VHS conversion sanity check: capture card, OS?
Much thanks for all the resources. Been doing a lot of reading and learning tons.
My Goal is to transfer ~20 vhs tapes (I also have handful of digital 8 and 8mm, but have a dv camcorder). End format is not known but want to capture at a reasonable high quality to rid the tapes then deal with cutting and finishing later. I need some help on picking a capture card. Original plan was to use the macbook m1 air with a canopus ADVC 300. I recently sold the advc 300 after learning DV is bad for video capture. After reading about the nuances with modern operating systems, I am open to using the other comptuers I have. Equipment: VCR: JVC HR-S9911U w/TBC Software: Have both Apple FCP or Adobe CS Computers: Macbook M1 air or AMD/RTX 3080 gaming PC w/Windows 10 * also available is a file server running windows server 2012 r2 or a Dell D420 Laptop Core2Duo w/Win XP. The 2012 r2 server has a PCI and PCIe slot , no agp. |
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Some example of captures here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMs...h1MmNAs7I8nu4g |
Another for the list: the IO Data GV-USB2 runs like clockwork on Win 10 21H1 and Virtual Dub; Vub Histogram works a treat and full Proc Amp control is available via Graphstudio (simple guide available if needed).
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VHS transfer is almost entirely about the hardware used for it.
- quality gear = quality conversions - cheap/crappy gear = problems, up to inability to transfer at all A basic conversion workflow is VCR > TBC > capture card. Not just any VCR/TBC/card, but devices known to work, and work well. The capture card further has the computer hardware, OS, and capture software. Plus capture formats. You can easily screw it all up, by trying to multitask, or use cheap (quality, not price) capture software. Or even the wrong software, be it Premiere, OBS, or others. OS matters. Win10 is generally terrible, but Mac and Linux is often worse. This is a 2000s task, and 2020s OS/hardware isn't going to cooperate. Best is WinXP, Win7, older pre-10.14 Mac. Hardware has costs, yes. Buy it, use it, resell it. Trying to go cheap often backfires. You'll spend more time screwing around with trying to make it work, rather than use it. How much is your time worth to you? Your sanity? Right now, you have a good VCR, 9911, which has line TBC. You lack frame TBC. FCP and Premiere are great editors/NLEs, but horrible at trying to capture video. Don't do that. Wrong tool for the task. That M1 will not work whatsoever, and the Win10 will fight you. You cannot capture in a VM. If you can install XP on hardware, that's ideal. Laptops, not so much, those were often very underpowered. Certain Pinnacle cards are working best right now for Win10, quality captures. But setup is finicky, and actually uses VirtaulDub2 for capture -- at least, right now. Every 6 months will change things, due to Win10 updates always screwing something up video-wise. |
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Thanks for all the info. For some reason I thought windows server 2012 would be a good windows xp/7 computer, apparently not the case.
Decided to build an XP or 7 machine. I have an old machine at my parents house or can pick an old dell optiplex workstation from craigslist for $60. I bought this ATI 2006 Edition AIW card Fingers crossed that soldering a resister will fix it. Worst case, I have the cables and can pick from the several cheap cards already available. -- merged -- Found a large photo of the board: https://vgamuseum.ru/gpu/atiamd/ati-...all-in-wonder/ Any idea what component this is? |
Looks like a surface mount capacitor (the labels start with C, while resistors R); I'd look for a similarly labeled capacitor on the board and somehow measure its capacitance if you're looking for a replacement, or maybe someone can tell you. Hopefully just a resolder but good luck with the repair in any case.
Dell Dimension might be closer to what you need because you need an AGP slot, without the AGP slot you cannot install the AIW card. (Regarding Optiplex lordsmurf has a few choice words about those boxes :laugh:). Hopefully the old PC you mention has an AGP slot - if it's around 2004 or so it should. |
Thanks! I'll keep an eye out for dell dimension and other older machines.
Turns out neither of my "old" machines have an AGP slot. Pausing this project until I find an agp computer AND can fix the card I just bought or if I decide to buy an PCIe card. Its funny, because I've donated a few old computers with AGP slots many many years ago, and now I seeking it. |
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That's a Vishay 22uF 16v Tantalum capacitor. Should be easy enough to resolder the existing one or source a replacement :) |
Thank you!
Turns out the seller included the cap which had fallen off. Makes my life much easier. It looks similar to several other caps on the board, but different color from the photo I attached above. I'll cross check it versus a similar cap in that photo and check the board that it is similar. Thanks again. -- merged -- Does capturing in Win 7 lose quality to Windows XP? I have everything I need for a windows 7 capture PC with an ATI AIW 800XL new in box. I can try to source a windows XP pc with AGP to use the ATI AIW 2006 Value edition and hope that soldiering the card fixes it |
It's not really about Win7 vs XP but rather PCIe vs AGP. Even though they use the same Theatre 200 chip, apparently the drivers for the PCIe cards cause some horizontal offset.
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A few have had a bit of success getting them to work (at least partially) with 32 bit Win7, but it takes a lot of playing around and is something left to those highly knowledgeable in the intricacies of Windows OS itself. BW |
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Thanks soo much for this. I realized that my old pcie motherboard supports windows xp. Been too tied up but will get to resuming this project shortly
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