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ATI All In Wonder Hacks, Drivers, Codecs and MMC
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If you're looking for help installing an ATI All In Wonder Radeon card, then you've found the right place. :)
On the following three pages, you'll find dozens of driver downloads, ISOs of installer CDs, ATI Multimedia Center (ATI MMC) setups, and general information on the entire ATI video capture/recording card series since 2000. To download files, you'll simply need to be a Free Member or Premium Member. If you have any questions, either reply to this thread or create a new one in the capturing forum. Which version ATI card -- AGP vs PCI vs PCI express - If you're using the ATI All In Wonder 128 Pro card, please read the special ATI MMC 8.x + ATI 128 Pro hack guide. - If you're using the ATI All In Wonder Radeon PCI or AGP cards, posts #1 through #5 apply. - If you're using the ATI All In Wonder Radeon PCI express cards, post #48 has the files you need. - If you're using the ATI 600 series cards, go here: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...i-600-usb.html - If you're using the ATI 650 series cards, go here: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...i-650-usb.html ATI "copy protection" Problems ? There are four hacks inside the attached RAR archive, and I suggest you try ATI-MV-Hack.zip first. Try the 2005 Driver Replacement next. Only use these if you need them, they are not a requirement of using the ATI capture guides. These files are also not guaranteed to work on all systems. These are provided because the Macrovision/anti-copy schemes used on these older ATI All In Wonder cards are ridiculously over-sensitive -- as it is with many capture cards and DVD recorders, not just ATI cards!! -- and wrongly prevent the conversion of home recorded videos. A good external TBC is a better guaranteed-to-work method. More Notes...
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I will slowly be replacing all downloads in this thread. Why? - years ago, max attach size was a whopping 8mb. - some years later, yet still years ago, max attach size was 32mb - current size is 99mb, so new uploads will have less multipart downloads, if multiple parts at all Note: This post is being made 1-20-2021, and is falsely being backdated by Site Staff, so that it appears on the 2nd post of this thread. So no talk of these pages being "old" or "outdated". All AIW topics are evergreen now, nothing will change. |
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More installers, added by request. :)
archived stats: ATI-611-Catalyst-Installer (431 downloads) ATI-MMC-902 (479 downloads) |
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Attached in this post is the ATI All-In-Wonder installation CD 181-G01116-110, which came with one of the
````````````````````````````````````````````````` Update: I've had to strike out some of the above text, and update this post. Although one might think that "181" comes after "180", it's simply not the case. The 180 series discs came with later 9000 series cards, while 181 series discs appear to have come from 7000 series cards. Rather than delete this post, or it's attachments, I'll simply leave it up for anybody that may want it. A new post has be created, and the proper 9000 series installer CD can be found further down this page: Shortcut link: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...html#post14940 ````````````````````````````````````````````````` This is a multi-part RAR file containing an ISO image. If you're not sure what to do with the attached RAR files, then read this help post. Simply burn the ISO to a CD-R or CD-RW -- not a DVD -- using ImgBurn. Or as an alternative method, mount the ISO as virtual CD drive, using Gizmo Drive, Magic ISO or Daemon Lite. |
ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon cards (PCI and AGP) had two styles of install.
From 2000 to mid 2003, there were at least three separate installers that had to be installed in a specific order. The installers were:
When installed in the wrong order, it was difficult to uninstall and start over. At one time, ATI even had a "ATI removal" tool, to help in this process. Latter generation cards had added optional installers, to be installed after the core three installers, which included some Windows Media encoding options, as well as the TV guides and remote control features. You often found yourself installing 6-7 things on the new 2003 model cards. For example, you'll notice how I've labeled the files 1st-5th on the v6168 package (the last ATI installer from the "separate installer" era):
After the various drivers and control panels were installed, you installed ATI Multimedia Center (ATI MMC), that was used for capturing video, or to timer record TV shows. Then and now, this was the best tool for this card, having been designed specifically for the hardware.
A lot of people whinged/whined and complained in forums about this (or in reviews online), but this was still a very mild install procedure compared to other complex/professional video cards of the era, such as Matrox or Avid hardware. The realtime Matrox cards, with their heavy Adobe suite integration, made ATI installation look simple. I still firmly believe the complaints were all related to lazy users and/or people that did not read the instructions. It was rare to find a legitimate install issue, when instructions were read and followed. It was not a dummy-friendly hardware/software combo, it took some effort to set up -- you couldn't just cram a disc in a CD drive, hit "go" and walk away, returning 10 minutes later ready to record some TV. I hope this historical insight helps clarify the variances in files. :) |
ATI All In Wonder card models:
Just to add in some useful information, the following list is for the only ATI All In Wonder cards that could use ATI Multimedia Center (ATI MMC) versions 8-9. These PCI and AGP cards are often referred to as the "classic" series of cards on this site. More on that in the history writeup below. PCI: (Rage Theatre chipset)
History of ATI AIW Radeon cards: The PCI and AGP cards are what many of us call the "classic" ATI cards, because they were well respected, and were developed at a time when ATI was heavily into both graphics and video processing. The cards not only worked, they worked well! In the early 2000s, ATI was actually giving professional video companies like Canopus and Matrox a hard time, cutting into their NLE card business. Why buy a $2K Canopus DVstorm or Matrox RTX card when you could get an ATI for $200-400? After all, all of them could do MPEG-2, DV and uncompressed 4:2:2 AVI with excellent results. The extra $1.5K could go towards other expenses, such as software or even the rest of the computer. Matrox even tried to compete with ATI, with their lower-cost Matrox G450 card. The Rage Theatre chipset, used with ATI MMC, was reported to be a hybrid hardware/software MPEG encoding system, based off the professional Ligos GoMotion MPEG encoding technology. The updated Theatre 200 card refined the quality of video input, as well as offloaded about 5-10% more of the MPEG processing into the chip and off of the main system CPU. The 7000 cards originally shipped with ATI MMC version 7, which was decent but lacked some of the features that really made these cards work well. ATI MMC 8 brought more recording features, including the well-liked "VideoSoap" option that allowed for filtering of the video -- restoration of cleanup. The ATI AIW 128 Pro required a hack to use v8, using files found on this site, but the others natively accepted the v8 upgrade. When AMD bought ATI in 2006, the video applications were tossed to the side, with ATI being gutted for their GPU abilities, to fortify AMD products. Intel had long had in-house Intel graphics abilities, and now AMD had ATI in-house. Even into 2010, the AMD ATI site was largely full of broken links and missing information -- some of which appears to have been restored after a multi-year absence. The PCI Express cards were built later in the ATI AIW generation, at a time when consumers were demanding more of a "PVR" recording style from computer cards. A PVR, or personal video recorder, simply records television and is not really made with general video input capturing in mind -- for example, VHS to DVD. The latter versions of ATI MMC 9.x required by the PCI-E generation of cards also removed or limited some recording options coveted during the "classic" years, such as VideoSoap. There was also more emphasis on MPEG-4 recording, even though it made for a horrible capture format. You'll note that this All-In-Wonder card list does not match the list at Wikipedia. I firmly believe there are mistakes on that list, even when sources are given. My information is based on a decade of accumulated research and first-hand experience. Beyond that, my list closely matches the official "by chipset" list from AMD's December 2010 site. In my opinion, it's also an issue of authority -- this site is well known for its information on using ATI All In Wonder cards, through the efforts of site members like lordsmurf, whereas Wikipedia is not. The major "problem" of the ATI All In Wonder series is that Windows left it behind. With AMD now focusing on new GPU related products, legacy products did not receive video-related updates to function correctly in Windows XP MCE, Windows Vista or Windows 7. You have to build a system around Windows XP, on a good AGP motherboard. For most serious video hobbyists and professionals, that's really not an issue, as the machine is built specifically for video capturing, and not as a general-use family computer. KVMs are used to keep overall desk footprints small. It's honestly near-impossible to replace a quality ATI All In Wonder card, even by spending $500-1000 or more. |
Hello Admins,
Could you upload the 8.8 version of MMC with the necessary extra installers. I see you have 8.7 and then jump to the catalyst installer. It seems that 8.8 is the version to use for capturing through an AIW card. Thanks for putting all these in one place.:D |
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I just bought an ATI TV Wonder HD 600 PCIE card, part number TVW600PCIEV. Will the Macrovision hacks posted work with it?
If I have posted to the wrong thread please let me know, a bit new at this. Thanks, dad2. |
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One of the installer CDs was just added to post #4 above. // Shortcut link: http://www.digitalFAQ.com/forum/show....html#post9470
In total, I have six original CDs archived.
Beyond that, everything was obtained via downloads from now-gone ATI.com archives, or custom hacks/drivers shared amongst the then-active ATI community. I even have some obscure things, like ATI AIW drivers for Windows 3.1, though I never did test that one. In total, there's 4.13GB of files. Due to size, files are only uploaded as needed or requested. Some of them are redundant anyway. Files can be uploaded on request. We'll continue to support this card, even if nobody else will. :) |
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Although I have Windows XP, will those ISOs work on Windows 7? (I'd really like to see more ISOs here so I could test which version is best for me, even the Windows 3.1 version would be nice. Unfortunately the latest MMC downloads at AMD don't work, the setup just exits without saying anything.) |
ATI MMC will not work with Windows Vista or Windows 7, according to user tests and comments made in this forum in the past two years. Windows XP is required. Unless a card specifically requires Windows Vista or Windows 7 (which almost none do), you'll get the best capture experience -- with ANY card -- using Windows XP. Put together a second system, based on Windows XP, specifically for capturing video. You can use a KVM to share monitor, mouse, keyboard and speakers with your newer Windows Vista or Win7 computer.
You'll find the 9000 series install CD in post #4 in this thread. This specific CD should contain ATI MMC v8.8. |
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I tested that ISO and it turned out to be MMC 7.1. Maybe the MMC version depends on the card type? I have AIW128-PCI. I'd be very happy if there would be more ISOs to try. Even the Windows 3.1 one. :) Thank you and very kind regards |
Second: Does anyone know where MMC stores the channel frequencies? I need to manually add my VHS videorecorder to the cable channels list, as I don't want to do a full scan each time I switch from videorecorder to TV and vice versa. This is because some TV cable channel uses the same frequencies as my videorecorder, so I need to change cabling each time.
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There's also a chance it's stored in the tuner hardware firmware. This was asked 10 years ago on Rage3D, but was never answered then, either. At this late date, an analog tuner won't pick up much of anything (possibly NOTHING) in our now-digital broadcast era. |
I have an ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon X600 Pro, and I’m trying to turn off its annoying Macrovision “feature.” I tried using the ATI-MV-Hack, but it didn’t work - so I tried to use the 2005 Driver Replacement method by copying the ativmvxx.ax (2005) file into the Windows/System32 directory as suggested. Unfortunately some kind of self-preservation feature seems to be activated, and within seconds Windows XP has copied back the newer 2008 file I was trying to overwrite. I’m guessing it’s probably some kind of anti-hacking technology in Windows. Any suggestions on how to make the overwrite stick?
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However, to truly rid yourself of all anti-copy detection, false or genuine, you simply need to purify the video signal. Remember that anti-copy is an artificial signal noise, and over-sensitive recording devices (which is 99% of them) often confuse any signal noise with the artificial anti-copy noise. To purify a signal, your best solution is to use a full-frame external timebase corrector (or TBC). Read this: What is a TBC? Time Base Correction for Videotapes A TBC will always work, even if detection-removal hacks do not. |
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Attached in this post is the ATI All-In-Wonder installation CD 180-V01084-100, which came with one of the 9000-series ATI AIW Radeon AGP cards, and features ATI MMC 8.8 and the Catalyst drivers of that era. This install CD was tested with an ATI AIW 9200 and an ATI AIW 9600 cards, and found to work perfectly.
This is a multi-part RAR file containing an ISO image. If you're not sure what to do with the attached RAR files, then read this help post. Simply burn the ISO to a CD-R or CD-RW -- not a DVD -- using ImgBurn. Or as an alternative method, mount the ISO as virtual CD drive, using Gizmo Drive, Magic ISO or Daemon Lite. |
@admin: Thank you for the updates! I will try the ISO above on my AIW128-PCI as soon as possible. :)
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The only PCI card that will work with the ISO files is the PCI edition of the ATI AIW 7500 Radeon card. Keep that in mind. :) |
It is as you said: The ATI All-In-Wonder installation CD 180-V01084-100 does not work with AIW128-PCI cards, I tested it. The setup process just quits without any notice.
May I ask for a 8000 series ATI AIW Radeon AGP cards ISO image? |
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@admin: May I ask if you have an ISO that contains MMC 7.7 for my AIW128-PCI card ?
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Here you go. :D
In order to install ATI MMC 7.7, I believe you first have to install ATI MMC 7.1 or 7.5. I've included both of those. The only difference between 7.1 and 7.5 is the DVD player, which may not be important. But, for the sake of archives, I've added it anyway. What I don't have are ATI 128 non-Pro drivers. However, Windows XP should already have a driver for the graphics. And then some of the earlier multi-part installers should work for the capturing drivers and other non-MMC components. Let me know how this works for you. :) If you have any changes, please reply with those, to help others. :thumb: |
Thank you very much! I will try the files on my AIW128-PCI card as soon as possible. :)
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The MMC update doesn't work: Unfortunately "ATI MMC 7.7 Update.rar" needs an installed MMC 7.6. :(
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Here, let's try this one instead. :)
I had to dig around for a while in old files until I located this. It didn't seem to be with all the other ATI MMC files, as it was supposed to. In fact, I found a bunch of really old ATI MMC version 6 installers! Now that's old. This particular ATI MMC v7 sub-version is just for the basic capturing (TV) and playback tools, and is noted as "noDVD" because it does not come with the DVD player software. I think that's what I was remembering -- you had to install the full with-DVD ATI MMC 7.5, then "upgrade" to ATI MMC 7.7 with the full file (not the 7.6 to 7.7 update I posted earlier), in order to keep DVD + the new ATI MMC 7.7. I would mention, however, that the ATI DVD player is rather crappy compared to what exists now. Even the freeware VLC is better, amongst others. It's no competition for the commercial WinDVD or PowerDVD. Just worry about getting the TV capture tool up and running. Let me know how this one works for you. :thumb: |
ALL In Wonder X1800 XL DVB-T
Hi, I have the above card and after many years I have decided to re install it on a computer running XP Home.
I ahve followed all the install instructions but it seems that the Radeon AIW Digital driver is missing. Was this supported in later versions of MMC? I have version 9.16 installed. Have tried version 9.1 (on install cd) but this does not work either. I am new to this board and hope that I have asked a question that is ok on this thread, sorry if not! |
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Thanks for your interest! I have an ATI All in Wonder x1800 xl card. And when I try to use the tv tuner to tune in Digital channels there is no option to 'tune in' DVB-T channels just analogue.
In the ATI Multimedia Centre Configuration panel i have the option to select Radion AIW Digital as an input source along with the ATI AVStream Analogue source. If I ensure they are both in the 'Selected Input' column and exit the configuration panel and open the tv tuner in the Advanced settings under the Scan for channels option there is no Radion AIW Digital source option only Analogue. If I select only the Radeon AIW Digital option in the Configuration menu and not the analogue source, close the panel down and try to start the tv tuner it will not let me as it says 'The tv player failed to initialize', then it suggests that i check that the correct video driver is installed, but there does not appear to be any drivers missing unless i need a driver! Which Is why I am seeking help here. Many thanks |
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"The tv player failed to initialize" errors are almost always related to overlay mode on the video card. In some cases, it means the graphics drivers are not installed. In other cases, it's simply an issue of having conflicting software open. For example, video software players like VLC, or video editors like Womble MPEG-VCR, also use overlay. Be sure you're only running ATI MMC, and nothing else. |
Hi folks, I'm brand new to the forums. Thank you for this resource and all the information you provide. I appreciate it and am considering becoming a premium member. Just wanted to share this excellent deal with you all.
Okay okay, in all seriousness, there are a bunch of AIW X800XLs for $36 with free shipping here. They are the PAL version. I have some questions about them:
I ask these questions for myself and for anyone else searching. In case it affects the answers, I am new to analog video capture and to start want to digitize a large number of VHS tapes with the best quality possible within reason. At my disposal are two systems endowed with 8GB/12GB of RAM, quad core i5 CPUs at 3.6GHz/3.8GHz, and RAID arrays of varying sizes that can handle around 500MBps read and write speeds. I can set up a separate rig running XP to dedicate to video capture. I am in the habit of working with uncompressed video to prevent generation loss. |
Yikes! That's actually a wee bit pricey for an ATI AIW card these days, even if it is for the PCI express bus lines. In all honesty, the reason ATI cards were so pricey ($300+ new) was because of the graphics chips. As time presses on, the graphics chips become next to worthless, dropping the price down into the $75-100 range for a complete working All In Wonder card. The person asking $165 for a bare card is delusional.
... and I see that you already understand this. (That's what happens when you reply as you read posts!) Those specific ATI AIW cards for $36 are incomplete. In other words, useless and worthless until you buy all the required wires. You need the purple input (or domino edition). You need the graphics output wire bundle (VGA). You'll also need the video output wire bundle (composite, s-video, audio loopback), which plugs into the graphics bundle. Without those items, you're pretty much screwed. Expect to pay about $15 each for those, if you can find them. So that $36 deal will be about $75-100 when you're done acquiring parts, and paying shipping. Now, on to your questions... 1. PAL and NTSC refer only to the tuner. Analog tuners are mostly meaningless now anyway, in the era of digital television (DTV). The composite and s-video inputs on all ATI All In Wonder cards can capture both NTSC and PAL, as well as several other variants (PAL-60 or SECAM, for example). 2. One ATI All In Wonder graphics card per computer. If you want to capture from three sources at once, you'll need three computers. And because of how volatile capturing can be, you can't even KVM the systems. You'll often drop frames trying to KVM computers while they're in process of capturing. 3. To sum it all up: Yes. Everything has an affect or effect on capturing. You need a minimum of about 1.5Ghz, but you're not really safe until you get past 2.0Ghz (single core). If you're using a multi-core computer, refer to the individual core clock speed. A dual-core 1.7Ghz will be worse than a single-core at 2.0Ghz or 3.0Ghz. RAM isn't as big of an issue, so simply use what's needed to keep the system stable. Ideally, 1GB or more is suggested. Your hard drive needs to be 5400rpm or faster, and 7200rpm is suggested. Or faster. Don't use RAID -- it just complicates the issue. 4. Maximum resolution on an ATI All In Wonder card is 768x576, however that may be interpolated slightly. Native capturing chipset size is somewhere between 704x480 and 720x480. Or x576. They all varied a bit, and it's been far too long since I paid much attention to those exact measurements. It was generally accepted that 704x480 (Broadcast D1) and 704x576 were the true capture sizes of the card. Everything else is scaled. Note that this is one reason why 352x480 appeared so clean and sharp, being an exact half of 704. Compare this to many cards with a 720 or 768 native chip size, which often created slightly blurry 352 video (Hauppauge PVR cards, for example). 5. There are three basic levels of cards: Rage Theatre, Theatre 200, and Theatre 200 PCI-E. The original Rage Theatre chipset is fine, nothing wrong with it, a hardware-assisted MPEG encode. Theatre 200 added about 5% more hardware assist. And then the PCI-E versions of the cards also added pure hardware encoding for a few preset sizes/bitrates, though the "software" (hardware assisted) encoding is still suggested. Unless you're trying to nitpick for technical reasons, it's close enough to say that all cards behave the same. 6. You have to use Windows XP x86 (32-bit). No x64, no Vista, no Windows 7. If available, I suggest using Windows XP Pro SP2. Not SP1, not SP3. Not Home, not Media Center Edition (MCE). Windows XP Pro SP2 is the most stable version of Windows XP. (SP3 is also stable, but adds a bunch of online "security" crap that's not really essential to a system built for video capturing. You'll have to disable most of it, if you do use SP3. Otherwise it may tank a capture with silly warnings and nuisance pop-up alerts.) Your system would probably work fine, without the RAID drives. The extra RAM would be wasted beyond 3GB (anywhere from 3.25GB to 3.75GB, depending on the BIOS). I'd seriously just build with 2GB, and call it good. Your proposed systems actually sounds more like a server hardware setup than it does a capture workstation. Don't make the mistake of simply trying to build a really powerful computer. Capturing doesn't really need lots of power -- it just needs the proper components. Save the powerful systems for video editing/encoding workstations, as that's where the power comes into play. And one more thing ... welcome to the site. :) |
I bought one of the below from this seller, works great and comes complete with in/out cables and is exactly as advertised. That along with a Dell Dimension 4600 with XP a neighbour gave me has made quite a difference in capturing my VHS tapes (well, yes I'm still learning!)
Thank you El Smurf for the very easy to read tutorials for using the software which this card uses, both video and sound. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT |
WOW you don't know how long i have been looking for The AIW 9600 Original Software CD...!!! this is great. Now will the later version of MMC like 9.15?
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ATI AIW 9600 PRO - Arrived - Tried Install
PC - Intel 478, 2.0 GHZ, 1 GB Ram, 40 GB HDD, AGP. (dell gx260 from my garage :-))
Replaced original FX 5200 with ATi AIW 9600 Pro, plugged in cables and purple box. Downloaded drivers from here. Tried the (ISO first - 180_V01084_100) recommended for AIW 9600, installs but hangs on reboot(1 error on install ATI WDM Rage Theater Video, this device cannot start (code 10). I had 32 bit XP SP3 done in the morning while waiting for the card to arrive in mail. but XP SP2 base image was readily available :-) expected the ride to be rough. So put the SP2 base Image on, reinstall. Hangs again. Restore the base image again this time installed the 611/8.7 in sequence recommended. (the 2nd task fails with inf error) continued install until the end. Ati bar showed up after boot (8.7 mmc). didnt see a capture option anywhere. So right now its a mess, will reload image and see if I can figure out the issue. That iso CD which is recommended for 9600 cards may not be ideal for 9600 PRO or there is something in 32 bit XP SP2 which conflicts... or maybe the way I am setup (right now in textbook mode). Open to try any ideas as reload from image is a 5 minute task. |
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