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Eagleaye 11-20-2010 03:09 AM

Best capture choice-USB device or AGP Card (EZcap vs ATI All In Wonder)
 
I have a load of family VHS and Hi8 video as well as TV recordings that I want to get into digital format, at the best quality I can reasonably obtain, and eventually edit in Final Cut Express on an i7 iMac.
I have a JVC D-VHS machine and been experimenting with an EZCap USB device with Videoglide software on a dual drive, dual processor G5 Mac, but had some problems with dropped frames when capturing in some of the formats, also the resulting material still needs converting to DV through MPEG Streamclip to work well with FCE.

Before I spend too much time trying to get the workflow right for the EZCap, I'm wondering if I'd be better off capturing on a Windows XP machine using Virtualdub?
I'm not adverse to using different platforms to get a good result and have access to a Pentium 4 PC with an ATI All in Wonder 9600 Pro AGP Card that I could utilise, I've read that in many ways these older AGP cards are just as good if not better than todays cards for capturing.
In short, are there advantages of using an XP machine with the 9600 card and Virtualdub over the EZCap device on the Mac, I'm I likely to notice a difference?
If the PC is thought to be the best option should I convert the resulting material on the PC or on the Mac with Streamclip for use with FCE?
Finally when converting material from lossless to DV format for Mac what am I losing in quality, I'm I going to notice it?

Any opinions and advice greatly appreciated.

kpmedia 11-20-2010 09:44 AM

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have access to a Pentium 4 PC with an ATI All in Wonder 9600 Pro AGP Card that I could utilise, I've read that in many ways these older AGP cards are just as good if not better than todays cards for capturing.
This would be my suggestion. You'll be hard-pressed to get a better capture card than this specific ATI All In Wonder card, without spending huge sums of money on gear from Matrox, Blackmagic, Aja or a few others (not Canopus).

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have a JVC D-VHS machine
This is good -- great VCR for getting the most quality as you can from those old VHS tapes.

The only item that may be missing is a standalone full-frame TBC.
Most on that here: http://www.digitalFAQ.com/forum/show...base-2251.html

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been experimenting with an EZCap USB device with Videoglide software on a dual drive, dual processor G5 Mac
This is triple punishment!
  1. EZCap USB device = cheap little device, quality average at best in most cases
  2. Videoglide software = crap. When 640x480 is the max resolution support, it's time to find something else. That reminds me of Windows software form 10+ years ago.
  3. G5 Mac = Macs unfortunately make for horrible capturing machines. Great for editing, compositing effects, authoring DVDs --- but crap for capturing. Always do capturing on something else first, generally a Windows XP based computer.

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are there advantages of using an XP machine with the 9600 card and Virtualdub over the EZCap device on the Mac, I'm I likely to notice a difference?
Yes, the quality is much better.
Yes, you'll most likely notice. Almost everybody notices, as I've observed for about 8 years now (since first ATI AIW cards).
You can also use ATI MMC for MPEG-2 or AVI capturing.

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Finally when converting material from lossless to DV format for Mac what am I losing in quality, I'm I going to notice it?
NTSC video color starts to look "odd" or "cooked" or "artificial" when the colorspace is chopped down from 4:2:2 to 4:1:1 compression. Theory dictates I'm wrong, but practical application and observation tends to disagree with many professionals and amateurs alike. PAL DV is 4:2:0 (different 4:2:0 than DVD-Video's MPEG-2 4:2:0), and while theory dictates it should have problems, it generally looks just as clean as the source.

I would avoid NTSC DV (i.e. DV25 @ 4:1:1) as much as possible.

If DV is your least-evil option, however, then you're just forced to use it. It's not the end of the world.

DV50 is 4:2:2, and a much better DV codec. The Matrox DV50 codec is available for free download by Matrox.
Mirror download is here: http://www.digitalFAQ.com/forum/show...1937#post11937
Original Matrox site download for VFW codecs is at http://www.matrox.com/video/en/support/downloads

There's a big thread on DV compression here: http://www.digitalFAQ.com/forum/show...pace-2270.html
Give that a good read.

...

If nothing else, moving to the ATI card for capturing will improve your quality, even if you're still forced to use DV compression in order to edit on the Mac.

I wish you well on your project! :)

Eagleaye 11-22-2010 08:30 AM

Many thanks for the reply.
I'm going to try without a TBC in the first instance, they're quite expensive and from what I've seen so far the VHS material seems to be playing well, the D-VHS has a built in TBC, I'll invest if further material starts to deteriorate.
I'll dust off the old PC and make it the dedicated capture machine using Virtualdub, will processor speed (1.8Ghz) or RAM be limiting factors in anyway?
Are you suggesting that, as I will be using FCE to edit the captured footage, I may as well capture using the DV50 codec with Virtualdub, or am I getting the wrong end of the stick?
All my source is PAL and I have captured with that codec (albeit with Videoglide) and it still required conversion to be useable in Final Cut Express.
Is there a "best practice" when moving this type of material from PC to Mac?

admin 11-22-2010 08:54 AM

Can FCE read a DV50 .avi file, as produced by VirtualDub? That's something you may want to test real quick, with a 1-minute capture. What sort of filse will Final Cut Express ingest/import? Surely the help documentation has a list of support input files.

I don't have that particular program, or its documentation, so I can't look it up myself.

The easiest way to move data between MacOS and Windows is to simply use an external hard drive that both machines can see. That generally means FAT32, which has a 4GB limit that's no good for large video files. I suggest NTFS, formatted on the Windows computer.

Then use this on the Mac: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macos...es/ntfs3g.html

Eagleaye 11-25-2010 07:56 AM

hmmm....
so I got the PC out to set it up for Virtualdub and it looks like the AIW 9600 is playing up, getting vertical lines and the like on the bios post screen then after updating the drivers from the original CD the screen stays black and alternates between on and off!
This post probably belongs in a different thread but I'm thinking now it best just to reformat with a fresh copy of XP.
Can you offer any advice on the best way to go about this i.e should I leave the card in situ and let Windows find the drivers for the card, I suspect this would result in the latest drivers being applied, are they not the best to use for my purposes? Should I download the drivers, mmc and catalyst available on these forums or would it be best to install windows with another graphics card and install the AIW once the new OS is installed?

Eagleaye 11-27-2010 09:43 AM

I've come to the conclusion that my AIW 9600 is faulty and need to find a replacement or use the EZCap, that I now know is recognized as a Grabster AV350 in Virtualdub.
Can you advise me on what an AIW card would offer over the USB device if both were used in Virtualdub, so I can make a decision on wether to pay out more money or not.

admin 11-27-2010 01:37 PM

I'm not yet entirely convinced that this is a hardware issue with the ATI card. It does sound like a codec error system-wide. Have you ever installed one of those "codec packs" on the computer, by chance? That will kill a system, with these types of symptoms.

On a related note, I do have three ATI AIW cards available for sale, for $75 each:
1. ATI AIW 128 Pro AGP
2. ATI AIW 7500 AGP
3. ATI AIW 7200 PCI

... should you actually need a new known-good card. These were extras from backup capture systems that were converted to other tasks. The cards were purchased some years back for projects that didn't happen. So like-new, never used, more or less.

The EZCap is not something I'd waste a lot of time with. You can try it, sure, and see how it looks in VirtualDub. But don't expect too much from it. The only cheap $25 card that's known to give good quality is the Aldi Tevion USB2 card.

Eagleaye 11-27-2010 03:34 PM

It's mainly because I see spurious pixels and lines at the post bios screen as well as when XP boots up that I suspect a faulty card together with that I've tried it in two PC's now.
I've read that they can be problematic to install, so that's why I thought it an install problem initially. But be open to any software/install suggestions to make it work.

mlongue1 11-27-2010 03:51 PM

just a quick thought, are there any jumpers on that card that can be adjusted... the reason that I ask is that i just went through that with some old cards that I came across, not aiw's... the cards had an option to be set as 'other' or something like that (can't remember exactly what right now, mind in a thousand directions) and it took me forever to find what it was, and it was probably the reason those cards were discarded, they had been set to 'other' and all the people that had them thought they were bad... just a thought... sitting here watching/listening/sweating through a VERY important football game, doing online tech support, some game blogging, starving, and knowing all my friends are out at the local watering holes watching same game... and after years of tech support, that is what popped into my head... you have probably been through all this already... when I come up with something else I will let you know...

mlongue1 11-27-2010 05:32 PM

Eagleaye, that is an AGP AIW card right?... what AGP release is that?... I see that card can be 2x, 4x, 8x... and what AGP level is the MB(s) that you are installing it in?... some AGP cards can fit into slots they were not intended for, and that may be a cause of this... may be some bios settings to check on the MBs... is that card a direct ATI card, or a proprietary release?... I worked at CompUSA/BestBuy/CircuitCity and some small local outlets around the time that card was released, and I remember that we would have had that 9600 AIW AGP Pro chipset in probably 3-5 different brands... and proprietary drivers can be a b*tch to find...

kpmedia 11-27-2010 09:21 PM

There's not any jumpers on the ATI All In Wonder Radeon AGP cards. The cards are completely setup by drivers in Windows. I've seen jumpers on other graphics and video capture cards -- but not the ATI AIW series cards.

Referring back to earlier posts, it's an ATI All in Wonder 9600 Pro AGP card.

That card is a 2x/4x/8x AGP card, not a 4x/8x only card. Or something like that. There were latter generation AGP slots and cards that were not compatible with earlier generation AGP. The "2006 special edition" ATI AIW AGP card is like that -- it only works in 8x slots. Aside from that, I don't really see how an AGP card could be put into another slot, even if you used a hammer.

The "All In Wonder" cards were not re-released by other brands that I can recall. That was only the graphics cards, from brands like Diamond. The AIW versions were direct from ATI, under the ATI brand.

Can you eliminate the monitor as being the problem? Does it work fine with other computers? I've seen far more bad monitors that bad video cards.

Eagleaye 11-28-2010 02:18 AM

The card has Sapphire stickered on it but I have the original driver CD.
I've tried it in two PC's with two two displays both with the correct monitor drivers, it has also been suggested that the system RAM might cause problems.
I can get it working in XP albeit with spurious pixels but attempting to install the catalyst results in the screen blacking out, I shouldn't get random pattens at BIOS post should I? Would the fact that I can't set the voltage to 0.8 to run it at X8 cause problems?

admin 11-28-2010 01:07 PM

Try to change the AGP aperture to 2x or 4x in the BIOS. Yes, altering voltage or running 8x aperture could cause some problems. I use this card at 4x. And indeed, having pixel/noise problems at POST would indicate hardware error. not that the card is bad, mind you -- just presence of an error. BIOS or motherboard jumper/power settings could be at fault. Same for bad RAM, or other nearby PCI cards that are "leaking" (FM, voltage, etc) from poor shielding or construction.

I've seen all of the these problems.
I've also seen bad cards.
And good cards that were thought to be bad by the owners. Hoping this is you.

What is make/model of your motherboard?
Did you overclock CPU?

Can you get a CPU-Z report? (Image based screencaps, please -- I hate the text output.)
Freeware from http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
I use the "unzippable" version -- not the installer. Just unzip, load cpu-z. Nothing to install/setup.

Eagleaye 12-02-2010 06:29 AM

5 Attachment(s)
I've attached some window grabs from CPU-Z.
The CPU hasn't been overclocked as far as I know, interestingly, after reinstalling the card today to run CPU-Z and letting windows find the drivers, I can't see any pixel noise when running XP although it was still there at the bios screen. I'm wondering if an attempt to install MMC would help matters, would that change any settings on the card itself?

admin 12-02-2010 05:37 PM

Hmmm... not much RAM in there. I generally try to get 1GB minimum. You can pick up DDR chips for a low price these days -- and for name brand quality memory. Either add a chip, or replace the smallest current chip.

Only $35 shipped: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...SIN=B00076ZUZM

Try 4x AGP mode -- change it in the BIOS.

Then install your ATI drivers and the ATI MMC software. Be careful to follow the instructions, and reboot as instructed. Failure to reboot when prompted is a common reason ATI drivers and/or ATI MMC failes to install correctly.

Eagleaye 12-03-2010 02:49 AM

OK I'll put in more RAM, I assume the more the better for capturing.
Would the drivers found by an XP install be suitable?
If not how do I stop a fresh XP install finding the card so that I can install drivers from either the original CD or the downloaded files from this forum.
Another problem I've found is that after trying to install the Catalyst software the display ceases to work, I've almost convinced myself that this card is damaged despite your useful advice. Are there any graphics card diagnostics you're aware of?

kpmedia 12-03-2010 02:57 AM

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I assume the more the better for capturing.
Not really. There is a point of diminishing returns. Anything above 2GB is pretty much pointless. Even 1.5GB is more than adequate. At 1GB, you're mostly watching after the OS and other system related usage. 512MB is a bit small, and would require virtual RAM / paging file, which is hard drive use, which can interrupt smooth data flow from a capture.

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Would the drivers found by an XP install be suitable?
No. Use the disc that came with the card.

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how do I stop a fresh XP install finding the card so that I can install drivers from either the original CD or the downloaded files from this forum
You don't. You just replace the graphics drivers later on. Windows won't understand the capturing parts of the card anyway -- those drivers are not in a Windows XP installer disc, even up to SP3.

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Another problem I've found is that after trying to install the Catalyst software the display ceases to work, I've almost convinced myself that this card is damaged despite your useful advice.
Try the pre-Catalyst files from this site's forum, instead of your CD. (Maybe the card came with the wrong CD?)

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Are there any graphics card diagnostics you're aware of?
Yes. But it's been so many years, I don't remember what they were. And given the sad nature of ATI's site, they're probably long gone now anyway, thanks to AMD gutting the ATI site a few years ago. So I have to effectively change my answer to "no" here, I'm afraid.

Eagleaye 12-09-2010 01:36 PM

Yep must have been a faulty AIW 9600. I've managed to get hold of an AIW 9800 pro now and installed it using the 9600 driver disc that appears to be version 8.7 of the software. I've also sourced some more RAM and dropped in a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card from cira 2000. Hopefully this will be adequate to capture audio.
So now I have a dedicated Windows XP capture machine with HuffYUV and Matrox codecs installed, leaving me with the question of whether to capture using Virtualdub or ATI MMC, are there any advantages of one over the other?

As I still intend to edit in FCE on the Mac I suppose I'll have to do a few test captures using different codecs to see if any can be ingested by FCE, I can't find anywhere a specific list of what FCE can use other than DV Stream.
Is it best practice to capture lossless (is the lagarith codec worth investigating?), filter and convert later?

Nightshiver 12-09-2010 02:48 PM

FCE is a terribly limited program, and can only edit in DV, HDV, and AVCHD formats only. Personally I wouldn't use it, it would be better to edit with something like Sony Vegas or, if you want cheaper solutions but still a robust editor, Womble MPEG Video Wizard.

kpmedia 12-09-2010 03:51 PM

The newest addition here is a Mac mini with OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. It's mostly for the purpose of using Lightroom 3 for digital photography, but I've been running extensive video tests between other tasks.

So far, I can use VirtualDub via Wine, but Lagarith and a few other lossless codecs are the only ones I'm able to install. VirtualDub crashes if you try to crop video. HuffYUV is a no-go Mac-wide, from what I've seen so far. Not even in Wine. The only cross-compatible "codec" is uncompressed 4:2:2 YUY2 video. I've not yet installed my copy of Final Cut Pro, which is a version or two back from the current one. Same for DVDSP. Perian is supposed to maybe add some support for Lagarith or HuffYUV for via Quicktime (including Adobe Premiere), but I've not gotten it to work so far. MainConcept Reference does not see Lagarith files, even with Perian installed. I've also not yet installed Premiere CS3.

This is very much a work in progress. :)

I've also been messing around with various CD/DVD burning and testing tools, including some Linux tool recompiles. So far, I don't have much to show.

By and large, Mac systems were and still are created solely for DV and HDV type video workflows. Trying to make them accept other video formats takes a bit of effort, and choices are still far more limited compared to Windows systems -- or even Linux systems, for that matter.

I don't have the new gigabit switch yet, so I can't try capturing on the ATI MMC systems, transferring, and opening on the Mac just yet. It may be several more weeks before I get everything re-wired and setup. The 10/100 switch currently in use is for basic online access, and downloading small files. Even 4GB files want an hour or more on the 100 network -- so unworkable for now.

If FCE accesses via Quicktime, there's a chance it will allow for Perian imports, too. Something to test.

I'd also like to test the DV50 Matrox ATI capturing method, via VirtualDub.

ATI MMC and VirtualDub work equally well for AVI capturing. Because VirtualDub tends to be a little more non-intuitive to use, ATI MMC is the best choice for most folks. It's only been tested here with uncompressed and HuffYUV AVI, so there could be some unexpected issues with other codecs. I use VirtualDub quite a bit, however.

For MPEG-2 capturing, only use ATI MMC -- nothing else.

rlschoemer 12-10-2010 09:31 AM

AVerTV HD DVR
 
Have been reading this thread. Also building a new capture PC. Was going to use a older Pinnacle Movieboard, well after reading forgeting that idea. Will buy something new or ??, is the AVerTV HD DVR a good board. I do not need a tuner, have a Tivo network right now for TV recording. Any thoughts or suggestions appreicated.

NJRoadfan 12-10-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rlschoemer (Post 13524)
Have been reading this thread. Also building a new capture PC. Was going to use a older Pinnacle Movieboard, well after reading forgeting that idea. Will buy something new or ??, is the AVerTV HD DVR a good board. I do not need a tuner, have a Tivo network right now for TV recording. Any thoughts or suggestions appreicated.

I own the HD DVR PCIe card. Analog capture quality is pretty good, no AGC issues that I can detect thus far. The main issue I had with the board is that it has a problem with weak/unstable/non-standard video signals. A TBC is a must with this card if you plan on doing VHS/Betamax transfers. The board does have a target market for video gamers wanting to record HD gameplay footage and thats what the majority of the capture demos show. I'm probably one of the only few people out there actually using this card for SD capturing. Note that the USB version is completely different from the PCIe card. The USB version has a built in MPEG encoder and lacks DirectShow drivers, while the PCIe card captures uncompressed and uses software codecs and has generic DirectShow capture device support.

rlschoemer 12-10-2010 09:26 PM

Thanks - I have the TBC-1000 and the elite BVP+. Prior setup went from JVC S-VHS thru devices to MP6000. Finally need to do some editing. Hence capture to PC. I am assuming that it is helpful to still use the TBC & BVP to do some pre-capture adjustment. Was planning on using Sony Vegas software, no problem with capture from HD DVR card I hope.

Eagleaye 12-11-2010 07:20 AM

Can anyone offer any advice on how to internally connect the AIW 9800 to the santa cruz sound card, I've found the guide on the forum for connecting to an AIW 9600 but have no idea on how the the connector on the 9600 correlates to the 9800, is it the line out?
Also I assume when connecting audio from the VCR it will be to the sound card inputs with just the S-Video going to the purple box?

admin 12-11-2010 07:59 AM

Ideally the audio card will link to the ATI AIW card internally, via the AUX cable, and then you'll use the purple break-out box / dongle for both video and audio. Did you see this? http://www.digitalFAQ.com/forum/show...-ati-2292.html

The 9600 and 9800 should be the same, as are all ATI AIW AGP cards.

admin 12-11-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rlschoemer (Post 13532)
Thanks - I have the TBC-1000 and the elite BVP+. Prior setup went from JVC S-VHS thru devices

All good gear.

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Finally need to do some editing. Hence capture to PC. ..... Was planning on using Sony Vegas software,
That's a good non-linear editor.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.ht...reative=390957

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I am assuming that it is helpful to still use the TBC & BVP to do some pre-capture adjustment.
Yes. :)

Eagleaye 12-11-2010 09:17 AM

So essentially the audio is "passed through" the 9800 to be handled by the TB Santa Cruz via the purple box.
I did see the very useful post you mention but just wanted clarification that the connection was from the the AIW to the sound card. On the 9800 the connector is labelled "line out" but unlabeled on the 9600. The 9800 also has an orange connector that I don't know the purpose of.
Another thought occurs, now I've put in a sound card do I need to remove any connections from the motherboard to case speakers that handled the built in sound?
After getting this far I just don't want to end up breaking something by connecting the wrong bits to each other.

lordsmurf 12-11-2010 11:17 AM

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So essentially the audio is "passed through" the 9800 to be handled by the TB Santa Cruz via the purple box.
Yes.

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clarification that the connection was from the the AIW to the sound card. On the 9800 the connector is labelled "line out" but unlabeled on the 9600. The 9800 also has an orange connector that I don't know the purpose of.
I would use the internal wiring method shown in that post, not the external loopback.

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now I've put in a sound card do I need to remove any connections from the motherboard to case speakers that handled the built in sound?
Disable on-board sound in the BIOS. Hit DEL or F2 or whatever, when the computer starts from a cold/hard boot, to access the BIOS screens.

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After getting this far I just don't want to end up breaking something by connecting the wrong bits to each other.
With audio, the most that would happen is loud static. BZZZZZZZZZT! :D:p

Eagleaye 12-12-2010 02:18 PM

I seem to have everything connected now (after a bit trouble trying to find an internal audio cable, reinstalling the mmc and resolving a couple of audio issues) and now able to capture video.
My first impression as that the video looks cleaner than the USB device captures but I'll take a closer look at that.
One thing I've noticed when using Virtualdub to capture is that the video jitters in the preview window while capturing although the resulting file plays fine, is this normal?
It's certainly more straight forward to use the ATI MMC, but the expanded options available in Virtualdub appeals to me more.

admin 12-12-2010 06:45 PM

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the video jitters in the preview window while capturing although the resulting file plays fine
It can be. As long as the final file is okay, then I'd consider it a non-issue. Preview is quirky, period. The most important issue is watching to see if you have any dropped frames, and that the framerate stays where it is supposed to. Audio should also not lose sync for than a few milliseconds (or +/- ms).

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My first impression as that the video looks cleaner than the USB device captures
Most probable. :)

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It's certainly more straight forward to use the ATI MMC, but the expanded options available in Virtualdub appeals to me more.
True. But some of the VDub advanced features, while present, should not actually be used. Many of the video filters, for example, are not fit for live capturing (i.e. realtime filtering). Again, watch the frame drops and audio sync on the on-screen reporting.

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after a bit trouble trying to find an internal audio cable, reinstalling the mmc and resolving a couple of audio issues
And after your first DVDs (or whatever) are made, your first thought is going to be "Wow, that really was worth it!" -- just you wait and see!

Eagleaye 12-16-2010 05:08 AM

I'm now trying to do some further trials and comparisons and have some further questions I hoping to get help with.
Should I be able to capture with the Matrox codecs in Virtualdub?
I can't see were to select them, do I need to install them for Virtualdub. I recall being able to select them when capturing with ATI MMC, although I'm away from the PC at the moment so can't confirm.
Also am I right that in the UK PAL-I is the right standard to set options for?
Finally kpmedia says above that if capturing MPEG-2 only use ATI MMC, in what sort of instance would I be better using this? If I were transferring commercial VHS to a media player?

lordsmurf 12-16-2010 12:49 PM

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Should I be able to capture with the Matrox codecs in Virtualdub?
Possibly. I recently tried this on my 9600 card, and it crashed. However, I could capture fine with my ATI 600 USB. It may be an error strictly on that computer, however, as I've not had time to test further.

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I can't see were to select them, do I need to install them for Virtualdub.

Did you install the Matrox VFW codecs? Those install system-wide. Then all you have to do is select the proper "compression" as it's called in VirtualDub, from the various settings options.

In not, install files at http://www.digitalFAQ.com/forum/show...html#post11937

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am I right that in the UK PAL-I is the right standard to set options for
If you're capturing PAL tapes from most of Europe or Australia, yes.

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Finally kpmedia says above that if capturing MPEG-2 only use ATI MMC, in what sort of instance would I be better using this? If I were transferring commercial VHS to a media player?
Any DVD-ready MPEG-2 is best capturing in ATI MMC. For that matter, I'd say any MPEG-2, period, is best captured in ATI MMC. The Matrox codecs are good, but are unassisted like the ATI MMC would be, meaning possible dropped frames on slower systems. I tend to only suggest the Matrox codecs on faster single CPUs (2.8Ghz+) or dual-core/quad-core computers.

That answer everything for you?

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Eagleaye 12-16-2010 01:59 PM

So there are no further install steps for the codecs then.
The Matrox codecs are installed but I can only see No recompression: YUY2 and Huffyuw v2.1.1 when selecting compression in the capture window of Virtualdub, although confirmed as being available in ATI MMC.
I've also just seen that the're available in the "viewer" part of Virtualdub, so looks like you just can't capture with them.

lordsmurf 12-16-2010 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagleaye (Post 13632)
so looks like you just can't capture with them.

That may be the case, for this exact card, on these exact drivers, using this specific version of the Matrox cards. Any variation thereof could change that. But you're probably best left to capture with ATI MMC for any and all MPEG recording. Use VirtualDub for lossless or compressed AVI.

As an extra note, Matrox MPEG writes into an AVI wrapper, which can be a nuisance anyway. I'd much rather have the straight MPEG files left as an MPEG file, and not wrapped.


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