Jittery video capturing VHS, ATI 600 USB, Windows 10?
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although windows 10 is not ideal i've read that some have had success with it. this pc came with windows 10 so i figure i give that a try before going the windows xp route.
the ati 600 usb i got off ebay came with the original cd. i installed the windows vista drivers from there. setup panasonic dmr-es46v -> composite out -> ati 600 usb -> virtualdub -> avi sample capture file is attached. i was following this guide |
I'm unable to watch the video, but have you tried using the S-Video output? afaik that one goes through the internal digitizer which should help stabilize the video output. (the dvd-priority out composite output may do as well but not sure.)
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unfortunately the dvd/vcr combo only has composite out for vhs. the s-video out is reserved for dvd.
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I can't watch your video (using VLC) because you used the Huffyuv Multithreaded codec, which it does not support. Probably best to stick to regular Huffyuv for the broadest player compatibility.
Looks like you're not using a VCR with a TBC or an in-line frame TBC. Jitter is one of the things that TBCs fix. So you may want to pick up a Panasonic ES10/ES15 DVD recorder to pass the VCR's signal through en route to your ATI card. That will likely solve your jitter problem. |
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read a post from lordsmurf that panasonic players are known to give problems without tbc. read another post from lordsmurf that the es10/15 are a so-so tbcs and might not fix the jitter problems. but the es10/15 route looks much cheaper than getting a true tbc like a datavideo tbc-1000. i'll switch to regular huffyuv and try to get the s-video working and see if that helps. |
Thanks for the replies. I am currently in the process of building a new PC, but that's dependant on me managing to get a graphics card in the current climate. I was planning on running Win10 on it, but perhaps opting for an older version e.g. Win8 might make a difference? Then I could always update later down the road. I've read that Win10 can be tempermental when it comes to video capture, so perhaps this would be my best option?
From what I've seen a TBC is relatively pricey so I'm hesitant to go down that road unless it's necessary. It looks like I could get an ES10 fairly cheap so I'd be more inclined to try that if I can't get things working on my new PC. How exactly would that work - could I just add it to the chain e.g. camcorder > composite > ES10 > S-Video + comp audio > capture card > PC? Also, on that note, the camcorder supports S-Video, but I don't have an S-Video cable for it. In the first instance would trying S-Video from the camcorder to the capture card make a difference vs using composite video? |
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Yes you should use S-Video wherever possible. Suitable cables can likely be found cheaply on ebay or amazon or maybe even places like flea markets or thrift stores.
I don't think there is any benefit of Windows 8 over Windows 10 for the purposes of capture. XP is best, followed by Windows 7. Since you're building a PC I assume it will be in a tower case. So it would be pretty trivial/cheap to pick up a second hard drive or SSD and dual boot Win7 (or Win XP if your motherboard supports it) just for capturing purposes. Maybe your graphics card comment is in regards to wanting a high end one for gaming, which is understandable. But for doing video capture you can use a very basic GPU--there's no need for anything fancy. TBCs are pricey indeed, and I think we're at the point where the additional quality they give over a Panasonic ES10/ES15 is hardly worth the cost. You can even look for an ES10/ES15 with a busted DVD drive, since you're only using it as a passthru to your capture card. |
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i tried disabling it with mmview but that didn't work either. i tried deleting virtual dub and extracting a fresh copy. that didn't work. it remembered all my settings. i didn't install ffdshow. seems like that adds unnecessary codecs. i can't play the video in vlc either but i can play it in virtualdub. Quote:
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8 is mostly 10, blah, problems, just not as bad as 10. Quote:
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camera> ES10/15 > capture card Route audio into ES10/15, there can be lag/delay/sync issues otherwise. Switching composite<>s-video midstream is often bad, but try it. Quote:
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I recently saw a "for parts of repair" TBC on eBay for $1k+ tax/shipping. $1k. For a broken unit, doesn't work. No returns, as-is. And it sold. WTF? :screwy: Just FYI, TBC-1000s can be lemons. That even includes the "tested" and "working" units. Half of those people don't even know what the letters "TBC" stand for. I'm not joking. |
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Hm, I looked at the sample now, it's an very odd error, and it happens in the same way in both samples, even though in the latter one the internal digitizer seems to be stabilizing things otherwise. It's possible it's some software or driver issue as well. Did you try with a different codec?
Converted the samples to 4:2:2 h.264 in case anyone else knows what this sort of error is, it doesn't look like the type of effect you get when the capture card loses sync. |
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i'm going to install windows xp and start over with the regular huffyuv codec. hopefully that fixes errors. but it seems picking up a real tbc may be in my future. zoinks! i discovered that most of the vhs tapes in my collection were played maybe once or twice, if at all and are relatively clean. i hoped because of that i wouldn't need a tbc. |
If you have issues with huffyuv, you could also try with lagarith or utvideo instead.
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it seems hp has removed the legacy boot mode that allows usb/cd installaion of windows xp. only the newer uefi is available. i started a thread over at r/windowsxp and it looks like i'd have to do considerable work figuring out how to put in a bios that supports legacy boot in order to install the os. i got this new machine because i figured a new machine would be really good hardware for the vhs captures. but i'm starting to think it might be better to just get a pc with windows xp already on it. the prices on ebay aren't so bad. |
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my windows xp machine came today and it looks like that has solved the jittery video problem. maybe i don't need a tbc just yet.
i've attached a sample. have a look see and let me know what you think. also take a look at the codecs. virtualdub gave me a lot more options in xp than it did in windows 10. i wasn't sure which to pick exactly but i think i got it right. the sample is very short but i wanted to share the uncompressed video. sidenote: i've never been so excited to open a box with really old technology in it like i was today. |
As hodgey mentioned, the big problem you were seeing wasn't actually jitter. I don't know what the name might be, but the appearance reminds me of screen tearing in the computer graphics sense (unrelated to analog video "tearing/flagging" as usually discussed here).
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You can do a lot to improve upon this latest capture. To start, I would set the ATI 600 sharpness control to 0 in its Proc Amp settings. The contrast looks overblown, and there is some line jitter, but fixing those issues may require more/different hardware. |
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