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Zeta83 01-13-2021 06:42 PM

Most powerful computer that can use ATI AIW Radeon?
I have an All-In-Wonder Radeon that I want to use to capture Hi8 tapes (which I will be playing from a Hi8 camera).

I'm going to need an old computer to use the AIW.
What is the most powerful/modern computer I can use to run one of these?
I figure I might as well make sure the computer's processing and file transferring interfaces are as fast and modern as the AIW will allow, since it (mostly) doesn't cost that much to get old computer parts and I don't want to spend more time than necessary on processing, or on transferring files to other devices.

Names of specific computer models, or, types of CPUs and motherboards (etc.) that can be used would be helpful.

lordsmurf 01-13-2021 07:34 PM

If you use a certain rare PCI AIW, then you can use any PCI enabled board that has XP drivers. That gets you into 2014 or so, which is not too shabby in terms of available CPUs.

This OS is the issue, a modern XP is needed.

You'll have to slipstream in the correct drivers, and it can be a PITA. XP Integral edition (unofficial XP) supposedly has backports/drivers/etc for nifty features (more RAM, USB3, GPT, etc), but it's too barebones to be useful. They stupidly insisted the ISO be under 700mb, so it has sparse included drivers. DriverPacks seems impossible to download now, and I'm not having any luck with my latest install (yet). I'll fart around with nLite later, too busy for now.

The CPU allowed is 100% dependent on the motherboard, and you need those PCI slots. So that's your task: find the most recent board with both PCI and XP drivers.

pcourtney 01-14-2021 12:37 PM

you simply don't need a fast modern computer for SD capture - you just need to run Windows XP with 2 or 3GB of ram, and a motherboard that sports one of the latest Pentium 4 CPU's, you install the OS on the C:\ drive, you can use an Intel SSD drive (as I dom contrary to what others might advise) , but this bit is important, it must be an Intel Pentium CPU and an Intel SSD drive - later than G2

SSD's work a bit differently to HDD's, all SSD's need to be informed which files are no longer valid (deleted/obsolete) so those blocks can be made available again at a later date by being reset to the SSD's notion of empty/available.

The SSD TRIM command was created to pass that information to Windows 7 (which was the first OS to send TRIM commands to SSD's) , sadly Windows XP has not been updated to send TRIM commands - and never will !

However, the Intel SSD Toolbox was created to send TRIM commands to Intel SSD's and when that function is invoked from the Intel Toolbox application after a lot of VHS SD capture, or any intensive use of the C:\ drive, it resets all those blocks and the drive is back to 100% health again

lots of good info on MSFN below

NB you don't capture SD video to your C:\ drive, but to a dedicated 2TB SATA drive, that you can remove from the desktop computer and then insert it into a much faster computer and any OS you like to do the post processing of the video !

I capture a VHS tape to my Win XP Dell 8300 computer and whilst keeping an eye on it - I am on the other computer where I use Vegas Pro 17 Lifetime Editionm that runs really nicely on a very fast Windows 10 64 bit machine with 32GB ram (which is recommended for 4K - but you only need 8GB for VHS )

This works for me, but I have hundreds of tapes to capture, and when I'm done I will keep the fast machine and sell the Dell 8300 with my ATI X800 AGP8x All In Wonder card to the next person who wants to use it for capture !

BW37 01-15-2021 12:07 AM


Originally Posted by Zeta83 (Post 74312)
I have an All-In-Wonder Radeon

What model AIW Radeon do you have? They came in 3 different interfaces. PCI, AGP or PCIe. If it's an AGP interface card then certain PC's or motherboards will work. If it's a PCI or PCIe card, there more options including more modern ones which can include features like SATA2 which is a minor advantage.

But as pcourtney has said, capture alone can be done with a pretty modest computer. Raw CPU or GPU power isn't needed. The capture files are then moved to a more powerful PC for further processing, restoration, encoding, etc.


lordsmurf 01-15-2021 12:25 AM

SATA2 and dual-core Intel CPUs are a major advantage for AIW systems.
- The SATA allows more/longer captures, faster transfers off-system, and less likely to drop frames.
- The dual-core Intel allows 15-20mbit MPEG captures without dropped frames

I've not been a major proponent of single-core P4 IDE systems for years now. I won't even build such a lowly system anymore. I built my last P4/Athlon system about 11 years ago (and sold it about 6 years ago, built myself the better SATA system). My final Athlon AIW system literally melted itself, I woke up to a PSU, motherboard, and AIW that was scorched and gooey back in 2014. (I've never liked AMD CPUs, they run too hot, and the available motherboards are always crappier than Intel compatibles. But it was my only real choice at the time it was built.)

I'm all for "more power" ATI AIW systems (Tim Taylor?), as it can make the systems useful beyond capturing (authoring, encoding, restoring). Just know that not everybody wants or needs a capture box to do more than purely capture. My own beefier AIW systems are where I also restore audio, encode MPEG, author DVDs, and do some basic Avisynth -- but as overflow to my main video system (more, faster).

Zeta83 02-06-2021 09:00 AM

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My AIW is the AGP version.
The back of the box says "PCI or AGP", and I wasn't sure what to make of that, but I looked at the connectors and it does appear to be AGP.

BW37 02-06-2021 11:05 AM

For an AGP build, these might be useful threads:

Asrock made some of the more interesting boards if you can find one.

Good Luck


OtakuSensei 02-20-2021 11:50 AM

Just to throw it out there, "Asrock" was the low-end product line label of Asus. Not sure if they have continued that line or not as it was problematic towards the end of when we ceased carrying that brand of components at the PC shop I worked at years ago. I myself purchased a final model Intel Socket 478 Asrock motherboard, believe in either 2009 or 2010, and it was defective straight out of the box. That's not to say the entire Asrock product line was inherently defective products, but they did have a rather high percentage of DOA products, hence why the company I worked at ceased carrying said brand-label.

My own PC that I am still using presently at this very moment I built new in 2012; it is a dual boot setup with both Windows XP Pro SP and Windows 7 Pro 64-bit. For a brief time I had it tri-booting with Windows 8... but Windows 8 was the closest thing to literally being the HAL9000 I ever care to intentionally subject myself to so happily wiped that. Reason I bring this up is this motherboard is a Intel Socket 1155 motherboard made by Gigabyte, and I have it equipped with a Core-i7 and 16GB of DDR3 RAM... XP was never faster. :laugh:

So there are some really good, semi-modern (by present standards), motherboards out there which officially support Windows XP. Problem is, like with this specific mobo I have, is that they're nigh impossible to source and when they do turn up on the market now they tend to get bid up to around $300 as this is also a motherboard which has been "officially" certified for use as a Hackintosh... which I have yet to personally give a try since I'm not a Apple fan.

But I digress, I have side-tracked from the root question of this topic, so shall now go back to that.

Regarding the ability to build or source a good system to run a ATI All-In-Wonder card in. AGP, Literally standing for "Accelerated Graphics Port", which was the old dedicated graphics card interface port standard for a good decade, is likely the most common type of ATI AIW card your going to find. So like with my own PC, if I were keen to get a AIW card I would need a much rarer PCI version since this mobo has PCI-E for the graphics card port. You can get nice Intel Socket 775 mobos, some of which will support Core2Duo CPUs, and have the AGP interface slot. And as video capture itself is not a super intensive application, as has already been suggested, even a Pentium 4 CPU should be more than adequate for handling a recording operation. I would not suggest transcoding and editing with such a computer though, it's not that they can't do such, but it doesn't make sense to use such a computer for that purpose anymore. Rather, offload the recorded file to a much more modern PC for the post-record editing and transcoding processes as a modern PC is not only more efficient at these tasks, but you'll have better software options available for these tasks.

Also to note, Intel's Socket 775 CPU line included:
Celeron D (Actually more powerful than the preceding socket 478 Pentium 4 line.)
Pentium 4 (A step up from CeleronD.)
Pentium D (Intel's first attempt at a virtual dual-core CPU, a slight step up from a Pentium 4.)
Core2Duo (True dual-core CPU, a big step up from a Pentium D.)
Core2Quad (A dual-core CPU with each core featuring virtual dual-cores for a simulated quad-core experience. Honestly these suckers run hot and only benefited high-end gaming.)

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