Recommendations for digitizing VHS?
Hello,
Lately, I have been interested in digitizing old VHS and VHS-C tapes. Since I am a complete beginner, I just figured I would buy an Elgato Video Capture USB dongle to do that. But I have stumbled upon reviews where users say that the audio in longer videos can be out of sync, which led me to more research, which led me here. So, I hope you can help me with a budget-friendly option that will help me capture the tapes. I'm not too worried about quality, average quality is OK for me, I'd just like for the video and audio to be in sync, of course. Even capturing a TV screen would work for me. The VCR I own is Sony SLV-SE500 and the camcorder I have is Sony CCD-TR550E PAL (which worked 10 years ago but won't turn on now, I suspect the battery is dead and I will get a replacement battery). I have also stumbled upon this video on youtube, "Transfer VHS And Camcorder Tapes With An Elgato HD Capture Card" (don't know if links are allowed). The man in the video uses an AV2HDMI upscaler, the old Elgato Game Capture HD, and of course an AV RCA cable and HDMI cable. He records in OBS. Would that be an OK setup for my needs? I have also read on this forum that a Time Base Corrector would be preferable to have, and I assume my devices don't have a TBC built in. If I used this setup, could you recommend me a DVD recorder that could work as a TBC passthrough, if that's possible? I would get a new VCR with TBC, but there are literally none offered where I'm from. I am open to any recommendations for setups and for video card recommendations. The most I could spend at the moment is around 150€ |
Your best bet is to find a PAL DV camcorder with video pass through (takes the composite signal from your VCR and converts it to a "Firewire" digital output to a computer. I have a Panasonic DV camcorder from 2005 that does this nicely once you change a setting in the menu system. You'll also need a basic Firewire input card for your computer. A Firewire card is readily available for cheap on Amazon. There are plenty of DV camcorders that do Firewire pass through out in the world, with the usual caveats regarding eBay and other used equipment sites. But you should be able to obtain both for 150 Euros.
You'll play the tapes on the VCR, put the camcorder into pass through mode, then use virtually any DV capture software or editing software on your computer to capture the stream from Firewire. You should end up with a .avi video file in DV format, which is compatible with every bit of editing software in the world, and can easily be edited and/or converted to other formats for making DVDs or uploading to YouTube, etc. You could capture, edit, and export with something as fancy as the free Davinci Resolve, or you could use a simple capture utility (WinDV still exists) and then a converter like Handbrake. Forget all the Elgato/OBS/upscaler/HDMI stuff. This method is not IDEAL. A great improvement would be if you could afford to get a JVC or Panasonic S-VHS VCR with a line based time based corrector (TBC) and s-video output, but that's several hundred Euros. To further improve, you'd have to head down the rabbit hole of external frame TBCs, lossless codecs, 4:2:2 colorspace, etc. But by your question I can tell you don't want that. It's not fun. LOL! Although I do definitely recommend learning how to correctly export/convert your PAL .avi files to 50 frames per second .mp4 (or .m4v) files to maintain the correct fluid motion of analog television. You only mention capturing VHS & VHS-C, so I'm assuming your broken 8mm camcorder is pretty well useless. |
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There are also other issues with DV passthrough, such as lost footage. There is a lag/delay between the actual video, and when recording stop/starts. You lose several minutes worth of footage on the average start/stop homemade camcorder tape. DV was never intended as a conversion format. The most damning aspect of DV is the cards (usually Canopus) tend to cost more than better cards, and is not justified whatsoever. Quote:
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The main issue with using battery power for a camcorder during capture is the available reliable run time when on battery. This is especially problematic with camcorders that used NiMH and NiCD batteries. Using A/C mains power is more reliable and highly recommended.
One option that can result in "average" quality is to use a DVD recorder. For tapes in good condition this can give you a DVD you can watch at about the same quality as the tape played directly to a TV. It is not a good approach if you want to do restoration or editing of the video, it will not work for copy protected tapes, and may not prove reliable for tapes with poor recordings. But it saves time since the capture goes directly to playable media in one pass. And it may be within you budget. In any case, save your original tapes in case you want to up your game and do a serious effort to maximize quality in the future. Many threads at this site go into details and provide lessons learned on better methods. |
Hi everyone, thank you for all your help and suggestions, sadly I don't really have much time to reply to all messages, but I read them all and highly appreciate your help and expertise.
I am currently looking to up my budget a little and maybe invest in a SVHS recorder, could you recommend which one should I get from the ones listed below? Also can my Hi8 Camcorder (which I have found out actually works) be connected to them for eventual capturing? SVHS options: JVC HR-S9500E with TBC 140 Euro JVC sa-s97gek (i think this is the model number, it's hard to read) 140 euro blaupunkt rtv 950 - 40 Euro Blaupunkt RTV-936 - 140 euro I would also appreciate if you could give me recommendations for video capture cards that are around 150-200 Euros, so I could narrow down some options |
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Why Panasonic and Blaupunkt came together I have absolutely no idea, unless in the German market Blaupunkt branding carried more cachet. For 40€ it's an absolute bargain if it's in working order. |
From experience I can tell you that the JVC HR-S9500 (NTSC version) is excellent, especially with older camcorder tapes, but I can't speak to the PAL version.
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I own a JVC HR-S9500MS (multistandard Pal, Secam, NTSC) and I confirm is an excellent machine
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If condition is equally good, the rtv 950 seems like the best bet given the price. (If you don't know if it's in good condition it's harder to say, the older panasonic/blaupunkt decks are gonna be more prone to aging issues than the newer JVC.) Quote:
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Thank you everyone, I will go with the Blaupunkt one, it really is a good deal, the guy says it's in very good condition, and he's also selling an exact Blaupunkt faulty unit in the lot I'm buying, so even if none of them end up working, I'm hoping I can have at least one repaired
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