Hi Papa Smurf, I'm just new to this community and ran across your post that said you had purchased a bunch of ATI 600 USB devices, would you possibly have anymore of these capture devices for sale?
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I have a DIAMOND ATI TV Wonder HD 600 PCIe coming tomorrow. Disheartening to hear the PCIe version is one of the least desirable of the 600 series, if I am understanding you correctly? I believe it has the Theater 200 chip. Or is the TV Wonder different than the AIW? TV Wonder is capture card only, not display card. Wonder why/how the USB version is better, as my Hauppauge 950 USB captured slightly worse quality than my HVR-1600 PCI. I have captured with an Intensity Pro thru a TBC, looks good with issues. Best quality, but unreliable. Aver C027, good, but over sharpens, with greyed out sharpen in proc amp. Reliable captures. Would be best of the lot if sharpening could be turned down. Unable to find registry hack. Was able to mitigate most of the over sharpening via sharpness control on Sony R5 deck, which doesn't seem too well regarded around here. Good quality, possible color smearing on some of the deep reds. Possible surface mount caps issue. Have service manual and scope, tweaked most settings, replaced caps on audio board. Hauppauge 1600- reliable, but Q not quite as good as above. TBC not absolutely needed, but possible audio sync issues unless TBC used. This is what I originally used for capturing Hi-8 tapes, unfortunately captured in MPEG2, was unaware I could use vdub/lossless with these cards at the time. I have my XP box ready, SP2, although the HD 600 seems to be able to be used with W7. Will test. I have 36 8/Hi-8 tapes to re-capture at best quality, using Sony EVS7000 deck. VHS tapes already captured in passable quality. Not important footage, unlike the Hi-8 stuff. |
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ATI AIW Graphics cards with capture functionality, while the ATI TV wonder PCI/PCIe cards are capture cards only. Both of these use the ATI Theater chips.
The ATI USB 600 is based on a completely different chip from Texas instruments. I think the Hauppauge 950 has the same hardware. I think there are some other ATI USB cards that use the later theater chips though. Quote:
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Looking forward to testing the TVW 600, will report back. (that's what they all say) Quote:
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The Sony EVS7000 Hi-8 deck does have a TBC, as well as a few proc amp controls in the menu. My particular deck needs some transport tweaking, has a NLA cracked takeup spool gear, (still works, must be careful) and probably needs many surface mount caps replaced. But the image quality is still very good, and I will try to nurse it thru the 42.5 hours of capturing. Thanks for replies. |
Happy New Year all. Early tests of TVW HD 600 PCIe not very promising.
Mods feel free to move if not in the correct thread. Chips on TVW HD 600 card (both marked AMD) are: 218T316ZLA126 P31783.00 01737SS and T506 (Theater?) 218T506ALA11G P30122.00 0733SSP The following is in my opinion only, after just a few hours testing. The good- -Works* on XP or W7. -Wide range of proc amp sharpness and other controls, XP only*. -Proc amp has adjustments for Brt, Cont, Hue, Sat, Sharp, the rest are greyed out. The bad- -All proc amp controls greyed out using W7, on drivers 6.14.10.256, as well as 6.14.10.394, only ones I tried. No idiot proof obvious way to change in quick registry check. -Default level way too bright. -Non-realtime view while adjusting procs, using Amarec. Will try vdub and Graphedit. -No way to turn off AGC, which shows up as abrupt step up or down in brightness, seemingly randomly. A fatal flaw for my needs. I don't know which of the issues are hardware, and which are software. Going to play around with it a little more. But if I can't defeat the AGC I will probably abandon the card. $24 shipped, no great loss. May have to end up getting the USB 600 from LS that seems to be well regarded. Would prefer non USB if there are any cards equal to the USB in quality. Clarifying that my Hauppauge USB 950 is the "Q" version, and apparently has different chips than the 950. At least they noted the change with the "Q." The Wonder HD 600 series has nearly too many different chips to keep track. The 950, according to Wiki: Components used: Xceive xc3028ACQ (tuner & analog demodulator) LG DT3303 (digital demodulator) Texas Instruments tvp5150 (video decoder) Empiatech em2883 (USB bridge and analog audio) 950Q Components Used Xceive XC5000 (tuner and analog demodulator) Auvitek AU8522 (A/V decoder analog demodulator [not used], and digital demodulator) Auvitek AU0828 (USB bridge) |
Q is a horrible card.
The "950" may be the above, or maybe not. Hauppauge has/had a bad habit of using the same model number for cards that had mid-production changes. The above 950 specs are close to the ATI 600 USB, but Hauppauge install can be less fun than the ATI install. (I actually have an extra 950, confirmed clone, but no extra plug for s-video/composite. You already have the plug, so perhaps we should PM.) The 950 are actually usually more expensive than ATI 600 USB, go figure. |
It really makes it hard to find a decent card with the lack of readily available info from the manufacturers as to which cards used which chips. Anecdotal info is great, but most of it doesn't always have the detail needed to make an educated decision. And there are so many variables.
But I suppose these cards were not intended for the professional market, or even hyper critical eyes. And with some of them being 10-20 years old, I suppose we are lucky there is any info available at all, much less the actual hardware and drivers. I am reminded of my early days with the Pinnacle DC10+. Went thru fits mixing and matching driver versions, making charts to keep track of it all. Then DV mostly did away with those issues for a while, except for the early msdv file that would add a green hue to any footage it rendered. It seems to have gone full circle. Very challenging, but ultimately rewarding. Will PM when I decide on the USB600. Which proc controls are available for that one? |
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Ditto for DVD recorders. The only way to find this info is to buy and dismantle. I've broken some items over the years, for the sake of research. Oops. Quote:
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That's hilarious. I've broken too many things trying to "fix" them "just a little bit mo better."
Now I tend (usually) to accept the limitations of the gear or myself. Yeah, 3 chip camera DV seemed to look so good back then, compared to the single chip Hi-8 I had been using. Now, looks pretty bad. I think DVCPro50 had 4:2:2, but still suffered from some of the same what I call stair-step issues as DV. I suppose it is all relative. I refuse to work on anyone's computer if it has W10. W7 was bad enough with all of it's "phone home" user experience crap. Took a while to rid my W7 system of all the tasks and other crap. I still have my DC-10+ PCI, circa 1998ish. Just for giggles popped it into the XP box. W95 compatibility. Sorta worked. 640/480. MJPG only. Tried getting the Canopus DVRaptor card's analog capture working, no luck. Thought I might stumble on some great quality capturing with one of these. Alas, not to be. |
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I probably have you beat on breaking things. In 2012, I started a small fire with a solder gun. :laugh: |
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