Any benefit to using an ES10/ES15 with a JVC S9800U?
I'm aware that the JVC S9800U has it's own built-in line TBC and that the Panasonic ES10/ES15 models also have a line TBC. But I still see posts where people are using the ES10/ES15 inline as a pass-through device with similar JVC S-VHS models with the JVC TBC turned Off. What exactly is the benefit of this? Is this only necessary when the JVC unit TBC isn't adequate enough?
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Some tapes have a wavy (and sometimes jumpy) appearance that DEMAND additional or alternative equipment. In my very humble opinion any advanced home user, semi-pro, or pro NEEDS an ES10-15 in their bag of tricks.
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Ok that makes since then. So basically they are used for those "specific" tapes that need a little extra help.
So if I were to add an ES10/ES15 to my arsenal which would should I opt for? I know the ES10 is stronger than the ES15 but I recall seeing that it also has less quality than the ES15, is that correct? But being that the ES10/ES15 would only be used for those "specific" tapes, I'm thinking it would probably just be best to invest in an ES10 since I'd want the stronger unit to fix this "specific" issue. Thoughts? |
The ES doesn’t have a true TBC, but it sorta kinda does, according to the experts.
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The ES10 and ES15 also have frame-level correction, as Barry noted. No, it won't correct macrovision or false copy protection errors, but it's otherwise a competent frame tbc. Use only if you need it. The less "stuff" you have in your capture chain, the better. |
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I'm still unsure if I'm going to need an ES10/ES15 as I'm waiting for my JVC S9800 to be delivered so I can begin testing. I'm just trying research ahead of time just in case I need to order one. I just wanted to confirm whether I should be getting the ES10 or the ES15, which as you stated previously, I should just get the ES10 because I'm only going to be needing it with "specific" tapes, so obviously there's no sense in getting the ES15 when the ES10 is going to be better at fixing those "specific" issues. But that was my whole concern is whether the ES10 was going to be an overall better choice over the ES15. |
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The VCR is S-VHS VCR with line TBC to clean the image. The TBC is external frame TBC to clean the signal. You need both kinds of TBC for a quality experience, and quality captures. The ES10/15 are mostly for anti-tearing, with line TBC disabled in VCR, before external TBC. You can use the ES10/15 in place of a TBC, but it's very weak, not a true TBC, but rather a minimal TBC(ish). A true TBC(ish) involves the ES10/15 + DataVideo DVK/5000, which then makes it about 99% of true TBC quality, though still with posterization/etc drawbacks of the ES10/15. If quality matters, get the full TBC. If cost is a problem, remember to buy it, use it, then resell it. It's not a forever purchase, you don't stuff it into a drawer when done. It's a project based purchase, holds its value, and you resell when project is done. Some of like a rental. In fact, if you carry the purchase on a credit card for a few months, exactly like a rental. DNR on the ES10/15 is always enabled. It's merely that it's much stronger with NR enabled. But even disabled, it's there. It causes motion artifacts similar to strong Avisynth filters (TTempSmooth, I think?) Sometimes I feel like a used car salesman, but seriously: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/mark...bc-1000-a.html Right now, I have some extra TBCs. Not just any TBCs, but the best ones that we need for this hobby. I know this will not last, all will eventually see, and TBCs are getting harder to find. At some point, when I'm out, folks doing DIY capture are going to be SOL. I have no idea what they're going to do. ES10/15 and pray, I guess? Hopefully you don't run into dynamic drum issues with that 9800. My 9x00s are all down for the count not, I've entirely switched the the V10 chassis decks. A couple post-9800 perform better than the 9800 anyway, give the AG-1980 a good run for its money on EP and VHS-C. |
The dynamic drum issue was on my mind as well.
I have a great 7800, but also one 7800 with a dead drum. Been watching 3D printing tech quite a bit, the stereo lithographic vats for $200 have caught my eye. Fidelity is very high and the plastic is UV cured and looks really strong. One day perhaps we'll be able to print new gears... but who am I kidding, what a pipe dream. |
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@jwillis: 9800 has dynamic drum, 7800 does not.
@MadScientist: I guess as long as you're fine with the quality loss, and will be the only viewer, that's fine. The problems come from trying to share those videos with others, be it online, family, friends, etc, as you will get fair criticism for the quality loss. I detest all those "look at this rare footage!" Youtubers that have butchered the video with bad gear and bad methods. The term "assclown" is pretty appropriate for those specific Youtube folks. :laugh: |
odd.. I'll have to look again.. could have sworn those looked like gears
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