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I知 brand new to the forum but happy to be here. I have been a videographer, video editor, and filmmaker for some years now. But I am looking to create a digital transfer company in my local area. I have now seen how much it costs for this professional equipment that is needed. I just wanted to get some advice from other people on the forum about starting a business. Can you actually make good money doing a digital transfer business? Is it worth it? Or is it a flooded market? Thank you for any input that you may have.
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When you have a business, you must understand that you'll get a wide array of videos, with all sorts of signal and physical conditions. So what you may know from your own personal experiences does not translate too well. The way to prepare for it is through quality equipment. Not budget gear, not low-end consumer gear (DVD recorders), but pro and hobby/prosumer gear. Noting that pro gear can get "too pro", as you are dealing with consumer formats here. The must be a balance.

Follow advice. Not random advice, not Youtube advice. But the advice of people who have done this for many years, decades. People who are respected, vetted. (Yes, I'd consider myself on such a list, but there are others. I have colleagues, peers, and do respect some of them very much. Some participate in the forum, some not. We have some friendly disagreements at times, on how to arrive at an outcome. But we generally agree on aspects such as actual TBCs, pre-Win10 systems, etc.)

Realize that PAL and NTSC experiences vary more than NTSC to NTSC, PAL to PAL. Some stark differences in some methods, mostly do to hardware.

Can you make "good" money at this? Define good. Better than flipping burgers, yes. Rival a hedge fund manager, probably not. If you're actually a videographer, then you should know how rates go already. Don't think wedding videographer, think documentarian indy filmmaker. You're going to need some passion for this, not think of it as something to fatten the piggy bank.

It's not a flooded market. The 2008-09 recession took out a lot of those clods, and 2020 knocked out some more. But the main reason is due to it being a shrinking field, no longer needed. This a 2000s into 2010s task, and it's now the 2020s. There will be more consolidation as time passes, as work dries up. If you do this, you'll need to understand you're on a clock. Don't expect to convert videos into retirement, unless you're already close to it. As we approach the 2030s, I may even need to find a new line of work. But for now, for some years, sure. However, even large slop shops like LegacyBox are obviously getting desperate for business, as they run TV and radio ads (especially on CNBC) ad nauseam. (Then again, their reputation sucks, so that probably has something to do with it. Lesson = don't suck, don't cheap out on gear, don't lose and damage customer videos.)

Don't buy gear on eBay. That rarely ends well. Some years ago, it became a video dumping ground (broken junk more than not, even the "tested" and "working" nonsense), not a good marketplace for these items we need..

Slides are not video. If you don't have a way to automate that, you'll make peanuts. Flipping burgers at $15/hour will seem appealing.

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Thank you for the good advice. I had a feeling it may be a market that is fading due to time passing and technology and all that stuff. what I meant by slides is slide transfer photo scanning things of that nature as well.

I used to work for TV stations back in the 1990s. I remember working on three-quarter inch tapes editing and splicing reel to reel for radio stations. So I definitely have a passion for this. I知 just not sure if I知 in a market to be able to run a successful business. I知 about two hours north of Seattle.

I never buy on eBay anyway. Actually I was looking at some of the equipment that you have for sale. If I decide to move forward I will definitely contact you. Thanks again for the advice much appreciated.
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For slides, I know what you meant. Realize the average person puts their big fat greasy fingers on the slide. They did this all the time. You have to clean it. Not just because it looks better, but because it will keep your scanner clean. Slide scanning is really the domain of large players like Scan Cafe. You'd be competing with that, drum scanners, at cents per scan. Unlike video, it's much harder to screw up slide/photo scanning, even if you have only moderate photography knowledge.

DC or state? If state, Seattle MSA?

Either way, probably a market to mine local. If you were around in the 90s, and have some video passion, then ride it out with the rest of us.

(It's the young'un crowd "me wants to make easy money" [as I have a Google and Youtube degree!] that needs some reality check on the status quo. If you're that young, find another career path in video, that has a longer time horizon. Concentrate on tomorrow's formats, not yesterday's. Noting you do need to know yesterday's, just maybe not try to make a living at it. Do your videos, your family's, maybe even friends. But then call it a day. Keep the gear, or resell the gear. But do get good gear, and understand video history from the consumer analog era.)

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I知 about two hours north of Seattle. Kind of out in the boonies. Close enough to Bellingham. Well I知 48 years old, with a really bad back. I used to do some wedding DJ and wedding videography but I知 completely out of the game due to recent back surgeries. So I thought this type of business may fit me well. No heavy lifting for the most part. And I love the idea of saving memories for people. In fact I have two large bins of VHS tapes myself that I still need to convert. I was a kid that always had a VHS camera on my shoulder.
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I speak for the area I live in and some facts may apply nationwide. It really takes a lot to gain people's business nowadays mainly because of the mass listings on social media, local online ads and online shopping websites for converting old media to digital, If you haven't started a decade ago the quickest way is to do radio advertising targeting middle aged and elderly folks and that could cost some serious thousands of dollars. Relying on local ads, social media and customer to customer referral could take years.

The sad part about all this, the quality of the transfer doesn't really matter, Yes quality will make customers happy but does not necessarily bring a lot of them and it costs you a lot of time and money to do a quality transfer. It's all about how you word it not how you make it, If in doubt learn about Legacy Box.

Having said all that, you can still try it if it's your passion and want to do a quality service, you don't have to worry about money, it will eventually come later as you grow over the years. Start with ads on the cheap, eBay, Facebook, whatever local online ads in your area, put a sign on your car with an easy to read website, design an official logo, people remember a business easily from a logo, I could go on but these business tips are available everywhere online.

Good luck.

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At the company I used to work at, before covid and other things caused downsizing and eventual closing down, we used one of these for doing slides. These things are quite automated, so you can simply put in a full magazine and it will move through it and scan everything. (They do not work with old glass slides though.) That is of course more the budget option, the ultimate thing are drum-type scanners like this, which are of course quite costly.

For optimal results, cleaning also has a notable impact as others have noted. I don't know a good way to automate that though.

I can't speak for the US, but her in northern Europe at least it seems work for transfer businesses seem to be on a downward trend, ultimately there is a limited number of tapes and film out there. There seems to also be a fair bit of easy-to-use devices sold now for people to digitize stuff, both for videotape and film. Even though the quality of those are not always the best, it might be "good enough" for a lot of people rather than paying a transfer company.

If starting something, it might be most feasible to focus on the local marked, provided there isn't an existing company in the area already. From my experience here at least, many people often felt more safe to personally deliver their stuff to a local business than mailing it off it even if it happens to cost a tad more, and advertising in local papers and such seemed to have a better effect than google/internet ads.

As for where I worked though, we hardly really made any profit, and it was in part a side thing for the guy I worked for that he did to have something extra to do and hardly made any profit so yeah.

Another avenue I've pondered about is renting out digitizing equipment like VCRs for people do digitize themselves. I've seen some people advertise that here.

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At the company I used to work at, before covid and other things caused downsizing and eventual closing down, we used one of these for doing slides. These things are quite automated, so you can simply put in a full magazine and it will move through it and scan everything. (They do not work with old glass slides though.) That is of course more the budget option, the ultimate thing are drum-type scanners like this, which are of course quite costly.

For optimal results, cleaning also has a notable impact as others have noted. I don't know a good way to automate that though.

I can't speak for the US, but her in northern Europe at least it seems work for transfer businesses seem to be on a downward trend, ultimately there is a limited number of tapes and film out there. There seems to also be a fair bit of easy-to-use devices sold now for people to digitize stuff, both for videotape and film. Even though the quality of those are not always the best, it might be "good enough" for a lot of people rather than paying a transfer company.

If starting something, it might be most feasible to focus on the local marked, provided there isn't an existing company in the area already. From my experience here at least, many people often felt more safe to personally deliver their stuff to a local business than mailing it off it even if it happens to cost a tad more, and advertising in local papers and such seemed to have a better effect than google/internet ads.

As for where I worked though, we hardly really made any profit, and it was in part a side thing for the guy I worked for that he did to have something extra to do and hardly made any profit so yeah.

Another avenue I've pondered about is renting out digitizing equipment like VCRs for people do digitize themselves. I've seen some people advertise that here.
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This is 'done' for us as discussed elsewhere, we'll be out of this before the end of the summer.
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I知 about two hours north of Seattle. Kind of out in the boonies. Close enough to Bellingham. Well I知 48 years old, with a really bad back. I used to do some wedding DJ and wedding videography but I知 completely out of the game due to recent back surgeries. So I thought this type of business may fit me well. No heavy lifting for the most part. And I love the idea of saving memories for people. In fact I have two large bins of VHS tapes myself that I still need to convert. I was a kid that always had a VHS camera on my shoulder.
You're in a gorgeous area, and not really what I'd consider "boonies". There's some population there. I think people north of Seattle would rather drive more north, rather than into the city, when given the option for business needs. At least that's how it's always been anywhere I lived.

Yep, no real lifting (aside from getting VCR in place), some sitting time.

If you take the view of getting the gear to do your own videos, then dip your toe into a business aspect using your existing contacts and network (past customers, business peers, friends, family, etc), I think you'll be fine. Perhaps this is what you need to get you through a recovery time. I know back issues can take years, weeks/months is total BS. So video may be an ideal situation for you, given your video background.

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It really takes a lot to gain people's business nowadays mainly because of the mass listings on social media, local online ads and online shopping websites for converting old media to digital,
Most of that is just noise, not competition of any kind. Those venues are hard to gain trust because the venues are inherently not at all trustworthy. Something like Craigslist or Facebook is about as reliable as the bum in front of Walmart begging for $1 for food smokes.

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The sad part about all this, the quality of the transfer doesn't really matter, Yes quality will make customers happy but does not necessarily bring a lot of them and it costs you a lot of time and money to do a quality transfer.
I just don't agree with that. For the lowest common denominator -- the people who don't value you, your work, the skills requires, etc -- and also the people that gripe about spending a pittance -- then sure, agree. But you can choose not to target that demographic. There's really nothing special about video capture vs. anything else here. There are surely people out there who think their sister will get "great photos" of their wedding using her smart phone. You can often educate those people into not making a mistake, but sometimes you simply have to let Darwinism play itself out.

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As for where I worked though, we hardly really made any profit, and it was in part a side thing for the guy I worked for that he did to have something extra to do and hardly made any profit so yeah.
I remember you telling me that. I think it was a "him" thing, not really a "the scene" thing. Trying to run a business is about you, not just what you're doing. Everything from sole proprietors to publicly traded corporations. A common discussion on Wall Street is about who the CEO is, who's on the board, etc -- sometimes not at all discussing the product, or what the company does.

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This is 'done' for us as discussed elsewhere, we'll be out of this before the end of the summer.
I missed that discussion. What's next for you? I do see you mentioned filmmaking.

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Colin did a nice video about this subject:
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Colin did a nice video about this subject:
https://youtu.be/lb5MqLtze7o
I had to take some time to watch that, good topic. And he made a good video.

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Good video. I don't normally watch much of your channel, mostly due to lack of free time.

Part of this goes to the current economic macro. Inflation tends to depress goods, but give some rise to services. Those have an inverse effect, in general. Travel will be the biggest beneficiary this year. Europe was rattled a bit, but the overall macro is re-stabilizing right now, business recovering the months since Ukraine started.

Going back to COVID, 2020-2021, a lot of video business was pulled forward by years, along with other industries, and even video services like Netflix. So a dip was expected, and will likely continue for the foreseeable future. The only reason we're seeing some steady (but lower volume) inflow of services is due to the inflationary macro. The real worry will be when inflation retreats, and we're still in the COVID pull-forward. I'd highly suggest you create your own rainy day fund, to weather those leaner times. Or quit, do something else.

This is a declining field. And at this late date, there are more challenges with the aging videos, which makes quality hardware all the more important. This isn't a "make easy money" type of task.

Consumer analog formats have been largely picked over at this point, for better or worse. For most of the 2010s, my work was mostly redoing other folks (or other businesses, yikes!) botched projects from the 2000s. Lots of wiggly (no line TBC used) blocky compressed (DVD recorder, or NTSC DV) videos were looking pretty awful on our modern huge HDTVs.

Professional analog formats, or organizations holding consumer formats, is really where analog is at right now. Lots of reasons, mostly slow to act, office politics, the usual. Same for the various film stocks. That will slow drip for years, but it's not enough to hold up an industry.

The question about reselling gear is the wrong question. We've seen a lot of gear fail in the past 10 years, and it will only get worse in the next 10. The real question is what gear will survive, and still be in excellent functional shape? As you discuss, but my point is it makes a far-future resell question moot. Some folks may go out of business simply due to gear costs and lack of available gear, so not much to resell.

There's nothing special about M-DISC. It's all marketing. Taiyo Yuden is still better. Anyway, you've stated what I've said for years: discs may last, players and drives will not. Laser components have a finite lifespan, well under 10 years. Discs may last decades, but what good is a disc with nothing to read it?

Be careful with mold. It can be toxic (deadly! fatal!), and different mold lives in different places. I often tell the story of how I bought an item from across the country, which had a fan. It apparently had a unique mold I'd never come into contact with. When I powered it on, it puffed spores out the back, and I immediately went into anaphylaxis. I could not breath well, and had to be rushed to a medical facility. I don't do mold tapes, for that reason. (So shall I send those EU/UK projects to you? LOL! I will, seriously.)

People on eBay aren't competitors, just noise.

vhs-decode has potential, but it may never reach fruition. It doesn't remove the need for TBC, but merely process timing correction differently. And thus far, not as good as traditional TBCs, and maybe never.

In the real world, you and I would get along swimmingly. Take care.

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I had to take some time to watch that, good topic. And he made a good video.

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We were one of the respondents to Colin's poll.

I'm not going into our particular responses but reading opinions has been interesting.
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We were one of the respondents to Colin's poll.
I'm not going into our particular responses but reading opinions has been interesting.
Definitely interesting.

For example, I think the geopolitics affecting UK, on multiple fronts, has been overblown to an extent, in regards to how it affects the industry. Reason being that USA and Canada are largely following the same trend, and things like Brexit are not a concern, and Ukraine has mostly only affected oil prices here. So Brexit/etc is a McGuffing, a scapegoat, and probably nothing more. Blaming Brexit actually took me by surprise. It still gets blamed for all that ails you?

I think most of us are in agreement on trajectories.

But there is opportunity, just not as easy or sloppy as some novices think. Though somewhat understated, it was an underlying theme of the video. As an analogy, it would be like starting a new combustion engine (ICE) car company, right now. If the product is good, you can make a short-term go of it. But it has an expiration date, probably within 10 years.

To bring it back to our OP here, it may be a perfect opportunity for him. For him, Not everybody. It's a very case-by-case entry at this point. He already has experience, health limitations, local non-saturated market. Those factors can be difficult to replicate.

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Definitely interesting.
Blaming Brexit actually took me by surprise. It still gets blamed for all that ails you?
Yes. Well, kinda.

I'm a staunch Brexiteer in full disclosure.

I don't know how it was reported internationally, but it certainly caused a great deal of division here, so much so that there are still daily arguments about it up and down the country. It's a useful scapegoat for many an ill, really the impacts in day-to-day living for most (in GB at least) aren't especially tangible either way, in my experience. For Northern Ireland things are a lot more complicated I fully concede, that is a horror show how that's been handled in my opinion.

I'm very reasonable when it comes to politics though, that is the glory of democracy, many have perfectly legitimate reasons for wishing to stay - that's why we were fortunate enough to have a vote on the matter. We had a democratic vote on the matter, more people wanted to leave, that's it really.

But daily, it's still rumbling on. When your previous president tore up NAFTA and did some rather bigly negotiations that was a masterclass in what probably would have kept the question at bay and satisfied to a reasonable extent all sides. We were not blessed with 'The Donald' though, we had David 'call me Dave' Cameron.

Unfortunately, an especially weak Prime Minister decided to come back to the British people with such a derisory offer it in principal triggered the vote. "Pretty thin gruel" as one of our more charismatic MPs remarked when his own leader returned with the initial negotiated offer.

Without wandering in to a discussion on British politics, that was the same MP who used the word floccinaucinihilipilification during a routine House of Commons address. He's a bit of a character, love him or loathe him, there's plenty on both sides of that one too.

But yes, Brexit is useful scapegoat.

I keep a keen eye on US (and to an extent Canadian) politics, but nothing does bizarre ceremony, government chaos or quite such a unique bunch of characters as the British House of Commons. If the US adopted PMQs it would be more interesting, watching Joe Biden take hostile questions once a week in front of the House of Representatives would be amusing....

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I don't want to turn the thread political, so proceeding carefully...

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I'm a staunch Brexiteer in full disclosure.
I don't know how it was reported internationally,
It was essentially reported as this:
- Brits were having their own populist movement, anti-EU, anti-immigrant.
- Most curiously, Steve Bannon, Trump's (then) right hand man, a U.S. citizen, was involved in whipping up support for Brexit, in ties with CA (see below).
- Same for Cambridge Analytica, which stole data from Facebook to that end (and influencing US elections, too). CA had deep links to other countries in Africa, the Middle East, and Russia. The main goal of CA seems to have been to sow chaos and distrust in UK and U.S. politics, and they succeeded.
- Post-Brexit, post-CA, even post-Trump/Bannon, it's largely believed that Brexit was a solution looking for a problem, and isn't actually something most Brits want. But because it's been politicized, polarized (like in the US, aka the goal of the foreigners all along), it still exists.

That's Brexit in a nutshell, as I understand it, as most here understand it. Brexit doesn't get the right-wing fake/Fox treatment there, so it's either understood as what I wrote, or not understood/discussed/known at all.

We in North America (Canada, USA, Mexico) look at you as if you're insane for Brexit, the same way you view us for Trump. But ironically, both were deeply connected, in a larger macro of foreign political interference. It's ugly stuff.

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Our Congress is just a-holes. You folks in UK have a zoo. It's like watching monkeys fling poo at times. Honestly, I'd rather see that here as well, and drop the charade of decorum. In this country, right now, referring to our congressmen (not the general population), we have one side (R) that spews lies, hate and venom, but then clutches their pearls when the other side (D) dare do or say anything that they themselves would do (and have done, often many times). And that other side (D) cows, apologizes, while the other side (R) remains smug. So enough of that, bring on the zoo, more poo flinging please!

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If the US adopted PMQs it would be more interesting, watching Joe Biden take hostile questions once a week in front of the House of Representatives would be amusing....
Our politicians need more grit, all of them, (R) and (D). I really do think this is why we have stalemates, minority party rule, celebrity know-nothing leaders (going back decades), and have enabled foreign interference. Weakness due to some 1800s idea of "decorum" in a time where it's so thinly veiled anyway. Say what you mean, mean what you say.

This past week, a British reporter was all over Cruz in Uvalde. Bravo. Cruz walked away, and used his henchmen as a blockade to keep the British reporter away from him. What a weak man, can't even answer some tough questions. We need more journalists like that, hold all politicians accountable, no more (R) and (D) bubbles allowed. Watch it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCQ8ggRVYEs

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