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DeeSeven 11-26-2013 08:18 PM

Is there a Betamax VCR buying guide?
 
Does anyone have any knowledge about a good solid betamax player? I'm not looking for the Sony Super Betamax SL-HF1000 which goes for like 600-900 on ebay lol. I'm looking for something that isn't bottom of the barrel but not super high tech either. Basically a player that works and plays tapes :P

volksjager 11-27-2013 03:14 PM

Beta is really hampered by the fact they never made a good TBC equipped deck
even worse there is only 3 Beta model ever made with S-video:
SL-HF2100
EDV-7500
EDV-9500.
those should be the ones to look for.

all others are composite only - even the SL-HF1000
if you absolutely have to go the cheap route
these are probably the best of the composite only decks:
SL-HF1000
SL-HF870D
SL-HF860D
SL-HF840D
SL-HF750
SL-HF900

dont even bother with any non-Sony Beta - they are all junk and way too old
Sony was the only Beta maker after around 1986 and you should avoid anything even Sonys made before then.

lordsmurf 12-14-2013 07:12 AM

I'm stickying this. :congrats:

volksjager 12-14-2013 07:23 AM

i will also ad there are a couple industrial beta model as well
these are just industrial versions of the consumer models
like the EDW-30F is the same as a EDV-9500
and the GCS-50 is just a tunerless SL-HF1000

volksjager 12-14-2013 07:33 AM

LS - perhaps just ad it in to the buying guide
i simplified it a bit

Beta models with S-video
these will be the very best for tape transfers:
SL-HF2100
EDV-9500 / EDW-30F
EDV-7500


all other Betas are composite only
these are the best of the composite only Beta decks:
SL-HF1000 / GCS-50
SL-HF870D
SL-HF860D
SL-HF840D
SL-HF750
SL-HF900

dont even bother with any non-Sony Beta - they are all junk and way too old
Sony was the only Beta maker after around 1986 and you should avoid anything even Sonys made much before then.

lordsmurf 12-14-2013 07:49 AM

Rather than sticky it, I'm going to incorporate the info into the VCR buying guide. I want to do that with Video8/Hi8 as well. Again, one of your posts is going to be very useful here.

There's a "New Guides" folder in the queue. I've dragged this there for my attention later this month.

juhok 12-14-2013 08:07 AM

This is a good baseline for PAL Betamax : http://www.palsite.com/models.html & http://www.palsite.com/home.html

volksjager 12-14-2013 08:08 AM

so far i got this list going for 8mm
it is not complete but a start

Hi8 stereo with TBC:
CCD-TRV62
CCD-TRV65
CCD-TRV66
CCD-TRV67
CCD-TRV72
CCD-TRV82
CCD-TRV85
CCD-TRV87
CCD-TRV93
CCD-TRV99
CCD-TRV101
CCD-TRV615

Hi8 mono with TBC:
CCD-TRV68
CCD-TRV88
CCD-TRV98
CCD-TRV108
CCD-TRV138
CCD-TRV308
CCD-TRV318
CCD-TRV608

Digtial 8 with video8/Hi8 playback:
DCR-TRV120
DCR-TRV230
DCR-TRV240
DCR-TRV320
DCR-TRV330
DCR-TRV340
DCR-TRV350
DCR-TRV460
DCR-TRV530
DCR-TRV720
DCR-TRV730
DCR-TRV740
DCR-TRV820
DCR-TRV830
DCR-TRV840

juhok 12-14-2013 08:19 AM

PAL Video8/Hi8 decks by 1ivanka : http://www.1ivanka.de/GB/GB_05_Tabelle.htm

volksjager 12-14-2013 09:10 AM

there is also 3 TBC equipped Hi8 NTSC decks:
EV-S3000
EV-S5000
EV-S7000

and also a few hi8/d8 walkmans have TBC

the decks/walkmans tend to be harder to find and much more expensive and offer no benefits over the cams.

WestRGB 08-15-2020 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by volksjager (Post 29130)
Beta is really hampered by the fact they never made a good TBC equipped deck
even worse there is only 3 Beta model ever made with S-video:
SL-HF2100
EDV-7500
EDV-9500.
those should be the ones to look for.

all others are composite only - even the SL-HF1000
if you absolutely have to go the cheap route
these are probably the best of the composite only decks:
SL-HF1000
SL-HF870D
SL-HF860D
SL-HF840D
SL-HF750
SL-HF900

dont even bother with any non-Sony Beta - they are all junk and way too old
Sony was the only Beta maker after around 1986 and you should avoid anything even Sonys made before then.

Hope you don't mind a reply to an ancient thread.

When working with Betamax, is native S-Video output considered superior to composite?

I know that in the world of Laserdisc, the discs themselves are encoded with composite video. So even when they have S-Video output, there are better more modern comb filters available that can separate the luma and chroma signals. I'm not sure how Betamax is encoded.

I guess my question would be, in a head-to-head combat, which of the following workflows would produce superior results?

SL-HF2100 S-Video --> AVT-8710 --> ATI 600 Capture Card

SL-HF900 Composite --> Panasonic DMR-ES15 pass-through --> AVT-8710 --> ATI 600 Capture Card

latreche34 08-15-2020 08:50 PM

Betamax is no different than VHS, so yes S-Video produces better output for all Betamax tape speeds, I. II ...all the way to ED beta which can only be played back by an ED beta machine by the way.

Capture workflows have to be tested first before judging but you can't go wrong with the first one.

lingyi 08-16-2020 01:12 AM

Add the EDV-5000, EDV-6000 and EDV-8000 NTSC, Japan only to the ED Beta line. All have S-Video out and have been showing up on eBay the past few years.

Edit: Also the EDV-7300 and EDV-9300. Japanese equivalents to the EDV-7500 and EDV-9300.

latreche34 08-16-2020 04:43 AM

EDV-7300 and 9300 are Canadian models, The Japanese equivalent to 7500 and 7300 is 7000 and to 9500 and 9300 is 9000. The voltage is 100V in Japan, I would stay away from any Japanese deck without a power transformer.


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