Starting out with VHS to digital archiving
Hello,
Since I'm completely inexperienced with AV, I've been bouncing around the internet for information. But I have the feeling that I'm in one of those.. 'ignorant of my own ignorance' situations. I'm hoping perhaps someone could point me to the relevant threads on this forum. My primary goal right now is to digitally archive my VHS tapes to the ideal format future video restoration. My tapes are 95% PAL. For equipment I have: Panasonic NV-SD530 Canopus ADVC 110 I also have the original Sony handycam CCD-TR105E that most of the small tapes were recorded on. Is that enough to get started or should I be researching different equipment to buy? Thanks for the help and the patience! |
Is this a project (one-time), a hobby (ongoing), or a potential business? If the former, you might get better results by going to a service which will do the captures for you and send you the original lossless files on hard drive or similar (not just a simple capture on a DVD recorder). If the latter, one of the experienced members here should have recommendations on equipment and software to purchase.
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- The VCR has no line-level tbc, essential for VHS capture.
- I note you've chosen a capture card designed for digital source instead of one designed for analog source. VHS to DV involves compression artifacts and data loss, as well as chroma and level problems. It also involves at least one more stage of lossy compression if you want final formats that are playable via standard means (TV, external media player). DV is PC-only. - The highest quality archive or capture for VHS source is losslessly compressed video. - Your camera is for Video8. You didn't mention Video8 analog tapes. - How many VHS tapes do you plan to work with? |
Thanks for the follow up
This is strictly personal and perhaps for immediate family.
If going the service route, is there one that can be recommended above others? I have about 25 Video8 and 25 VHS tapes. The Canopus I bought many years ago at someone's recommendation when I was thinking about tackling this project. I heard that when the source is PAL the Canopus might not be as bad as if the source was NTSC. I'm completely open to dropping a few $100 on either a service or different hardware if there are recommendations or threads that cover recommendations for either (have not yet searched lossless video capture devices, will try that later today). I do remember once looking for recommended VCRs years back and at that time finding that they were quite expensive and often with little guarantees that they were functional. Thanks! |
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If you're thinking future restoration and processing then you don't want some service that just "transfers your tapes to DVD (or DV)" for cheap. You want the original capture files in a lossless format, and better expect them to run over 1 GB per minute. Best if you purchase a couple of blank 2 TB hard drives and send them to the service along with your tapes and expect them to send them back full. If they throw in a DVD or Blu-ray that you can pop in a player and show for fun as well, so much the better. But the original capture files are what you want to keep...and make sure they're backed up (to multiple locations)! |
Thanks, I'll check out the service offered here.
I had a look at the required hardware. Would it be accurate to say that I would probably have to spend about $800 to $1k to in order to get lossless recordings from my VHS tapes? And in the case of the Video8 tapes, would I only need the TBC and capture device assuming the old Sony Handycam still works? Another Noob question, since I'm doing this for just a handful of tapes, could I get away without the TBC if I'm monitoring the whole process anyway? From what little I know the video could glitch and the capture hang. If this were to happen a few times per tape, I wouldn't have an issue with manually moving past the problem point and starting the capture again. Or does the TBC solve a lot of other issues too? Lastly, if I do end up delaying the archiving for now, and just do some captures using the lossy DV from the Canopus, are there things I can or should be looking at doing to help with the process, or quality, or fixing issues, etc? I also had a look at the recommended list of capture cards (AIW alternatives) on this forum. I see the Canopus is on there, so I'm assuming not everything on that list will capture lossless? Is that list still fairly up to date? |
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An outboard frame-level tbc is probably on the list as well, but you can get an affordable workaround by using a recommended Panasonic DMR-ES10 or DMR-ES15 as a frame-sync minimal frame tbc. That's a fraction of the cost of a frame tbc such as a TBC-1000 or working AVT-8710. It won't defeat retail tape copy protection, but it will help get a perfectly timed, frame-accurate signal into your capture chain. An ES10 or ES15 can be had, with remote (you'll need it), for $100 or less. As a bonus, the ES10 or ES15 also has a powerful line-level tbc that can be used as pass-thru with a Hi8 camera if the camera doesn't have line-level correction. You can get a decent lossless capture card in a Diamond Multimedia VC500 for less than $50. The card has many cheap copy cats and lookalikes which aren't even worth their cheap price. The VC500 is a popular product with drivers for XP to Win10. It doesn't have all the convenience of a $350 ATI All In Wonder 9600XT, but it's been tested and makes perfectly acceptable lossless captures with VirtualDub or AmarecTV. Also comes with some generic giveaway software, which you can ignore, but you do have to install its capture drivers. Quote:
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The line and frame tbc circuits in an ES10/15 pass-thru will work and have been lifesavers for many projects. They also avoid having you locked in, so to speak, to a single VCR that develops problems. You have to disable the noise reduction in those pass-thru's -- they are overdone and cause smearing and posterizing. Otherwise the line function is powerful and the frame-level circuit is decent, far better than no frame sync at all.
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Thanks for the input guys and thanks Sanlyn for that additional details.
I will investigate the options you mentioned tonight. Is it safe to assume that all ES10 and 15s do both PAL and NTSC (some units on ebay specify it, some don't mention it)? I already had a cursory look on the marketplace and didn't see one for sale. Is buying one of those on eBay as risky as getting a VCR, or are there fewer things that can go wrong (since we're mostly looking for TBC functionality)? I went ahead and ordered the VC500 since the price point and your recommendation make that one an easy decision. It occurred to me that I haven't actually fired up the Handycam to see if it still works, so I'll try that tonight as well. After thinking about it for a bit, I figure the majority of the things I care about will be on the Vid8 since more than half of VHS tapes might just be copies of those. |
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The rush for capture components -- meaning everything from AGP cards, VCRs, pass-thru's, tbc's, proc amps, etc. -- has been on for some years now. It's a difficult time to take up capture and restoration if you didn't start at least 5 years ago. I started in 2002, although I always owned premium vcrs starting in the late 80's. Over the last few years I've watched eBay VCR listings decrease to a fraction of what they were just 5 years ago. As it is, eBay is a very chancey source, chancey indeed. Still, people somehow manage to get optimal gear together, even today. There is also a marketplace forum where a great many pieces of prime hardware still appear. |
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If you had to choose between the ES10/15 and the AVT-8710, which would you go for? I know you had mentioned the 8710 briefly earlier and I saw in a past post that lordsmurf had posted a link to one for sale at B&H. I don't mind spending $300 for something very useful, specially if it's new-in-box. |
I just realized you had said "working AVT" in your previous post. After reading through the post about the AVT issues, I guess getting a new unit on B&H might still be a gamble today.
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