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Originally Posted by Sonic76
I have an Sony SLV-E 811 (European Version) video recorder and Magix Video saver for video capturing.
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Don't expect good results from either of those devices.
The SONY SLV machine (I used to own one) will make a good tape rewinder but a poor capture machine. Get something much, much, much better. The PAL listing located at
http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...html#post37136 lists the Panasonic NV-HS950 as a recommended player, among others.
Stop wasting your time with
Magix. Get a real capture card. Pick a genuinely excellent device from this ATI legacy series for Windows XP machines:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...html#post13441
or newer alternatives from these makers, available in the UK & Europe:
- Hauppauge 610 USB2 capture stick (
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hauppauge-0.../dp/B003Q2ZA36)
- Diamond Multimedia VC500 USB (
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Diamond-Mul...mputers&ie=UTF)
- The ATI 600 TV Wonder USB 2, if you can find one.
The recommended capture devices are for lossless capture and restoration using
VirtualDub or similar software. If you don't want lossless capture but prefer to record directly to final delivery formats like DVD with no intention of image cleanup, you're wasting money, time and effort with capture cards. You should find a good DVD recorder and record directly to DVD and play with a good VHS player. DVD's can burned to disc and copied to a PC for simple cut-and-join edits with smart rendering editors without re-encoding.
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Originally Posted by Sonic76
So now i have search for hours and found out that i maybe need a VCR with TBC or Time Base Corrector.
Then i have found treads that i may need Canopus ADVC 300 or AV-Tool-AVT-8710-Multi-Standard-Time-Base-Corrector to capture with, or am i wrong here?
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The second sentence is nonsense. The Canopus card and the AVt-8710 are two completely different devices and cannot replace each other. Canopus in particular makes spurious and dubious claims about having built-in tbc, but their so-called tbc doesn't work. We would not recommend a Canopus DV device for analog capture. The lossy DV format is not a capture or restoration format, it's a PC-playback-only format with digital compression artifacts and analog-unfriendly colors that look cooked or fried. We recommend devices specifically designed for capturing analog sources, as listed above.
Yes, you do need a good player and line-level tbc fix many problems at capture time. And there are two types of TBC required for proper capture:
(A) A line-lvel tbc corrects scanline timing errors within individual frames, which prevents top=border flagging, warped borders, wiggles and notches in vertical lines, and other scanline problems.
(B) Frame-level tbc's correct timing signals from frame to frame, preventing dropped and duplicate frames, maintaining audio sync, and preventing frame jitter and other top-border distortion problems.
Scanline sync errors appear as bent, warped, or notched verticals, and/or bent or notched side borders, etc. A common but rather mild example of line "wiggles" produced by typical scanline errors is here:
http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/3...=1#post1882662.
More severe examples were posted in an earlier thread. Below are links to 2 samples of scanline and frame timing errors. The "bad" tape sample tape was played with a non-tbc VCR. While the bad demo looks like a severe case, it's not as uncommon as you'd think. This sort of top-border flagging and frame slippage happens often with old tapes. Some tapes will play without this severity, some won't.
- A1_Sample2_bad.mpg is the original capture encoded to MPEG, with frame size slightly reduced to prevent TV overscan from hiding some of the problems.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/atta...sample2_badmpg
- B1_Sample2_fix.mpg is the tape played with a line-level tbc pass-thru device and a frame-level external tbc. The "fixed" sample shown in the link below is a first-stage test repair with only basic denoising, which was improved later with a better VCR but here addressing only specific issues. The tape is no longer available.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/atta...sample2_fixmpg
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Originally Posted by Sonic76
I only gonna capture old Tv shows, music videos and some homemovies from the 90's.
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Analog tape is analog tape, regardless of the program source, and certain requirements must be met for proper transfer.
I was struck by what I saw some time ago at Magix's website, from which I quote the following advertising come-on: [quote]"
You don't have to be an expert at video editing to digitize your old analog videos."[Unquote]. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Indeed, you'd better know at least some basic properties about video, or accept the inferior results you get from typical products like Magix. Or just turn the work over to someone who knows what they're doing. What you get from digitizing projects depends on how much you're willing to put into it. Dumbed-down products like Magix that promise superlative results for zero input are typical scams.
Unless you know something about video frame structure you'll have difficulty with edits and cleanups, especially with mindless software like Magix. Old TV shows are usually film-based. They might be original 24fps movies speeded up to 25fps and encoded as interlaced for TV broadcast. Or they could be field- or frame-blended NTSC to PAL down-conversions. Or they could be 23.976 film originals using various forms of duplicate-field or duplicate-frame pulldown for 25fps PAL and interlaced for broadcast. Or they could be originals shot as 25fps interlaced digital video for broadcast. Music videos could be in the same structures. Home movies for PAL are 25fps pure interlace. If the final output desired is DVD or standard definition BluRay, the only frame rate allowed for those formats is 25fps, and video must be either interlaced or telecined.
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Originally Posted by Sonic76
Will a VCR for example Panasonic NV-HS950 that has built in TBC fix the picture better than my Sony, or is it the capture card from Magix that is my week link?
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Get the Panasonic NV-HS950 or similar recommendation with a line-TBC. The SONY is causing your picture distortion. A capture card won't fix it. You can do better than the Magix device without spending a fortune, and good lossless video capture software and editing apps are free.