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03-17-2011, 12:53 AM
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In a related post about "Which external hard drives for a Mac?", the topic shifted to the merits of solid states drives, and how they compare to hard drives.
Or SSD vs HDD.

While running a Google check on the topic, I came across a review that had some very misleading comments. Specifically, this comment:
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if you're downloading video and using multiple applications at the same time, an SSD will give you a very noticeable performance boost
To copy/paste my text from the other thread:

When you're using "multiple applications", some of them tend to be idle in RAM. For example, I have Outlook open, and it's doing nothing, minimized. There's several system tray programs running in RAM, but I/O performance is zero or near-zero. If you were running several programs at once, and both of them needed heavy-handed I/O, then by all likelihood both tasks would be fighting over RAM space and CPU time. So again, the bottleneck ends up NOT being the drive!

Unless you're Sally the soccer mom, your computer generally has more than one hard drive -- especially those cheap USB2 externals. So when you're downloading files to drive D, drive C is not affected by I/O. And if drive D is an external USB drive, you're pulling at the CPU because USB drives all run through CPU cycles. Firewire and eSATA, of course, do not access via CPU.

Quotes like that are misleading at best, lies at worst.

But that's not all!

When you look at the flimsy "review" comparing the two technologies, pay close attention to the fact that the person didn't actually use the computers -- he crammed the hardware through benchmark tests, which are well-known in the IT community to be misleading and commonly do not represent real-world usage.

Benchmarking software is largely written by, and for the benefit of, manufacturers of hardware. Bias? Of course -- they're looking to hawk their new wares. And if you don't know any better, those benchmarks always look impressive, and almost always show something new to be so much better than what you already have. Please don't buy into that fallacy. It's hogwash.

Final note: As per our guidelines here at The Digital FAQ, we don't link to myths/crap. But for the curious, this was the SSD vs HDD review:
Review: Hard disk vs. solid-state drive -- is an SSD worth the money? (June 2009)
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http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9134468/Review_Hard_disk_vs._solid_state_drive_is_an_SSD_worth_the_money
I felt the need to address SSD.

While it's definitely a good tech, and will long-term replace magnetic spinning drives, it's for more "green" reasons -- lower power, less heat, quieter, lighter weight, etc. If they can overcome the limited-writes issues, it will be an improvement the lifespans of storage, too, as hard drives mostly die from mechanical failures (and SSD has no mechanical moving parts). And finally, prices must fall to encourage adoption.

Don't get caught up in the idea that it's faster or will make your computer run better. Those are misdirects.

Note: Some actual benefits of SSD drives are listed in that other thread: Which external drive for mac ?
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The main concern between SSD and HDD really is the price. If you do not have an idea, a 500gb on hdd will be equivalent to 60gb on solid state. Though 60gb will be ample for your OS, would you go for having 2 storage devices on your computer if such is permitted? They say that operating systems would be faster on solid state compared to any upgrades on the CPU. Though this would be an exaggeration, you will really notice the difference.
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They say that operating systems would be faster on solid state compared to any upgrades on the CPU. Though this would be an exaggeration, you will really notice the difference.
I don't have any disagreement with this basic statement.

However, as was pointed out in the first post, at what point does this matter? Sure, the system will boot faster and open up software quicker ... but at what point is that an important issue? Most work is done after the computer is started, and the programs are open. For playing/encoding a video, editing music or editing photos, the overhead is in the CPU, GPU and RAM -- not the storage space.

I've always been amused by the notion that a computer is "better" because Windows starts in 25 seconds instead of 45 seconds. Or that files will copy 75 second faster. Or something to that effect. You see this recurring theme with new hard drives, and even new versions of the OS.

Is the cost/size sacrifice really worth 20 or 75 seconds? (Or whatever the figure is.)
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Computer boot up time is even more irrelevant when you've already got features like standby which can resume the computer from an extremely low power state to an operational state in less than 5 seconds. S3 Standby uses very nearly the same amount of power as the computer in S5 mode (mechanical off, but plugged in). If you want your computer to come on quicker, then just put it into standby and resume from standby when you want to use it.
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Very good point!

I don't actually have "Standby" on my Windows 7 system. It's been renamed "Sleep" from what I can see. I use that regularly during the work week, only fully turning off computers when the week is over, or projects are not scheduled for those machines. Some Windows XP systems also have Hibernate, though I'm not sure if it's any faster than a cold boot; it's not something I use often.
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When you're using "multiple applications", some of them tend to be idle in RAM. For example, I have Outlook open, and it's doing nothing, minimized. There's several system tray programs running in RAM, but I/O performance is zero or near-zero. If you were running several programs at once, and both of them needed heavy-handed I/O, then by all likelihood both tasks would be fighting over RAM space and CPU time. So again, the bottleneck ends up NOT being the drive!
Unless you're Sally the soccer mom, your computer generally has more than one hard drive -- especially those cheap USB2 externals. So when you're downloading files to drive D, drive C is not affected by I/O. And if drive D is an external USB drive, you're pulling at the CPU because USB drives all run through CPU cycles. Firewire and eSATA, of course, do not access via CPU.
Are you saying the above is false?
No, not false. That is accurate.


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