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Mazufa 12-13-2018 12:38 PM

Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro capture card for VHS?
 
Hello! :)

I will buy myself a blackmagic design intensity pro capture card. My purpose is to connect a VHS recorder to it because I need to digitize my VHS cassette.

For me, it is a bit unclear what cables I need to get a video and sound to work.

What kind of cables do I need to get my VHS recorder connected to Blackmagic design intensity pro capture card?

I want to use the video to transfer the S-video cable.

Blackmagic cable: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Blackmagic-...O/140945312060

S-video cable adabter: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Blackmagic-...W/143046520438

What kind of audio cable do I need to get VHS recorder sound connected to capture card?

Thanks a lot for help in advance! :)

I apologize for my poor English language skills.

lordsmurf 12-13-2018 01:29 PM

That's literally the worst cards you could buy for VHS. You will have problems.
Buy an ATI 600 USB. Cheaper, better.

Mazufa 12-13-2018 01:37 PM

What is the problem with the Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro hijacking card?

Roxio DVL Plus 3 VHS capture device I have in the box, but I do not know if it's good ....

What kind of cable Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro can turn on the sound side of the VHS recorder?

I just want to get a good capture card for VHS digitization. I'm about to buy a capture card tomorrow. Please recommend me good quality cards :)

Is this a good capture card for VHS digitization? Will this picture be of good quality?:
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...e/183293448990

lordsmurf 12-13-2018 02:09 PM

Please do not post multiple posts, edit your previous one (up to 1 hour) to add more.

You've not done your research on capture cards.

- ATI AIW is excellent, but requires Windows XP, and not all of the AIW are as perfect as others. The 128 Pro AGP is probably one of the least desirable, right after the AIW PCIe.

- Blackmagic has known issues with SD video, especially unreported dropped frames. It's an HD card that poorly works with SD. Even Blackmagic has admitted to this.

- As mentioned, I have an ATI 600 USB available. After my own extra cards ran out, I acquired a lot of them specifically to resell to members here, people who are having trouble finding the best cards, or knowing what to get. These cards were $100+ new, and mine are $75 -- far less than a Blackmagic paper weight. It annoys me to be ignored. Why waste my time helping site members, investing my own money to buy something, if member just ignore the good advice they're being given, and pass on the quality cards. WTF?

- If you want one of the better AIW cards, and have an AIW USB as well. But again, WinXP required. Excellent card, worth the effort of installing XP on an extra capture-only box/system.

Mazufa 12-13-2018 02:10 PM

I live in Finland so the capture card must have PAL support.

I'll take the capture card according to your recommendations.

Thanks! :)

lordsmurf 12-13-2018 02:21 PM

You were posting while I was. :)

I've sent you a PM.

- The 600 USB captures PAL lossless quite nicely in VirtualDub, and uses Windows XP through 10.
- The AIW USB captures PAL both lossless and MPEG, but with Windows XP only. And potentially with Mac, still looking into the details there. My preference is always for AIW when possible. It's worth building XP boxes.

Eric-Jan 12-16-2018 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 57809)
- Blackmagic has known issues with SD video, especially unreported dropped frames. It's an HD card that poorly works with SD. Even Blackmagic has admitted to this.

You keep telling this in many posts, did you ever use a Blackmagic Design product, or could you give a link to a to that BlackMagic Design "statement" ? "unreported dropped frames" sounds a bit vague, and fake, to prove something...
or did you have bad service from BlackMagic Design ?

lordsmurf 12-16-2018 06:03 AM

BM support telling folks "not for VHS" has been reported across multiple forums, for several years now. Users have been griping about this problem since at least 2011. Some have called, some have discussed the content of those calls. I know I've seen some on VH and Creative Cow, but there were others. Avid forums and whatnot.

There's no "official statement" printed anywhere that you're looking for. In the video hardware industry, where marketing sometimes usurps technical accuracy, transparent honesty is uncommon.

Yes, I've used so many items that I sometimes forget what all I used. I've been doing this literally for decades now. Some of the more obscure devices start to blur together, as does software, scripts, methods. Ever since my medical issues started some years ago, I've not been as meticulous at keeping notes as I once was. But the BM dropped frames issue is a biggie, something I clearly remember.

Magewell has the same issue, though no admission to fault that I've seen.

There have also been samples posted in various places. I used to have some, but a large chunk of my data was misplaced in 2013. Hopefully not lost. Hoping to sort it in 2019 finally.

Eric-Jan 12-16-2018 06:56 AM

I mention this, because i have no problems with my Intensity Shuttle, you do need how to setup things, true, but that's the case for most of these things, i also have no legacy probems this way.
and try things myself, and not by rumours, with no trust worthy foundation, or by hear say.
Most of the time only failures are reported, and those are from usb or ati legacy devices ? plus, OS problems.

lordsmurf 12-16-2018 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric-Jan (Post 57872)
I mention this, because i have no problems with my Intensity Shuttle, you do need how to setup things, true, but that's the case for most of these things, i also have no legacy probems this way.
and try things myself, and not by rumours, with no trust worthy foundation, or by hear say.

But it's my understanding that you're converting the signal with a DVD recorder, outputting component to the Blackmagic. It's a different workflow than usual. You're at the mercy of the DVD recorder capture quality.

The SD issue mention applies to s-video or composite. It expects clean pro sources, not consumer sources like VHS. The DVD recorder component is acting as buffer, outputting a clean signal. (Don't confuse this with a TBC. You can have terrible image quality, with signal issues, input into a recorder. The output is all that matters here. Most DVD recorders do not have passthrough ability, not even other Panasonic models.)

You're one of the few that claims to have a pleasant experience, though I still wonder how closely you're paying attention to detail. To date, you've only shown the one sample.

ELinder 12-16-2018 09:31 AM

Actually, I've been using my Blackmagic Design Intensity Shuttle Thunderbolt while learning and testing things for my VHS captures, and have had no problems so far. Well, other than finding a bug in how Davinci Resolve handles some interlaced footage which I've reported to BMD. However, I'm just now getting to the point of critical examining the captures, so that opinion may change once I start also looking at captures made with an ATI/Windows setup. Also, my setup is almost as optimal as can be from a Mac standpoint, so that may also be why I've been trouble free so far.

Erich

Eric-Jan 12-16-2018 09:52 AM

I'm using this recorder also as VHS player, so not as pass-through for another VHS player, i'm pleased with it, maybe i have no "pro" eye, i do little to no work in post, also less quality recordings come out quiet good through this way, resolution stays VHS quality though :) filters only make it more worse is my experience, and takes a lot of render time, have good experiences with Shotcut, Avidemux, MacX Video Converter Pro, and Davinci Resolve, (i work on MacBook Pro only)
I found a good tip to find the metadata of a (video) file,(get info doesn't show all) ... from a terminal window > mdls folowed by a space, and drag the file into this window, and press enter.
My output will mostly 720x576p for PAL, and 720x480 for NTSC, Avidemux has a nice "mask" option, so no transform is needed.
I only have dropped frames when the data rate of the capture stream is too high, i only capture to my internal SSD, so i move files from this SSD to external drives to make room again. My SSD is the fastes device in my setup.
The ports for external storage are not so fast on my MacBook is my guess.... that's my dilemma... :(
lossy capturing (Prores422 LT) is good enough for VHS is my experience, you can't compair that with H264MPEG encoding

Eric-Jan 12-16-2018 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELinder (Post 57874)
Actually, I've been using my Blackmagic Design Intensity Shuttle Thunderbolt while learning and testing things for my VHS captures, and have had no problems so far. Well, other than finding a bug in how Davinci Resolve handles some interlaced footage which I've reported to BMD. However, I'm just now getting to the point of critical examining the captures, so that opinion may change once I start also looking at captures made with an ATI/Windows setup. Also, my setup is almost as optimal as can be from a Mac standpoint, so that may also be why I've been trouble free so far.

Erich

Only with the Studio version of Davinci Resolve you can de-interlace i thought.... further ... the bug i noticed, is that settings get changed when using Media Express, so i have to check this when starting that software, :(
further, i experiment with the amount of compression for the final MP4/MKV.

ELinder 12-16-2018 12:36 PM

Blackmagic capture devices of all sorts are notorious for dropped frames from non-digital media. It's a frequent discussion on even the BMD forums. Yes, deinterlacing is a Resolve Studio only feature, but I don't use it. It's not that good and unless there is a specific reason to deinterlace it's better to leave it interlaced.

What do you mean by Media Express changing setting?

What metadata are you looking for to jump thru that hoop to use Terminal? Quicktime and VLC show lots of media information.

Erich

dpalomaki 12-16-2018 02:52 PM

I have used both BM Intensity Pro and Intensity Pro 4K.

They expect a very good, stable, legal signal and will have issues with signals that have poor/sloppy sync, as is often the case with consumer VCR outputs. A TBC will help. (The Pro 4k is a bit more tolerant of sloppy signal than its predecessor card.)

However, the 4K does a very poor job with component input. In the tests I ran a year or so ago with SMPTE color bar sources with both SD and 1080i input signals the 4k records levels from the YUV input that are significantly off . It looks really ugly on a vector scope. This is a problem that apparently BM cannot (or will not) fix with a pushed firmware update. On the other hand its HDMI, Y/C and composite levels were close to the expected levels.

For my purposes the Intensity Pro cards offer two main benefits, HDMI input and HDMI output (from within my NLE), and they work with WIN 7 and up and in modern PCs.

Eric-Jan 12-17-2018 12:24 PM

I guess i am very lucky to have a very good VHS vcr deck in my ES35V (Panasonic) because i never have any dropped frames, even with fast forward, and i've set the software to stop capture when frames are dropped, an other older Sony vcr, does not work at all with the Intensity Shuttle indeed...
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Originally Posted by dpalomaki (Post 57886)
However, the 4K does a very poor job with component input. In the tests I ran a year or so ago with SMPTE color bar sources with both SD and 1080i input signals the 4k records levels from the YUV input that are significantly off . It looks really ugly on a vector scope. This is a problem that apparently BM cannot (or will not) fix with a pushed firmware update. On the other hand its HDMI, Y/C and composite levels were close to the expected levels.

that's a shame, i was playing with the thought buying that card if i ever wanted a Windows PC again, MS Windows has some advantages having software available, which isn't on the Mac OS.

Bogilein 12-17-2018 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric-Jan (Post 57899)
I guess i am very lucky to have a very good VHS vcr deck in my ES35V (Panasonic) because i never have any dropped frames, even with fast forward, and i've set the software to stop capture when frames are dropped, an other older Sony vcr, does not work at all with the Intensity Shuttle indeed...

You should think about how the SVHS/DVD combo work.
The vcr isn't better as other vcr's. You use the dvd recorder part which makes a stable signal. If the vcr part would be separately you would have outputs for the vcr part and the dvd recorder part.

Your pathway inside of this combo is vcr - analog to digital conversation for the mpg capture of the dvd recorder part - digital to analog conversation for the scart, Y/C output.

Eric-Jan 12-18-2018 10:59 AM

No. I get analog YUV interlaced/progressive video over the component output, (3x RCA) most combo's only output the DVD player over the component output, not so with the ES35V... and it's just a VHS not a Super-VHS deck.
When set to interlaced, it outputs RGB for a CRT tv, when set to progressive it outputs YUV for a plasma or LED/LCD screen.
I have the EU version, so it has also SCART connectors.
I don't know if a MPEG2 recording would have better quality though....

captainvic 12-18-2018 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpalomaki (Post 57886)
I have used both BM Intensity Pro and Intensity Pro 4K.

They expect a very good, stable, legal signal and will have issues with signals that have poor/sloppy sync, as is often the case with consumer VCR outputs. A TBC will help. (The Pro 4k is a bit more tolerant of sloppy signal than its predecessor card.)

However, the 4K does a very poor job with component input. In the tests I ran a year or so ago with SMPTE color bar sources with both SD and 1080i input signals the 4k records levels from the YUV input that are significantly off . It looks really ugly on a vector scope. This is a problem that apparently BM cannot (or will not) fix with a pushed firmware update. On the other hand its HDMI, Y/C and composite levels were close to the expected levels.

Does anyone have experience with the Blackmagic UltraStudio 4K? In particular, does the UltraStudio 4K suffer from the same issues described above with dropped frames from VHS and problems with YUV levels? When I search this forum for "UltraStudio" I don't see a lot of hits. Thanks!

ELinder 12-20-2018 11:06 AM

Search the BlackMagic forums, those issues have been mentioned there.

smalliehunter 12-28-2018 10:56 AM

Hi Papa Smurf, I'm just new to this community and ran across your post that said you had purchased a bunch of ATI 600 USB devices, would you possibly have anymore of these capture devices for sale?

lordsmurf 12-28-2018 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by smalliehunter (Post 58114)
Hi Papa Smurf, I'm just new to this community and ran across your post that said you had purchased a bunch of ATI 600 USB devices, would you possibly have anymore of these capture devices for sale?

Yes, PM me. :congrats:

tryagain 12-30-2018 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 57809)

- ATI AIW is excellent, but requires Windows XP, and not all of the AIW are as perfect as others. The 128 Pro AGP is probably one of the least desirable, right after the AIW PCIe.

Long time lurker- been editing video/repairing equipment since the late 80's. Great site.

I have a DIAMOND ATI TV Wonder HD 600 PCIe coming tomorrow. Disheartening to hear the PCIe version is one of the least desirable of the 600 series, if I am understanding you correctly? I believe it has the Theater 200 chip. Or is the TV Wonder different than the AIW? TV Wonder is capture card only, not display card. Wonder why/how the USB version is better, as my Hauppauge 950 USB captured slightly worse quality than my HVR-1600 PCI.

I have captured with an Intensity Pro thru a TBC, looks good with issues. Best quality, but unreliable.

Aver C027, good, but over sharpens, with greyed out sharpen in proc amp. Reliable captures. Would be best of the lot if sharpening could be turned down. Unable to find registry hack. Was able to mitigate most of the over sharpening via sharpness control on Sony R5 deck, which doesn't seem too well regarded around here. Good quality, possible color smearing on some of the deep reds. Possible surface mount caps issue. Have service manual and scope, tweaked most settings, replaced caps on audio board.

Hauppauge 1600- reliable, but Q not quite as good as above. TBC not absolutely needed, but possible audio sync issues unless TBC used. This is what I originally used for capturing Hi-8 tapes, unfortunately captured in MPEG2, was unaware I could use vdub/lossless with these cards at the time.

I have my XP box ready, SP2, although the HD 600 seems to be able to be used with W7. Will test.
I have 36 8/Hi-8 tapes to re-capture at best quality, using Sony EVS7000 deck. VHS tapes already captured in passable quality. Not important footage, unlike the Hi-8 stuff.

lordsmurf 12-30-2018 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tryagain (Post 58148)
Long time lurker- been editing video/repairing equipment since the late 80's. Great site.

Welcome, and thanks. :)

Quote:

I have a DIAMOND ATI TV Wonder HD 600 PCIe coming tomorrow. Disheartening to hear the PCIe version is one of the least desirable of the 600 series, if I am understanding you correctly? I believe it has the Theater 200 chip. Or is the TV Wonder different than the AIW?
The PCIe 600 is completely undesirable, has AGC issues, is not at all like the 600 USB, and does not have Theatre 200 chips

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Wonder why/how the USB version is better, as my Hauppauge 950 USB captured slightly worse quality than my HVR-1600 PCI.
Slightly worse in what way?

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I have captured with an Intensity Pro thru a TBC, looks good with issues. Best quality, but unreliable.
Yes, Blackmagic cards are an issue even with TBC. Well documented, many valid complaints online.

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Aver C027, good, but over sharpens
AVer has never made a good card. They rely on Conexan/BT chips (already not the best), but then the drivers are always terrible.

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Hauppauge 1600- reliable, but Q not quite as good as above. TBC not absolutely needed, but possible audio sync issues unless TBC used. This is what I originally used for capturing Hi-8 tapes, unfortunately captured in MPEG2, was unaware I could use vdub/lossless with these cards at the time.
Also not my favorite. I've never been overly fond of the blurriness of Hauppauge MPEG hardware encoders. Audio sync errors are due to dropped frames in almost all cases, hence why TBC is needed.

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I have my XP box ready, SP2, although the HD 600 seems to be able to be used with W7. Will test. I have 36 8/Hi-8 tapes to re-capture at best quality, using Sony EVS7000 deck. VHS tapes already captured in passable quality. Not important footage, unlike the Hi-8 stuff.
When willing to use WinXP, ATI AIW should be a first choice always. :2cents:

hodgey 12-30-2018 01:59 PM

ATI AIW Graphics cards with capture functionality, while the ATI TV wonder PCI/PCIe cards are capture cards only. Both of these use the ATI Theater chips.

The ATI USB 600 is based on a completely different chip from Texas instruments. I think the Hauppauge 950 has the same hardware. I think there are some other ATI USB cards that use the later theater chips though.

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Sony R5 deck, which doesn't seem too well regarded around here.
Maybe because it lacks a line TBC, but I don't know too much about the Sony SVHS decks. Maybe they're nice if you got something in the capture chain that can make up for that.

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AVer has never made a good card. They rely on Conexan/BT chips (already not the best), but then the drivers are always terrible.
This one looks like it uses a trident TV Master 5200 chip actually, no idea how those are though.

lordsmurf 12-30-2018 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hodgey (Post 58150)
Both of these use the ATI Theater chips.

Theatre Rage/100/200 are completely different from the Theatre 550. Not the same. :old:

tryagain 12-30-2018 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 58149)
The PCIe 600 is completely undesirable, has AGC issues, is not at all like the 600 USB, and does not have Theatre 200 chips

Thought I read somewhere it has that chip. Should know tomorrow. But if the AGC cannont be turned off, that would be a big problem.

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 58149)
Also not my favorite. I've never been overly fond of the blurriness of Hauppauge MPEG hardware
Slightly worse in what way?

Hauppauge 950 USB has slightly softer image than the HVR-1600 PCI. 950 has no proc amp control in my testing, 1600 does. Have not done extensive testing.

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 58149)
AVer has never made a good card. They rely on Conexan/BT chips (already not the best), but then the drivers are always terrible.

My tests have shown good images with the Avermedia C027 PCIe card, and no issues with sync. Deal breaking issue is the over sharpening. Hate Media software that came with it, uninstalled.

Looking forward to testing the TVW 600, will report back. (that's what they all say)

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Originally Posted by hodgey (Post 58150)
Maybe because it (Sony R5 SVHS Deck) lacks a line TBC, but I don't know too much about the Sony SVHS decks. Maybe they're nice if you got something in the capture chain that can make up for that.

I have had Sony decks/cameras almost exclusively, and am familiar with their innards. The R5 does not have a TBC to my knowledge. If I had important footage from VHS I would have gone for one of the JVC decks on the list.

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Originally Posted by hodgey (Post 58150)
This one (Aver C027) looks like it uses a trident TV Master 5200 chip actually, no idea how those are though.

Will look at chip when I pull the card, perhaps this week. I really should post some short video captures for you guys to see. I have also done testing on the resolution/color using various S-Video cables. Have pics of waveform monitor/vectorscope. Most are the same, a 3' Monster ($1.99 @ thrift store) was best. One 6' cable was horrible. 12' cables OK, but lose small amount of detail.

The Sony EVS7000 Hi-8 deck does have a TBC, as well as a few proc amp controls in the menu. My particular deck needs some transport tweaking, has a NLA cracked takeup spool gear, (still works, must be careful) and probably needs many surface mount caps replaced. But the image quality is still very good, and I will try to nurse it thru the 42.5 hours of capturing.

Thanks for replies.

tryagain 01-01-2019 08:13 PM

Happy New Year all. Early tests of TVW HD 600 PCIe not very promising.
Mods feel free to move if not in the correct thread.

Chips on TVW HD 600 card (both marked AMD) are:
218T316ZLA126
P31783.00
01737SS
and
T506 (Theater?)
218T506ALA11G
P30122.00
0733SSP

The following is in my opinion only, after just a few hours testing.
The good-
-Works* on XP or W7.
-Wide range of proc amp sharpness and other controls, XP only*.
-Proc amp has adjustments for Brt, Cont, Hue, Sat, Sharp, the rest are greyed out.

The bad-
-All proc amp controls greyed out using W7, on drivers 6.14.10.256, as well as 6.14.10.394, only ones I tried. No idiot
proof obvious way to change in quick registry check.
-Default level way too bright.
-Non-realtime view while adjusting procs, using Amarec. Will try vdub and Graphedit.
-No way to turn off AGC, which shows up as abrupt step up or down in brightness, seemingly randomly. A fatal flaw for my needs.

I don't know which of the issues are hardware, and which are software.

Going to play around with it a little more. But if I can't defeat the AGC I will probably abandon the card. $24 shipped, no great loss.
May have to end up getting the USB 600 from LS that seems to be well regarded. Would prefer non USB if there are any cards equal to the USB in quality.


Clarifying that my Hauppauge USB 950 is the "Q" version, and apparently has different chips than the 950.
At least they noted the change with the "Q." The Wonder HD 600 series has nearly too many different chips to keep track.

The 950, according to Wiki:

Components used:

Xceive xc3028ACQ (tuner & analog demodulator)
LG DT3303 (digital demodulator)
Texas Instruments tvp5150 (video decoder)
Empiatech em2883 (USB bridge and analog audio)

950Q

Components Used

Xceive XC5000 (tuner and analog demodulator)
Auvitek AU8522 (A/V decoder analog demodulator [not used], and digital demodulator)
Auvitek AU0828 (USB bridge)

lordsmurf 01-01-2019 08:21 PM

Q is a horrible card.

The "950" may be the above, or maybe not. Hauppauge has/had a bad habit of using the same model number for cards that had mid-production changes. The above 950 specs are close to the ATI 600 USB, but Hauppauge install can be less fun than the ATI install. (I actually have an extra 950, confirmed clone, but no extra plug for s-video/composite. You already have the plug, so perhaps we should PM.) The 950 are actually usually more expensive than ATI 600 USB, go figure.

tryagain 01-01-2019 08:40 PM

It really makes it hard to find a decent card with the lack of readily available info from the manufacturers as to which cards used which chips. Anecdotal info is great, but most of it doesn't always have the detail needed to make an educated decision. And there are so many variables.

But I suppose these cards were not intended for the professional market, or even hyper critical eyes.

And with some of them being 10-20 years old, I suppose we are lucky there is any info available at all, much less the actual hardware and drivers.

I am reminded of my early days with the Pinnacle DC10+. Went thru fits mixing and matching driver versions, making charts to keep track of it all.

Then DV mostly did away with those issues for a while, except for the early msdv file that would add a green hue to any footage it rendered.

It seems to have gone full circle. Very challenging, but ultimately rewarding.

Will PM when I decide on the USB600. Which proc controls are available for that one?

lordsmurf 01-01-2019 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tryagain (Post 58240)
It really makes it hard to find a decent card with the lack of readily available info from the manufacturers as to which cards used which chips.

"Preaching to the choir." :salute:

Ditto for DVD recorders.

The only way to find this info is to buy and dismantle. I've broken some items over the years, for the sake of research. Oops.

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Anecdotal info is great, but most of it doesn't always have the detail needed to make an educated decision. And there are so many variables.
Yep. Welcome to the internet. :screwy:

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But I suppose these cards were not intended for the professional market, or even hyper critical eyes.
"Professional" has long been abused as a marketing term. Some "professional" equipment isn't fit for kiddies, while some "consumer" (not labeled as anything) is definitely used by professionals. Sometimes pro equipment is truly professional, made for their needs. Some is not, just trying to make money from suckers that think they're using "pro" gear. You see that a lot of video and photo especially.

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And with some of them being 10-20 years old, I suppose we are lucky there is any info available at all, much less the actual hardware and drivers.
So much stuff has disappeared over the years. We've always tried to archive as much as possible at this site, because I've seen it happening since before I created the site way back in 2002. Back then, it was as my personal notebook, no forum or anything yet.

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Then DV mostly did away with those issues for a while, except for the early msdv file that would add a green hue to any footage it rendered.
Don't forget DV compression, 4:1:1, yuck. :mad4:

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Will PM when I decide on the USB600. Which proc controls are available for that one?
I'll have to report back, but everything should be available in both WinXP and Win7. (I don't use Win10, I'm not into self-punishment. :laugh:)

tryagain 01-01-2019 10:31 PM

That's hilarious. I've broken too many things trying to "fix" them "just a little bit mo better."
Now I tend (usually) to accept the limitations of the gear or myself.

Yeah, 3 chip camera DV seemed to look so good back then, compared to the single chip Hi-8 I had been using. Now, looks pretty bad.
I think DVCPro50 had 4:2:2, but still suffered from some of the same what I call stair-step issues as DV.
I suppose it is all relative.

I refuse to work on anyone's computer if it has W10. W7 was bad enough with all of it's "phone home" user experience crap. Took a while to rid my W7 system of all the tasks and other crap.

I still have my DC-10+ PCI, circa 1998ish. Just for giggles popped it into the XP box. W95 compatibility. Sorta worked. 640/480. MJPG only. Tried getting the Canopus DVRaptor card's analog capture working, no luck. Thought I might stumble on some great quality capturing with one of these. Alas, not to be.

lordsmurf 01-01-2019 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tryagain (Post 58252)
That's hilarious. I've broken too many things trying to "fix" them "just a little bit mo better."
Now I tend (usually) to accept the limitations of the gear or myself.

Or buy new stuff.
I probably have you beat on breaking things. In 2012, I started a small fire with a solder gun. :laugh:

dpalomaki 01-02-2019 08:23 AM

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I started a small fire with a solder gun.
The tool you needed:woot:

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ELinder 01-02-2019 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lordsmurf (Post 58259)
Or buy new stuff.
I probably have you beat on breaking things. In 2012, I started a small fire with a solder gun. :laugh:

I'm sure most of us have a similar story. I dropped my soldering iron in my lap...while wearing shorts. Nice long continuous blister on my leg. Funny now, then, not so much. :laugh::smack:

Erich


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