Long term (archival type) storage?
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* Note: At the time of this writing, BuyGoldArchivalMedia.com does not exist.*Anyway, on to the truly archival media suggestions... You're best off buying one of the following discs for archival needs:
** Note: Taiyo Yuden branded media is not easily found, especially not in North America. The "That's" brand is found in the Pacific, such as Japan, and sometimes in Europe. Domestic USA/Canada brands such as Fuji and Sony no longer stock re-badged "made in Japan" TY DVD-R or YUDEN DVD+R discs.Old "Archival" Media:
DVD-RAM, DVD+RW, DVD-RW is not archival! Phase-change media breaks down much quicker than write-once dye-based media. Only use re-recordable/re-writeable media for temporary storage. Where to buy archival-grade media:
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With specific regard to TY surface "names"...
Could you possibly clarify between Taiyo Yuden's DVD-R product "names" for the 4 differing disc (top side) surfaces they sell media with:
Silver Inkjet Silver Thermal White Inkjet White Thermal Pricing varies by title...What are your suggestions for type usage, based on a specific application?? In advance, thank you! |
Hello. I'm new to the forum. I wonder if there is any way to tell WHICH Verbatim discs you might be ordering if the description from the seller is not very detailed. I understand that I would want discs that are "inkjet" or "branded" (though I don't know what "branded" means), but is there any way to tell if the site, Amazon for example, does not specify?
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"Branded" means just what the word says. The disc has the marketer's brand name plainly printed on the top side. Hope this helps you.
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Attachment 549 You can buy Mitsubishi-made Verbatim-branded media at the best prices from the following links:
Again, Verbatims can be made in Taiwan, Singapore, India, and the United Arab Emirates (UAE). One of the big myths in online forums right now is that one is better than the other. Independent testing, and information from Verbatim/Mitsubishi, has revealed those myths to be BS uttered by people with limited knowledge on the subject of recordable optical media. Be careful believing what you read from some sites (especially if it's just random/anonymous users in the forums). Media made at all locations should be considered excellent top-shelf quality discs, from a company known to produce reliable products. ***************************************** Please note that you DO NOT want the "Value Series" packaged media. These are CMC or RITEK discs, wholly inferior to Mitsubishi Verbatim. TigerDirect is shown selling them here: http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/...type=2&subid=0 DO NOT BUY THESE DISCS: Attachment 550 While available for probably a year now, they've been easier to find in recent months. Don't be tricked into buying these lower-grade discs. What's worse is they're often the SAME PRICE RANGE as the better MCC/MKM Mitsubishi discs. |
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Rather than retype everything, I've quoted this unattributed paragraph as found quoted on another site. Quote:
In terms of viewing time a DVD case is often looked at the most, several minutes of time for the shelf life of the disc, and is most appreciated. A case is the most important presentation piece, behind the content (menu, audio, video quality). A DVD menu is looked at next most, because it is actually an integrated piece of content. The disc artwork is generally ignored, or looked at only during those few fleeting seconds as the disc is removed from a case and put into the player. In my research on this topic, over a period of about 10 years, it became apparent that the ONLY people who appreciate disc artwork (in general) tend to be slobs that poorly care for discs, leaving them out of cases, laying all over the place. The only way they could ID a disc is by the artwork. And in some cases, even that would not help, if the artwork was too "artsy" and did not include any text. Rarely do I come across organized/responsible disc owners that cared about the "purty pikturs" on the discs. Most home users are so lacking in graphic art skills that they are better off just using neat handwriting on a disc, rather than some ghastly low-quality image. Most homemade printed discs use low-res web images, stretched and pixellated, before being printed to the disc. To say it looks like crap would be an understatement. Then there's the costs and hassles of inkjet equipment and the inks themselves. You're free to use the discs, however, and not worry about printing on the surfaces. Unlike the "shiny silver" discs, the thermal discs won't pick up fingerprints. Inkjet discs, however, may pick up latent ink from fingers -- for example, handling a newspaper before handling the discs, leaving dirty gray prints after handling. Hope that clears it up! :) |
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Although Verbatim is a subsidiary company Mitsubishi Chemicals Corporation --- part of the very large Mitsubishi Japan conglomerate, which makes everything from CD-R to cars --- you have to remember that Verbatim is still just a retail "brand name" and not a manufacturer. CMC and Ritek are also manufacturers, not retail brand names. Ritek uses "Ridata" and "Arita" as its brand names. CMC does not have a house brand that I'm aware of, they merely resell to other retail brands like Memorex and HP. Although Verbatim almost entirely uses media from its parent corporation (MCC and MKM media), it's been known to sell other manufacturers under their own name. They do so at their own peril, of course, when it's inferior media. In 2003, they took a deserved reputation hit for re-branding some very crappy first-generation CMC discs. That quickly ended, as there was a pretty big revolt in the media-buying community. For quite a few years in Europe, the "pearl top" Verbatim discs were actually re-branded Taiyo Yuden discs. That, of course, was not an issue since TY is a good disc. I would imagine the 2003 CMC fiasco taught them a lesson, and is why you see "Value Series" on this latest sub-grade product. Last time, they just snuck the discs under their existing labels, which felt like a big bait-and-switch to buyers (and thus caused the anger at the time). Verbatim appears to be buying Ritek and CMC, and re-branding it under their own name. Most consumers just buy whatever is on the rack. While I wish we could do that, it's not the same as buying a bottle of store-brand mustard or a generic version of Tylenol and getting "the same thing" --- all discs are not the same. The very basic idea of "Memorex bad, Verbatim good" -- the most complex thought many buyers of media have -- may soon be diluted if the Value Series discs hits a high market saturation AND the CMC/Ritek media performs to its mediocre/unimpressive historical expectations. Casual know-nothing buyers will no longer be sure that "Verbatim good" is true, and may start to experiment with other brands hoping to fine "_____ good" with another brand. Again, a cost-cutting measure is done at their own peril. I think their outsourcing of physical manufacturing to CMC, MBI, Prodisc and FTI is already a smart cost cut. Pushing for more will dilute the quality and their own reputation. "Not all media is good" is something we began to notice as mere media users in the early 90s with CD-R, and our research into media began at that early date, picking up DVD-R General in 2001 and DVD+R in 2002/2003. |
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Just to clarify, "know-nothing" was not meant as a kind of insult to anybody. It was used for lack of a better word during an after-hour posting. The nicer term is probably something more lengthy, like "consumers not aware of all the complex business and technical issues revolving around blank discs". Talk about word salad.
... but I think you knew all that. :) |
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