ATI 600 USB unstable picture?

[chrisbati]

Hi,

I just received an ATI 600 USB form @lordsmurf and I encounter issues.
No problem during the installation, it was recognize under w10 64 following the procedure found on the site (with the iso installation disk).

I have picture and sound, but the picture is kind of "disturbed" (sorry, I don't know the correct english word).
It's like synchronisation problem (see attachement)

I set the configuration for pal so : 720*576 / PAL B / 25 fps
It's my default configuration for pal and it's working with no issue with my avermedia capture USB card.

I tried on:

• virtualdub 32 and 64 (black screen in each case)
• virtualdub 2 32 and 64 with the issue I explained
• Amerec TV with the issue I explained

Could someone help ?

Thanks in advance
Kind regards
Chrisbati

[msgohan]

ATI 600 video and audio stuttering.

First, in VirtualDub try disabling Audio Preview. This feature is known to cause problems. To check that audio is coming into the capture device, and not clipping, you can still use the Volume Level Meter.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...html#post69464

If that doesn't help, make sure the device is directly connected to the USB port, without hubs or extensions, and try different ports.

[latreche34]

Are you sure that's not PAL-M 525/59.94 fields/s ? What's wrong with the Avermedia?

[drzapp]

I have this same issue, I think it is caused by a recent Windows 10 update. I had used the 600 USB for a year just fine in Windows 10. Then I took a year off capturing stuff, and just started up again, and my video now looks just like your sample. I've tried several drivers available on the internet, multiple capture programs, with no luck, so let me know if you find a solution.

[chrisbati]

Quote:

Originally Posted by latreche34

Are you sure that's not PAL-M 525/59.94 fields/s ? What's wrong with the Avermedia?

Yes I'm sure as the same input works fine with the avermedia.
I just wanted to upgrade to ATI which is apparently the best in rendering.

Quote:

Originally Posted by msgohan

ATI 600 video and audio stuttering.

First, in VirtualDub try disabling Audio Preview. This feature is known to cause problems. To check that audio is coming into the capture device, and not clipping, you can still use the Volume Level Meter.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...html#post69464

If that doesn't help, make sure the device is directly connected to the USB port, without hubs or extensions, and try different ports.

Thanks for your answer.

Audio is disabled.
The key is directly put in usb port, i tried 6 out of 15 but i don't think the other will helps as they are usb 3.1 or usb-c.

I still have the same problem

[BarryTheCrab]

I have never been able to force my clone to perform properly. Yup, Windows 10.

[chrisbati]

I tried multiple modifications : privacy settings, different ati driver, different usb video driver, tried nvidia studio driver.
Still the same issue

-- merged --

So any idea except other OS ?
Didn't worth the price I paid

[lordsmurf]

Nvidia+Win10 is an evil combo for capture. I'm not sure yet what causes it. Making matters worse yet, the Nvidia drivers were neutered at some point, removing options for fallback to the CPU+motherboard's graphics. It's not the capture card with the issue.

[BarryTheCrab]

My old-dusted-off ATI refurb laptop with W7x64 embedded has given me new life for my 950 I purchased from LS, and also my lucky-find 600 clone. Oddly my 850 is not fully functional ...yet.
I need to take my 950 off Market here.

[chrisbati]

Finally, I managed to make my ati 600 working properly.
I tried the ati 600 on my old HP elitebook (i5 3210m 2.5ghz; 4gb ram) and it worked.
It also has a AMD radeon hd7570m as GPU, which I think is the reason why it's working, but I'm not sure.

On my main photo/video pc I have an nvidia 1070 gtx.

What I don't understand is how the graphic card is involved in the process of capturing ?
Ok for displaying the video, but even if I choose to not display anything, and only capturing, I still have the problem.

Is there anything I can check (other than buying and trying and AMD GPU on my main pc) to find the issue on my main pc ?

Thanks in advance

Chrisbati

-- merged --

So finally, that's not a victory

on my laptop:

• picture ok, no issue
  sound delay issue (tried all the stuff in virtualdub2, same result)

on my desktop:

• picture KO, stuttering
  sound delay OK !

so, on one computer the picture is ok, not the sound, on the other, the opposite.

I tried all the parameters possible in vdub2 (overlay, preview, no picture, all the options for timing). I have never set "audio playback" on.

any suggestion ?

[Symoon]

After a few years of happily recording VHS tapes with the ATI HD 600 USB on my Windows 10 system, I now have the exact same problem than you. I think it's the latest NVIDIA drivers update
I tried to rollback to the previous version, but it didn't solve anything (worse, my 2nd screen wasn't detected anymore !).

I'm using another no-name USB catpure device, and it still works as it did before. I hate those automatic updates that trash your computer. I suppose we'd need to use a computer that is never connected to the network for capturing work.
I tested all on both VirtualDub and AmaRecTV - no difference.

Anyway, no solution so far. I'm afraid that NVIDIA won't fix anything about this, so unless someone finds something about ATI HD 600 USB / Windows 10 / Nvidia, we might have to use another computer disconnected from Internet updates, or another USB capture device :/

-- merged --

(actually, NVIDIA or more likely Windows 10 update... Seems many people experience stuttering problems with games too, after some 2021 Windows updates...)

[nicholasserra]

I always turn off audio preview and also video preview in virtualdub when capturing or else I get stuttering in video.

[Symoon]

After cloning my hard drive (with Macrium Reflect, works great apparently), I restored the factory version of Windows 10 on my computer and I can use the ATI 600 USB again without any problem.
So blame Microsoft's updates that turn your tools into useless garbage. I'd be happily surprised if there's a fix some day - not holding my breath...

[Sparx]

Ohhh my goodness, thankful...(yet annoyed) that I'm not alone.
I just had to dual boot Windows 7 on my Windows 10 machine to get it to work properly!
for the record - I have a GTX970 and Windows 10 + Ati USB 600

When I installed Windows 7 it worked fine (and that's with the latest GTX970 drivers/experience - so it's certainly one of the updates for Windows 10...I am so annoyed. Everything was fine last time I did a transfer (maybe 6 months ago?).

I've tried jiggling settings too, nadda. I hope someone smarter than I comes up with the fix for Win 10, I don't really want to have to be jumping between hard drives. Wish I had room for a dedicated Win 7 machine. (tried Windows XP this morning, motherboard really didn't like it, or perhaps the other way around.)

[Sparx]

Just a quick update one what I've been trying at my end -

I uninstalled at the most recent windows KB updates - all the ones it would let me, at least, back till about February - and the problem persists. However!!!

in the windows update history it also shows that at the end of May windows update the USB driver to a samsung one 2.17.6.0 and I am very very suspicious about that so my next step is to throw that one out and see if I can get the original one for my z97-hd3 installed...fingers crossed.

[Symoon]

Thanks for investigating!
I also had tried removing the latest updates, but my computer wouldn't allow me to go back that much (nothing before May IIRC)... As I'm not very familiar with Win10, I gave up this path.

Any information on locating the root cause will help, please keep us informed!

[qwertz73]

I had exactly the same problem with ATI 600 USB on Windows 10 and found the solution for me. I have two PCI-E sound cards. 3 weeks ago I temporarily replaced my ASUS Xonar Essence STX II sound card with Sound Blaster ZxR, because I had to do an optical audio capture from a LaserDisc. I spent several days with the latter card installed.

Last week, while trying to capture with ATI 600, I noticed that there was a constant image jump on Windows 10 (see attached file), whereas everything was normal on Windows 7.

It was only by re-installing the ASUS Xonar Essence that everything went back to normal on Windows 10. Why this problem with one sound card and not the other? I have no idea. But if it can help others solve this problem.

[Sparx]

I gave up trying to find solutions for it and just put together a reasonable Windows 7 machine which isn't attached to the internet and that's what I use as my main VHS transfer machine.

[qwertz73]

I'll stick with Windows 10 as long as it works.
My version is the following.

Windows 10 Professionnel
22H2
19045.3693
Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.19053.1000.0