I just picked up a HS-HD2000U in order to digitize VHS tapes of various holidays and birthdays. I've looked at the recommended capture card list, but am wondering how current it is, and if there are any newer devices that are on par with what's currently on the list. I'm not having any luck finding a ATI TV Wonder HD 600 USB. So that leaves me with the only other affordable and available option, the Hauppauge 610 USB2 capture stick. Despite this being recommended, I can see a ton of bad reviews for it (and yes i did read the note on the post about dumb reviewers) but it makes me apprehensive. Do you guys vouch for this device still? Are there any revisions I should avoid?
Thanks, and it feels good to be a member of the forum now. :salute: -- merged -- Just got this Pinnacle Dazzle usb capture device for about $10. The picture quality is pretty good, however the capture is choppy, as in it will hang on a frame every few seconds. I'm using the 64-bit driver and it does it in both virtualdub and OBS. Any ideas? -- merged -- After installing Pinnacle studio, the Dazzle began working in Virtualdub, but if i turn the audio on the FPS drops like the capture card cant handle it or something. The capture preview window looks better than the uncompressed AVI that im capturing and outputting. You can notice the loss of sharpness in the WWF logo in the bottom left. also the output video seems to be more saturated or something. One would think that what you see in the preview is what you'll get if capturing losslessly. Am i doing something wrong? edit: tried to attach a png but it got converted to a tiny jpeg so i cant show you what im talking about. Not sure whats up with that. |
vdub cannot capture properly with audio preview on, this has been like this for ages.
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Which software should I use to capture? What is the workflow for VHS capturing with the equipment I have? I'd really appreciate any help. Thank you
-- merged -- Pinnacle studio for Dazzle software seems to work excellently. Aspect ratio is correct, video is crisp and clear. I've gotten to the point that my capture looks better than the one I paid walmart $75 to do, which makes me seriously happy. For some reason the Virtual dub avi's dont look nearly as sharp. while playing the tape and looking at the preview pane in vdub, it looks great. but when i capture it to avi it just doesnt look the same. its blurrier and the colors are off. I'd love to know why that is. -- merged -- Hopefully you can see this image. On the left is the capture of a homemade SLP recording captured over svideo with the Dazzle and Pinnacle software on Windows 10. On the right is the Walmart digitization. I'd say mine is a lot better.. They seem to have washed out all of the detail to give it a smooth glass look. Their aspect ratio is off too. -- merged -- Heres another screenshot. Mine on the left and Walmart on the right. I am loving this Pinnacle Dazzle! |
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Almost always VirtualDub. Amarectv can work at times, but it's so finicky. Quote:
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off-topic: Is that WWF Smackdown! Just Bring It for PS2? To this day, the next game a year later, WWE Smackdown! Shut Your Mouth is probably my favorite wrestling game. A pair of friends and myself would get together every Friday night after work, and play this into the wee hours. But we rarely used stock characters, we had custom characters on it, such as Superman and Johnny Bravo. I still have it, but not played in many years, hope the memory card held up. It was never fun to play alone, so our weekends ended when I moved away. Good memories. Miss those days. |
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The game in the capture photos I posted is WWF Attitude on PSX. My friend and I used to let the computer play the matches while we overlaid funny commentary. We did this with other Wrestling games like Revenge and No Mercy on N64, I just have to go through these unnamed tapes to find them. |
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In my transfer you can actually see the muscle definition on Stone Cold Steve Austin :laugh: My capture also is showing more on top and bottom of the screen, without the garbage. You can see Shawn Michaels tip of his head under the bottom rope in my capture, but not walmarts. Those lines are gone. I also have more lines on top. Well, I felt like I was finally getting somewhere but I feel like I'm back to square one. Capturing with vdub seems to insert frames like every 5 seconds while capturing. I don't think that's good. This has been a frustrating experience due to all the bad advice and videos ive followed elsewhere. The chinese hdmi cap card I was using at first was clearly awful, i could tell right away. This Pinnacle Dazzle is leaps and bounds better than that thing, but still not good enough i guess due to the stuttering. ive got moving boxes full to the brim with VHS tapes waiting on me to figure out wtf im doing. |
There is a ton of information to take in with regards to capturing video as well as tweaking it for the best results. There is a lot of garbage info out there as well, but when it comes down to it there are very few components which are actually recommended for quality results.
If you want to go the capture card route, there are only a few recommended models, and you'll need to build an older XP type computer to use them (I may be wrong here, but the good cards I'm aware of require old computer builds). If you don't want to or can't go that route, then the next best option is one of the good DVD recorders which will give decent results depending on how obsessed you are with quality. Tweaking is also a factor here, as you won't be able to capture losslessly for editing the recording. But if you get one of the higher quality DVD recorders, you can do some pretty decent transfers as long as you have a good VCR and a good signal. |
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I have a Magnavox ZV427MG9. it has HDMI out and can record to DVD-r. I have not tried recording to DVD with it, but the HDMI out looks so bad i haven't even bothered to give it a shot.
-- merged -- Just for giggles here's some caps of my buddy's and I's announce table for the WWF stuff. When I was a kid i had no manual or internet so I couldn't figure out how to remove the text overlay. To be fair it was like a two button combo you had to hit to make it disappear. Also, this was recorded on a Mitsubishi HS-710ur boombox style VCR. I had a camera that attached to the camera port and I could even do stop motion animation with it. I wish i could find a camera that works with it, because id buy another HS-710ur just to play with. -- merged -- I'm wondering if the Dazzle will perform better running under windows 7. The stuttering I'm experiencing could be some windows 10 anomaly. The Dazzle delivers excellent color and contrast using their software as compared to a secondary monitor. I'm going to try and install windows xp or 7 somewhere and give it a shot. If there were no pauses (dropped frames?) the dazzle seems to do an exceptional job. Im sure this thing wasn't cheap when it was released and it probably just needs to be run on the correct OS. If it still drops/inserts frames, then they should have been sued before they made a dime. |
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On that specific video the brightness levels were very all over the place and I was a bit unsure if I the EH57 would clip blacks too much (normally not an issue but this tape had levels all over the place and possibly video content which went lower than normal) so I used the pioneer dvr-440 dvd-recorder -> io-data approach instead. The pioneer (and related sony models) isn't as robust and good at stabilizing on very bad tapes as the panasonic ones, but on good tapes like this there is hardly any difference. |
Yes, I should also mention your captures for point number 2 in my list. ;)
Thanks for all your effort and for sharing your results! |
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As for decent DVD Recorders for actually recording to DVD, there are only a few really good models I know of which would be JVC DR-M10, DR-M100 (same model, M100 is updated version of M10. DR-MV100B is *not* the same and isn't recommended). JVC DR-MV1, DR-MV5 - DVD recorder sider only, VCR side isn't good. JVC DR-M30H. Toshiba RDR-XS34, RDR-XS35. Out of the above I've only actually been able to find the JVC DR-M10 to purchase personally, not sure how often the other models pop up on used market. |
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As far as I've understood, all DVD recorders contain image stabilization built in but only a couple stabilize the image in passthrough. Hence, you can record to a dvd recorder using a non-TBC VCR without a TBC in the chain, and still get a stable image if the tape is decent. The same isn't true for sending a non-TBC signal to a capture device. I've seen this with my own eyes using an AIW capture card/XP to try and capture from VHS without TBC producing unstable image, but it recorded fine on dvd recorder
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With this Dazzle, probably not. Regardless of OS, you need TBC. Win10 issues are more with drivers, audio -- not as often dropped frames. Noting that Win10 often means SSD, and fragmented nature of SSD is not good for capturing, dropped frames happen too often. Quote:
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You must be careful of the Toshiab, IRE can be really off. Most DVD recorders are off, 3-5 or so, but many Toshiba and especially oldest Panasonics can be like +10 total washouts. Quote:
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