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07-16-2020, 12:59 PM
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Hi. I'm on Windows 10 LTSC (1803), i5 2500k (2011), 16GB 1600Mhz RAM, 1060 6GB GPU and JVC HR-S7600EK/ATI TV Wonder 600 USB/no external TBC.

VirtualDub doesn't have a preview image at all, regardless of what options I use, audio playback if enabled works but capturing works without problems, I included a sample (encoded -- ffmpeg -codec:v libx264 -crf 18 -- not the original HuffYUV).
Should I care or it doesn't matter if the capture works?


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07-16-2020, 01:21 PM
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Does it happen with virtualdub2 as well? There was some change to directshow in a windows update that broke previews, virtualdub2 is still updated and has a fix for it.
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07-16-2020, 01:46 PM
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Does it happen with virtualdub2 as well? There was some change to directshow in a windows update that broke previews, virtualdub2 is still updated and has a fix for it.
Yeah Vdub2 seems to be fine. Lordsmurf in the past said though not to use Vdub2 or 1.10
http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...html#post61012
though he didn't say exactly why

Regardless though, does it matter for the capture?
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07-19-2020, 06:19 PM
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VirtualDub2 has bugs and stability issues. So did 1.10.x, where it forks from.

However, I've found pre-2 FilterMod (FM) works for a few select cards.
1.9.x still works best for most all cards.

Preview is often a DirectX setting issue.
And then preview/overlay.
It can also be a problem in the OS display settings. I've fodn that with certain nVidia cards. You must set VirtualDub to use the integrated graphics, not nVidia.

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VirtualDub2 has bugs and stability issues. So did 1.10.x, where it forks from.

However, I've found pre-2 FilterMod (FM) works for a few select cards.
1.9.x still works best for most all cards.

Preview is often a DirectX setting issue.
And then preview/overlay.
It can also be a problem in the OS display settings. I've fodn that with certain nVidia cards. You must set VirtualDub to use the integrated graphics, not nVidia.
I don't have integrated graphics, my motherboard's P67 chipset doesn't support 2500k's graphics.

Sorry for repeating myself, if it doesn't work, should it cause any problem on the capture? Could I make the preparing on Vdub2 (tape position etc) and then do the capture with 1.9?
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07-19-2020, 10:38 PM
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Did you look at, or adjust, the VirtualDub DirectX settings?

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Did you look at, or adjust, the VirtualDub DirectX settings?
On 1.9.11, I've tried tinkering with Options => Preferences => Display but I don't get video either Preview or Overlay. Thing is I've now noticed that on the crop window video works
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07-21-2020, 09:16 AM
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It may work to switch to preview, and then under device -> device settings check save current display mode as default, and restart. Otherwise just using Virtualdub2 is probably fine unless you experience other issues with it.

Not sure if you will be able to get overlay to work in 1.9.11 with the current setup, due to the noted change in windows: https://sourceforge.net/p/vdfiltermod/tickets/186/#0c8f
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07-21-2020, 10:12 AM
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silly suggestion, but are you sure

a. the [Device] is checked for the capture device, first time its usually not selected automatically

b. the [Video]>[preview] is checked

c. the [Video]>[Source] is set to the correct input

d. the [Video]>[Capture Pin] is set to 720, or 702 or 640

e. the [Video]>[Capture filter] is set to NTSC or PAL, and Signal Detected ="1" and Lines detected = 525 etc

f. the [Video]>[Crossbar] is set to Video SVideo In or Composite


Windows 10 can also mean any of the 21 versions of Windows 10 since initial release 2015, and 32 bit or 64 bit versions until Windows 10s which technically is only being released in 64 bit form.. if you know which version it would help

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07-21-2020, 03:07 PM
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I have also observed the issue. Oddly enough, making a copy of the virtualdub folder and then using the executable in the copied folder brings the overlay back. I recall seeing an article about this somewhere.

My issue though is Windows 10 build 2004 jacks up capturing in general from my ATI TV Wonder 600 USB. Tried multiple Windows 10 systems using 2 different ATI TV Wonder 600 USB devices. Same issue that was not there on the previous build of Windows 10.

See my post here:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/video-capture/10819-keywest-bigvoodoo-bvtbc10-new-post.html
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07-22-2020, 02:28 AM
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silly suggestion, but are you sure

a. [...]

Windows 10 can also mean any of the 21 versions of Windows 10 since initial release 2015, and 32 bit or 64 bit versions until Windows 10s which technically is only being released in 64 bit form.. if you know which version it would help

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Yes, I do all of the above as standard capture procedure, they're set.

I specified the version, it's the Enterprise LTSC 2019, Version 1803. This edition is updated only every 3 years like the Server edition of Windows 10 and it's much more stable, lite weight (it completely lacks Cortana and much bloat of the normal Windows 10) and lacks all of the issues the normal semi-annual release schedule brings.

@Artex

Copying does it but it takes one switch from Preview to Overlay or exit and re-entering capture mode and it's gone again.

I consider the semi-annual editions of Windows 10 beta, it's a wrong release model and that is being proven every 6 months a new release with a new array of issues comes up. I would say to find how to get the Enterprise LTSC 2019 version instead.
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07-22-2020, 02:38 AM
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I have also observed the issue. Oddly enough, making a copy of the virtualdub folder and then using the executable in the copied folder brings the overlay back. I recall seeing an article about this somewhere.

My issue though is Windows 10 build 2004 jacks up capturing in general from my ATI TV Wonder 600 USB. Tried multiple Windows 10 systems using 2 different ATI TV Wonder 600 USB devices. Same issue that was not there on the previous build of Windows 10.

See my post here:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...-new-post.html

Good information.

I wonder if a registry key is being written by some element of the program or operating system which is making the overlay window go away.

Perhaps you could perform a system backup up while its working, then perform a system restore when its broken to see if it is something that is being changed in the registry.

If you could narrow that down, then you could restore the registry change on command that fixes the problem whenever its triggered.

I've recently found this regarding sound on certain Pinnacle video capture products for audio.
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07-22-2020, 08:00 AM
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Note this is referencing VDub2 but still applies:

Here's the specific link: https://sourceforge.net/p/vdfiltermo...4c2b/61c9/4369

I performed a registry search for the exact directory in which VirtualDub is in, and I found something that "fixes" the problem. It's in the following key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Direct3D\Shim s\EnableOverlays

The key contains a list of paths. If I delete the path pointing to the VD2 that I am using, the Overlay mode works... until I select Preview (system). Then the entry reappears in this list and everything starts over again. For the moment, I will delete these entries and stay away from Preview (system).

I don't know what the key does, but I hope this helps...


and the larger article: https://sourceforge.net/p/vdfiltermod/tickets/186/

Long story short, it solves it for a bit until the key is automatically recreated which is what I observe.

Either way, My ATI TV Wonder 600 USB capture + Windows 10 2004 is borked so I ordered a VC500 to see if it's the particular combination of OS + ATI TV Wonder USB 600 Hardware or just the Windows 10 OS Build.

Should be here tomorrow for testing and I'll let the group know my findings.
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07-22-2020, 06:41 PM
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Well, the VC500 works absolutely fine so it appears the 2004 Windows 10 update borked something with the ATI TV Wonder 600 USB.
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