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For starters, Avisynth is completely optional, and post-capture. So it has no place in a capture conversation. The broadcast comments was equally ridiculous, that's not what NJRoadfan stated at all. A bare minimum kit is something like this - good VCR, JVC S-VHS non-TBC (~$200) - Panasonic ES10/15 for TBC(ish) passthrough (~$125) - good capture card (~$150) ... and NOT something random or "new" from Amazon/eBay/etc If you can find those pieces for less, great. But that's fair market price, and you should question condition when it is found cheaper. Minimum. Not necessarily recommended. But a hell of a lot better than - thrift store VCRs (or your old VCR from the 80s/90s dug out of the closet/basement/attic), - no TBC of any kind - cheap Chinese capture cards (Easycaps aka Easycraps) or the wrong cards (fancy HDMI card like Blackmagic) You can make that minimum workflow better, by fortifying it with a JVC/Panasonic with-TBC VCR (~$900), and the DataVideo DVK (~$500), if you're still averse to spending over $2k. I'm getting tired of replying to these sorts of threads, where nonsense retorts are being given. Read what's written. Yes, this is suggested, about $3k, will make your project go smoothly - JVC/Panasonic S-VHS VCR with line TBC - DataVideo/Cypress-type frame TBC - quality capture cards (or even quality LSI based DVD recorder) If you value your time, and your sanity, you'll strongly consider this "easy button" workflow. That means I'd argue the "enthusiast" capturers are actually the ones who enjoy screwing around with hardware and software, in the attempt to get below-budget (cheap!) options to cooperate (maybe, sorta-kinda). You accuse others of spending excess money, but in actuality many folks spending excess time on something that can process much easier and faster with the proper hardware in place. Time is more valuable and finite than money. Quote:
As an example, I know you (Hushpower) have a DVK, better capture cards, various quality VCRs. So why are arguing here? You've spend around $1k, so WTF? Where did "are you seriously suggesting I spend over a thousand dollars" come from? Are you just arguing for sport? Quote:
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But the reality is the less you spend, the more problems, and the more work you bring onto yourself. A $1k+ basic workflow (more like $3k these days, and again basic) will simply work 99% of the time. When you start cutting corners, it will save costs, but each cut increases the potential problem/time element. Quote:
Good gear holds value, has buyers for it. Crap gear won't resell, your market for it is fellow cheapskates. Quote:
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And your lower-quality standards now make more sense, because you're not seeing the video with anything other than a small preview. When you actually sit to watch the video, on a larger screen, as almost everybody will these days (also why so many projects are now redone), it will look bad if converted with bad/cheap methods. Every flaw is magnified. The worst two errors are no-TBC wiggles/movements, and chroma noise that looks like red/blue amoeba invaded your TV screen. Fix that pair of errors, keep audio in sync, and avoid blown highlights/darks, and you're fine. But getting there will require some basic tools, namely line+frame TBC. Quote:
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I think again, this proves what many are trying to point out to a few on here... No wonder this place is so quiet. If you think the majority of people are sharing captured family videos on huge screens, that goes very much against what I've found... Sounds a bit "boomerish" if you'll forgive the parlance.
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I have been away from this thread for a little while as I expected the email notifications to keep updating me with new replies – apparently you only get a notification for the first reply. In case it's of value, and because I did agree with some of your points more than others, let me give some of my perspective as I read through these posts for a second time. Quote:
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I don't have to be "perfect" (i.e. I don't think I'm going to invest in a Windows XP machine – and will make due with the USB capture card I have unless if something goes wrong). If I get 90+% of the way there I am ecstatic, and somehow I trust I'll be even better than that. Quote:
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Next steps for me: 1. Clear a workspace. 2. Gather up all my equipment. 3. Boot up the Windows 7 computer and see what I get. 4. Start browsing the forum for basic guides on getting started. 5. Start another thread where I document my progress. |
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My videos are "good enough". :D Added: Having now read back through the thread, my quip about the "thousands" was directed specifically at Roadfan's implication that you get really good gear just in case some random picks up your video off YT. :congrats: |
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If a video fault only requires a still to demonstrate it then only a still is necessary. If it needs a motion image then a motion image it should be. But the equipment used shouldnt be identified until after people have cast their votes and expressed their judgements. Results, as opposed to claims, are all that matter IMO. |
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While I'm tempted to mail you some cookies, here the next best thing... I've had no success at "from scratch" cookies, and find that most recipes are equally lousy (so I long ago quit trying to follow them). But I can "doctor up" quite well. Buy a "Betty Crocker Oatmeal Chocolate Chip Cookie Mix". I get mine here (Target). That's the base you start from. The directions call for butter OR oil, and eggs. For my recipe, add butter AND oil, and TWO eggs. Now the mix is watery. Add 1 heaping scoop of flour (~1+ cup), should no longer be watery. Add two hands full (~2 cups) of walnuts OR pecans (I normally like pecans most, but these cookies taste better with walnuts). You can chop (make more stuff dirty), or just break them apart with your fingers (my choice). Add another cup of chocolate chips, dark chocolate best. Add two normal packages of Reese's Pieces (or M&Ms, but the peanut butter is better, and you already have chocolate chips). Mentioned if allergic to peanuts. Add handful (~2 cups) of craisins (best), or raisins. Add cup of chopped dates -- pre-soak (but not swimming!) on a plate for 10 min before using. OPTIONAL: Add tablespoon sugar, if you want them overly sweet (I don't). Plain ol' sugar OPTIONAL: Add several shakes of cinnamon (half tsp?) OR granulated maple syrup At least once, I removed the chocolate chips and Reese's, added blue food coloring (which turned green, "Smurfs are green, adjust your TV!" :laugh:), and called them "Smurfberry cookies". But as fun as that was, by removing the chocolate chips, they turned into rock cookies. So still trying another Smurfberry cookies recipe. The batter will stir up like gravel, but will rise into big fat yummy cookies. I never use the oven over 350 (F) for cookies, and it always takes about 10 minutes longer than the package claims. Bake yourself a pile prior to starting your new capture project. :D Quote:
2. 3. Thankfully, Win7 has enough info online that most issues are easy to solve, even more than WinXP. And all the Win7 official ISOs are on Archive.org if you need one. I did, twice, earlier this year. I had a key (sticker on system), but no disc. 4. 5. Good idea. 6. Bake cookies. :wink2: Quote:
The reason it cost you under $1k is you got a really unusually good deal on that DVK, which more often has a $500+ price point. As I recall, there was also some % of gamble on your part, which is why it was sent here for me to inspect, and then proxy ship. Kudos to you for the good buy, but it's somewhat misleading when discussing pricing. Jury's still out on the GV-USB2. Maybe, maybe not. Probably at least decent. I think your setup is decent, a budget workflow. :congrats: Yes, bad gear on eBay is a huge problem these days. What's worse is that "for parts" junk is now commanding huge prices, both on eBay and off, so it's not even economically possible to refurb some items anymore. For example, it often takes at least two decks to make one good ones. Even places like Goodwill are now pegging pricing to eBay (video gear, action figures, books, comics, etc), and outright sell on eBay as well. Quote:
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Thank you for the cookies recipe and suggestion! :laugh:
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