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03-19-2021, 04:35 PM
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Hello, i am looking a set of new heads for my Panasonic.
The vídeo heads are very good but one hifi head is not working properly, the other one is ok.
The model is veh0651.
I have found couple of shops in Europe, globalmediapro and ksp-store.
I remember some guy here in forum Who buy a head set in globalmediapro and this heads was Broken so i dont know if this people are good or not to buy, i cant say, i have no experience.
The other shop, is in Bulgaria, i am from spain, and looks like has some set of Heads but i send a mail some time ago and i have no answer, so i dont know.
Anyone have a set of Heads, or have experience with this shops or can recomend me where to look?
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03-21-2021, 04:57 AM
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Hi, sadly the 'new' genuine heads still for sale in retail are some sort of pattern part which does not track well or match the electronics (crackling audio). They are also basic ferrite so not amorphous. So my suggestion is to look for a spares unit that has other faults. You can then replace the entire drum without separating the upper and lower parts.

If you can find a new head sold privately, make sure they are the green amorphous heads, if not it wont play well.
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Thanks sir, how can i know if the heads are the correct one?
I only know the red veh0651 or the complete drum veg1133.
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Thanks sir, how can i know if the heads are the correct one?
I only know the red veh0651 or the complete drum veg1133.
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Ask the seller to confirm the part number and also that the two video head chips are green. If the heads are all black the is an all ferrite pattern part and not really suitable in my experience.

I have got proper original old stock ones on eBay but rarely.
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Many thanks sir, is a help for me to know what to look in the heads.
I am few days looking one set and is very hard to find it.
I going to phone old Panasonic tecnical service here in Spain to ask if there is the heads or even the entre drum in some place forgotten getting dieta.
I dont think so but is a posibility.
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03-21-2021, 01:50 PM
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If you look at the old video head with a loupe or your mobile phone camera, as you spin it around 2 of the 5 visible head chips are green. That's the important thing to see in a new head you buy. Sorry don't have one to hand to show you at the moment.
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Dont worry, i believe i know what you are saying.
Many thanks for your help.
For your nickname i think you are from europe like me right?
As i say many thanks
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Dont worry, i believe i know what you are saying.
Many thanks for your help.
For your nickname i think you are from europe like me right?
As i say many thanks
Happy to help. Yes I'm in the UK! Do tell us how you get on with your search. Nice to hear good news!
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"for parts" donor decks are often where these parts now come from. So don't overlook those. And then resell the "for parts" deck for more parts. Some VCRs get passed around on eBay, picked over each time, and eventually are only good for recycling, so try not to be the bagholder on those deals.

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03-21-2021, 02:21 PM
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Many thanks both.
Its clear if i find a Brand new, original Panasonic head, or even drum this is the best option but its hard to find.
For parts vcr is a Risk, maybe the heads are ok maybe not, you cant know this until you have the deck.
20 euros or 25 dollars maybe is possible to spend with no many Risk but the prices are high.
I dont even believe in this "refurbished" vcr in ebay that cost a lot
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03-21-2021, 03:05 PM
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Note that the changed the drum and some other minor things some time during the production of these, so later models have a VXP1561 (upper cylinder)/VEG1355 (whole drum assembly). The older ones have a green pcb on top of the drum, newer ones don't.

A common fault on the drum assemblies is cold/cracked solder joints, e.g on the connector the head amp slots in, so that may be worth checking if you are having issues unless you know the heads are broke.

If looking for parts the NV-HS800 is basically the same deck without the tbc board and used the same drums. I have successfully used a VEH0467/VEG769 drum from a AG5700 (used in some of these, but mainly in the NV-FS88/FS200) in it. I can't say for 100% sure it performs equivalently to the ones originally in it tho but I haven't noticed any downgrade in playback quality. (Recording is not working properly but I'm not sure it's due to the drum or some electronics thing as I changed a bunch of caps and a transistor in it as well, so I may have accidentally damaged something.)

Other drum assemblies from svhs and hi-fi models around the time may also work (if you check that the connectors are correct and drum motor is the same), though most of those will usually be normal ferrite ones.
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03-21-2021, 03:10 PM
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Thanks, can i put veg1355 drum Direct to my old versión with veg1133?
If i have more options maybe i can find a new spare
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Dont worry, i believe i know what you are saying. Many thanks for your help. For your nickname i think you are from europe like me right? As i say many thanks
He does Jose, knows a lot more than some - because he has loads of experience with them !

just done an amazing job getting my HS1000 back to almost new again, fantastic work :-)
but I only live 20 mins away from his work - so that helps a lot
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Getting a new whole drum assembly is a lot harder than getting a real pink unicorn, So the only option is getting the upper drum, Keep in mind that this requires repair skills, because the head switch point will be re-adjusted, the entire tape transport and its tension will need re-alignment and the RF board will have to be re-calibrated with the new heads' impedances. If you can tackle this yourself and have an oscilloscope and other proprietary special test equipment then go for it.
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Thanks, can i put veg1355 drum Direct to my old versión with veg1133?
If i have more options maybe i can find a new spare
Judging by the manual it should probably work (it doesn't mention drum compatability, but it does mention the updated pcbs can be used in the older revision.) You would have to replace the whole drum assembly though, not just the upper drum as I don't think the upper drum is interchangeable between the two versions of the drum assembly.
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Thanks to all, i have a question, i have read than veh0651 and veh0467 are fully compatible.
I think this head is for NV fs200 not for NV hs1000 but i have read that this compatibility exist.
Can any expert of the forum Tell me if this is true?
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03-23-2021, 02:38 PM
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I mean, only the heads with the same drum of NV hs1000,
Mr hodgey Tell us that all entire drum with heads is compatible, i believe i understand this, but i have read that only the heads are compatible too.
Veh0467 is more easy to find
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03-23-2021, 05:54 PM
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I put here the link to a russian document.
In this say veh0651 is compatible with veh9467 and veh0454
http://qrx.narod.ru/rem/or_svm.htm
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03-24-2021, 06:07 AM
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I have more news, there are two versións of veh0467, one is made from derrite, the other one with board vjb00p32 is amorphous
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I put here the link to a russian document.
In this say veh0651 is compatible with veh9467 and veh0454
http://qrx.narod.ru/rem/or_svm.htm
Interesting, maybe heads from the cheaper decks work too then, though most of those are not amorphous so I don't know what impact that would have on quality.
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