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01-26-2010, 03:15 PM
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I bought a professionally mastered music CD that I tried to rip to my hard drive with EAC. The music is a continual blended mix and (EAC is the only program I know that can rip it in it's original form) the end result was at 98kbs I knew something was not right. So I tried to adjust some settings and try again, this time EAC took so long, over 45 minutes which is very unusual so I had to cancel.

So I decided I better make a copy of the original before I totally damage it. I used Nero 9 and it would not make a copy, I tried the simulation and everything. I think EAC or my drive damaged it's an LG HL-DT-ST CDRW GCE-85278 I have a brand new drive as well, but I am scared to put the CD in my new drive in fear of damaging (the drive) it. I need a copy of this CD can anyone help? I still have the 98kbs copy but that is below standard. Thanks!
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There are varying types of copy protection available on CD media, both pressed CD and CD-R. They are not impossible to remove, but are a big nuisance.

LG drives are also not the best drives. The LG's can be very picky about reading or writing to discs. So I'd simply try another drive -- one not made by LG.

Nero stopped being a good burning tool during version 5 or 6. I wouldn't bother with it at this point in time. Look instead to the freeware ImgBurn for ripping a CD as an ISO, and then re-burning the ISO to a new CD. Also consider keeping a copy of the ISO on the hard drive, as an extra backup. Download it only from the official site at http://www.imgburn.com

If ImgBurn will not read the disc, then it may be copy protection. You'll need to use something better, and I suggest the low-cost (32EUR~$45USD) CloneCD from http://www.slysoft.com/en/clonecd.html?aid=51455

I'm also assuming this is not a burnt CD-R or CD-RW, but rather a pressed CD-ROM. If the disc is burned, then it may simply be a bad disc.

But again, my first course of action would be another drive. The LG you have is not reliable enough to blame software or media just yet.

EAC can't kill a drive. (But don't let it try to read a disc for longer than an hour.)

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There are varying types of copy protection available on CD media, both pressed CD and CD-R. They are not impossible to remove, but are a big nuisance.

LG drives are also not the best drives. The LG's can be very picky about reading or writing to discs. So I'd simply try another drive -- one not made by LG.

Nero stopped being a good burning tool during version 5 or 6. I wouldn't bother with it at this point in time. Look instead to the freeware ImgBurn for ripping a CD as an ISO, and then re-burning the ISO to a new CD. Also consider keeping a copy of the ISO on the hard drive, as an extra backup. Download it only from the official site at http://www.imgburn.com

If ImgBurn will not read the disc, then it may be copy protection. You'll need to use something better, and I suggest the low-cost (32EUR~$45USD) CloneCD from http://www.slysoft.com/en/clonecd.html?aid=51455

I'm also assuming this is not a burnt CD-R or CD-RW, but rather a pressed CD-ROM. If the disc is burned, then it may simply be a bad disc.

But again, my first course of action would be another drive. The LG you have is not reliable enough to blame software or media just yet.

EAC can't kill a drive. (But don't let it try to read a disc for longer than an hour.)
First thank you for responding, wow...well the CD is not copy protected cause like i stated i ripped it already but the kbs was poor. I am assuming that means it's not copy protected.

I also bought a new drive on Saturday and guess what it was an LG, I doubt i will return it though. Nero i just also recently bought paid full blown price for it US $69.99. Seems like i am buying all the wrong products.

I have IMG BURN but i always thought they were for DVD only, i will sort through the guides and try to rip it as an iso. If you know it off the top of your head please post here, thank you Admin so much!
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Yeah, it is unfortunate that companies with the biggest ad budgets are often able to sell products and services that are inferior to rival products. Ironically, many times rival products are lower cost. This time, the competing products are free!
Anyway...

I don't now what "continual blended mix" is supposed to mean. CD-Audio follows the red book standards.

If EAC did not give enough bitrate, then it may be a simple issue of properly setting up the program to use the bitrate you want. (If you were a Premium Member, I'd install EAC, plug up my external burner, and test with some audio CDs.)

If you're sure that the disc can be read fully, then give ImgBurn a try. ImgBurn works with CD now, yes, unlike its predecessor DVD Decrypter. However, the instructions for copying a CD (or DVD) are pretty much the same: http://www.digitalfaq.com/guides/vid...-decrypter.htm

When you start the current version of ImgBurn, it brings up that "ez picker" interface. Just select the option to read a disc to a file on your hard drive. It puts the program in read mode. Read the disc.

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After ripping the disc to an ISO (or BIN/CUE if you want), then save the file as a hard drive backup. Change ImgBurn to write mode to burn a new disc. Put in blank disc, select drive, select image file, burn new disc.

Remember to use top quality blank CD media! (It's more or less the same as DVD media. Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden CD-R are most suggested.)

I would return the LG and buy a better drive. Samsung, Sony/Optiarc, Pioneer and even LiteOn (or Pioneer/LiteOn) are better choices.



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Thanks again for responding "continual blended mix" is basically 14 tracks with no pauses inbetween them i hop that helps. I am using Verbatim -R's making numerous coasters in the process. I tried your method using ImgBurn to the letter and will post the log when i am done rambling, by the way the Disc can be read fully.

Its been almost 11 hours i have been on this, I gave in and tried Clone CD by Slysoft (trail version prepared to buy if works) cause i think this CD is copy protected. I have made 4 or 5 Verbatim -R coasters. I tried copying disc to disc on the fly, that did not work. Something got burned to my media but nothing can read it, not my computer or stand alone or anything else. I tried using Clone CD to create image to disk, it created four files a SUB file at 24 .4MB two IMAGE files one is 722MB to big for any CD, the other is 632 KB and a CCD 3.17KB. I tried ImgBurn and Nero and Clone CD with the cuesheet file CCD all coasters. I am going to try one more time to create to disk with EAC.

ImgBurn Log

I 02:05:16 ImgBurn Version 2.5.0.0 started!
I 02:05:16 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)
I 02:05:16 Total Physical Memory: 1,047,024 KB - Available: 603,056 KB
W 02:05:16 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.
W 02:05:16 AnyDVD can interfere with ImgBurn's ability to verify accurately, please ensure it's disabled!
I 02:05:16 Initialising SPTI...
I 02:05:16 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 02:05:16 Found 1 CD-RW and 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 02:39:08 Operation Started!
I 02:39:08 Building Image Tree...
E 02:39:15 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:00:07
I 02:42:20 Operation Started!
I 02:42:20 Source Device: [2:1:0] HL-DT-ST CD-RW GCE-8527B 1.04 (F (ATA)
I 02:42:20 Source Media Type: CD-R (Disc ID: 97m24s01f)
I 02:42:20 Source Media Sectors: 322,074
I 02:42:20 Source Media Size: 757,518,048 bytes
I 02:42:20 Source Media File System(s): None
I 02:42:20 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / 8x
I 02:42:20 Destination File: D:\My Documents\Lances's Folder D\Remember The Party Close Encounters Of The Disco Kind.bin
I 02:42:20 Destination Free Space: 29,934,747,648 Bytes (29,233,152 KB) (28,548 MB) (27 GB)
I 02:42:20 Destination File System: FAT32
I 02:42:20 File Splitting: Auto
I 02:44:22 Reading Session 1 of 1... (14 Tracks, LBA: 0 - 322073)
I 02:44:22 Reading Track 1 of 14... (AUDIO/2352, LBA: 0 - 9540)
W 02:44:27 Failed to Read Sector 0 - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:27 Retrying (1 of 20)...
W 02:44:29 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:29 Retrying (2 of 20)...
W 02:44:31 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:31 Retrying (3 of 20)...
W 02:44:33 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:33 Retrying (4 of 20)...
W 02:44:35 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:35 Retrying (5 of 20)...
W 02:44:37 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:37 Retrying (6 of 20)...
W 02:44:39 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:39 Retrying (7 of 20)...
W 02:44:41 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:41 Retrying (8 of 20)...
W 02:44:43 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:43 Retrying (9 of 20)...
W 02:44:45 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:45 Retrying (10 of 20)...
W 02:44:47 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:47 Retrying (11 of 20)...
W 02:44:49 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:49 Retrying (12 of 20)...
W 02:44:51 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:51 Retrying (13 of 20)...
W 02:44:53 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:53 Retrying (14 of 20)...
W 02:44:55 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:55 Retrying (15 of 20)...
W 02:44:57 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:44:57 Retrying (16 of 20)...
W 02:45:00 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:45:00 Retrying (17 of 20)...
W 02:45:02 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:45:02 Retrying (18 of 20)...
W 02:45:04 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:45:04 Retrying (19 of 20)...
W 02:45:06 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:45:06 Retrying (20 of 20)...
W 02:45:08 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:47:04 Retrying (21)...
W 02:47:06 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:00 Failed to Read Sector 0 - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:02 Failed to Read Sector 1 - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:02 Retrying (1 of 20)...
W 02:48:04 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:04 Retrying (2 of 20)...
W 02:48:06 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:06 Retrying (3 of 20)...
W 02:48:08 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:08 Retrying (4 of 20)...
W 02:48:10 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:10 Retrying (5 of 20)...
W 02:48:12 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:12 Retrying (6 of 20)...
W 02:48:14 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:14 Retrying (7 of 20)...
W 02:48:16 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:16 Retrying (8 of 20)...
W 02:48:18 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:18 Retrying (9 of 20)...
W 02:48:20 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:20 Retrying (10 of 20)...
W 02:48:22 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:22 Retrying (11 of 20)...
W 02:48:24 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:24 Retrying (12 of 20)...
W 02:48:26 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:26 Retrying (13 of 20)...
W 02:48:28 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:29 Retrying (14 of 20)...
W 02:48:30 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:31 Retrying (15 of 20)...
W 02:48:33 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:33 Retrying (16 of 20)...
W 02:48:35 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:35 Retrying (17 of 20)...
W 02:48:37 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:37 Retrying (18 of 20)...
W 02:48:39 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:39 Retrying (19 of 20)...
W 02:48:41 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
W 02:48:41 Retrying (20 of 20)...
W 02:48:43 Retry Failed - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
E 02:48:45 Failed to Read Sector 1 - Reason: Illegal Mode For This Track
E 02:48:46 Failed to Read Sectors!
E 02:48:46 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:06:25
E 02:48:46 Average Read Rate: N/A - Maximum Read Rate: N/A
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Use CloneCD to make the copy, including the burning of the copy.

There's always the chance the source disc is simply bad.

Copying on-the-fly would not be suggested here.

722MB is not too big for a CD-R. In certain data modes, a disc can hold 800MB or more.

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Use CloneCD to make the copy, including the burning of the copy.

There's always the chance the source disc is simply bad.

Copying on-the-fly would not be suggested here.

722MB is not too big for a CD-R. In certain data modes, a disc can hold 800MB or more.
I don't know, I thought a CD-R can only hold 700MB anyway Nero spit it out and would not let me burn it.

After several problems using AnyCD bottom line I got it working and you were right, the source CD was copy protected, plus has errors I am sure. See the CD I was trying to burn was part of a retail 8 CD Box Set. It appears to be damaged with errors, cause I am able to burn, and rip the other discs in the Box Set, but not that one. Now I have to examine further and find a good program to check, examine, and possible restore that particular CD if you know of one please let me know.

You have been very helpful, I posted my problem in about 6 forums that relate to this matter and you seemed to be the most knowledgeable out of the bunch. I will take your one on one support anytime, and will become a premium member later on today. Hopefully you will help me find something good to check that disk with Thanks a million!
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Nero is weak in some areas -- this is one of them. It's a good "everyday" tool for many people doing basic burning, but this is too specialized of a task, outside the realm of what it can do. DVD-Video is another one. Nero just hasn't really kept up with things in the past 5+ years now. Their focus is more on the extra non-burning crap (Nero Vision, for example) that they pack in with the Burning ROM portion.

I would still try CloneCD, doing a disc-to-disc copy, but with a temp hard drive file used, not an on-the-fly burn method.

Copy protection on CD can often be artificial errors on the media, so testing may or many not be accurate for you. Protection is not always just data manipulation, not anymore. It's not the same as CSS on DVD's, like most people are familiar with.

But nonetheless, you're welcome to try Nero DiscSpeed. For more info on what to test, and how, see http://www.digitalfaq.com/guides/media/dvd-tests.htm -- specifically tests #3 and #4 for this disc.

The download is at http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/show...ia-id-393.html

Just because a disc is retail pressed doesn't mean it can't be a bad press. I see quite a few of those every year.

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ImgBurn also has a "rip as WAV" type function, so you may be able to extract the audio that way, either in part or in whole.

About 6 months ago, I backed up every CD I owned to a 1TB backup drive. This was everything from music to Playstation 1 games to computer software setup discs. Literally, everything. There were some protected discs in there, and CloneCD ripped them to either bin/cue or ccd/something file combos.

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Great thanks, on the CD's that i did burn with "CloneDVD" sorry i called it "AnyCD" one or two of the tracks skipped or paused on the result product Verbatim CD-R were used. Shall i just try ImgBurn, why would the tarcks skip? Are you going to blame it on my burner again...lol? I will be upgrading this afernoon!
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Just want to mention that you can reply without needing to quote the last post.

Tracks can "skip" when audio tracks are not properly gapped. Many audio CDs improperly lack the short 1-2 second gap between tracks. Copies will often try to re-add the gaps, and the result is audio that gets cut off. It was a big problem back in the early 1990s, and tech was young. My first burning software was in DOS, and it could not copy a certain White Zombie album very well. I remember have to rip each audio track -- yes, in DOS -- and re-creating a new CD. The direct copy method gave me a crappy copy.

I don't know that I could blame the burner on this one.

Verbatim CD-R should be good. But let's double-check --- are these "made in Taiwan", perhaps? Made in China? (eww, yucky) Or somewhere else?

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Looks like Taiwan...I messed up again Manufacturer ID CMC Magnetics (97m26s66f) Second class media smh!

Well I am going to try to burn a couple more copies, as it stands now I am taking your advice and bringing back the burner this weekend. It's from Best Buy, will they give me a hard time, charge me a stocking fee?

I still want to know why that CD skipped will repost and let you know what happens with my next attempts.

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Well, you didn't mess up. At least you knew Verbatim was the correct brand -- but you've ended up with CMC media. If you've not had any problems with those discs -- and you've tested the CD-R in your drive, using the methods listed at http://www.digitalfaq.com/guides/media/dvd-tests.htm -- then you don't have to return them or throw them away. CD-R media is not quite as awful as DVD media, when it's not 1st class rated.

Those LG drives are generally not very helpful, but you don't necessarily need to return it if it's been acting fine for everything else. Best Buy won't charge any restocking fees, but they will generally only accept returns within 30 days, with original box/documentation, and everything still in like-new condition. Don't forget the receipt. A Pioneer, Samsung, Sony or LiteOn drive would be arguably better, especially when it comes to reading/ripping media. So yeah, return/exchange if it's an option.

I routinely use Verbatim and Philips CD-R. I don't even remember what the ID is on the last couple of packs. Not tested these recent one, used them for audio book conversions that I listened to in the car on winter road trips --- and not one disc skipped in my picky car CD player, nor do I recall more than 1-2 coasters (ejected bad burns @ burning stage). I wonder if mine are CMC. I believe the Philips are PHILIPS. (I'd look now, but the discs are in the car, and it's raining outside!)

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Interesting as decribed here http://www.digitalfaq.com/guides/media/dvd-tests.htm is a good DVD ROM hmmm.

So my CMC Verbatim made in Taiwan is second class I believe according to this site? So what is first class Verbatim then MKM003? It does not say this on the package so how do I know how to choose 1st class Verbatim and yes I read your Media Guide but I am still confused. Taiwan made id first class but CMC is sub par? Well mine is Taiwan and CMC so what does this mean...lol.

Tell me what do we think of this CD Check to inspect my bad disk? http://www.softwarepatch.com/software/cd-recovery.html
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Disc test results of the flawed CD from the box set as per http://www.digitalfaq.com/guides/media/dvd-tests.htm Test 3 and 4.

Serial Number;Drive;Firmware Version
;HL-DT-STDVDRAM GH22LS40 ;LL02

[03:11:15] Drive: HL-DT-STDVDRAM GH22LS40 LL02
[03:11:15] Disc: CD-R (audio), 71:34.24, 97m24s01f
[03:20:47] Starting transfer rate test
[03:23:16] Speed:18-40 X CAV (30.20 X average)
[03:23:16] Elapsed Time: 2:29
[03:23:16] Starting DAE quality test
[03:23:22] Total errors: 1 (0.000 %)
[03:23:22] DAE Quality: 9
[03:23:28] Accurate Stream: Yes
[03:23:28] Elapsed Time: 0:12
[03:23:28] Starting access times test
[03:23:49] Random Access: 186 ms
[03:24:10] 1/3 Access: 212 ms
[03:24:36] Full Access: 257 ms
[03:24:36] Elapsed Time: 1:08
[03:24:36] Starting CPU usage test
[03:24:51] CPU usage at 1X: 2 %
[03:25:06] CPU usage at 2X: 5 %
[03:25:24] CPU usage at 4X: 28 %
[03:25:49] CPU usage at 8X: -
[03:25:49] Elapsed Time: 1:13
[03:25:49] Starting burst rate test
[03:25:51] Interface burst rate: 14 MB/s (14458 KB/s)
[03:25:51] Elapsed Time: 0:02
[03:25:51] Starting spin-up/down test
[03:25:57] Spin-up time: 2.13 seconds
[03:26:10] Spin-down time: 3.33 seconds
[03:26:10] Elapsed Time: 0:19
[03:26:10] Starting load/eject test
[03:26:13] Eject time: 2.77 seconds
[03:26:14] Load time: 1.57 seconds
[03:26:24] Recognition time: 9.87 seconds
[03:26:24] Elapsed Time: 0:14


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A DVD-ROM is not the same as a DVD burner. ROM = read-only, meaning it cannot burn discs. An LG DVD-ROM is not the same as a LG DVD burner. LG DVD-ROMs haven't been made in quite a few years. Most companies quit making DVD-ROMs long ago, you only find burners these days.

I don't see any results on the graph test. It's flat-lined.

The scan disc does not show any bad sectors, so the disc is probably ok. You're most likely looking at copy protection here.

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Sorry i have been away quite a while. I encountered a mean virus, and after two weeks of fighting i gave up and reinstalled windows now my computer won't recognize my new LG burner.

I will find a place on this site to post my problem unless i should do it here?

You never answered my question...

"So my CMC Verbatim made in Taiwan is second class I believe according to this site? So what is first class Verbatim then MKM003? It does not say this on the package so how do I know how to choose 1st class Verbatim and yes I read your Media Guide but I am still confused." I still would like to know.

As far as that problem dics i replaced it with a new one have not tried to burn it yet, to many other PC issues. Thanks!
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The media ID is not written on the package, no. Look for Verbatim media that are made in Taiwan, Singapore, United Arab Emirates (UAE), or India. Look for either "DataLife" or "AZO" logos to be on the package. You don't want Value Series discs.

CMC is second class media, unreliable, best used for duplication only (something that is easily replaced -- not a master disc or archival disc).

The LG burner install / computer crashed issue is a new topic, yes, computer forum: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/foru...puters-31.html

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But Admin, i did that "Look for Verbatim media that are made in Taiwan" and i ended up with CMC, what did i do wrong? I want 1st class media.

You will be happy to hear that i turned in the LG hence your advise, i now have a Pioneer, the problem was i had to set the jumpers on the back of the drive. I did not post in the thread you provided.

One more question, no driver or firmware disk was provided, i am told not to try and update anything to leave it alone it's fine, what do you say?
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It can't have DataLife or AZO logo and be CMC.
You're sure it's not MCC (Mitsubishi) and you just read it wrong? CMC and MCC are different.

The Pioneer was an upgrade for you. Those LG drives are more problematic than they're worth.

DVD burners don't need drivers, and it comes with firmware pre-installed on the drive chipset. There's nothing to add/install.

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I copied and pasted it from what i scanned it with Nero ID or something, Manufacturer ID CMC Magnetics (97m26s66f) it was a verbatim disk with "made in Taiwan" on back of packaging, i am pretty sure.
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I have no programs right now on this machine so i have to re-install everything. I will check again when i have a chance.

Thanks for the firmware tip!
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