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02-01-2022, 08:45 PM
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TGrant was a longtime favorite around here, until he started to cut corners, only recap "bad" caps (not all caps, but ALL eventually go bad!!!), so another $500 fix
So I've thought about this, and if you treat it like a maintenance plan (like ToyotaCare) with a $500 biannual fee ($250/year) then it makes a lot more sense. At the 2 year point, send it back for maintenance and he'll replace any capacitors that have gone bad since the last repair plus test and fix or replace the power supply, eject mechanism, front panel and so on.

With that philosophy, he doesn't really need to replace all the capacitors every time, just the bad ones.
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So I've thought about this, and if you treat it like a maintenance plan (like ToyotaCare) with a $500 biannual fee ($250/year) then it makes a lot more sense. At the 2 year point, send it back for maintenance and he'll replace any capacitors that have gone bad since the last repair plus test and fix or replace the power supply, eject mechanism, front panel and so on.

With that philosophy, he doesn't really need to replace all the capacitors every time, just the bad ones.
No.

It's a $2k MSRP VCR, not a $20k+ car.

A VCR is a singular main mechanism, with some satellite boards for the more-complex AG-1980.
A car is multiple systems/mechanisms.

It's just lazy shoddy work. Replace all the caps, the end. He knows they'll all go bad within a short time window. So if the game was to force me to be a repeat customer, he lost, I've gone elsewhere entirely. Past decks, new decks, and recommendations to others on where to get their repairs.

I'm out $2k+ from crappy work, and I'm pissed. It wasn't just main VCRs, but the VCRs on standby went bad simply sitting on the shelf unused. While I realize decks go bad, used or not, and constantly mention it, these were refurb'd decks. All caps should have been replaced, as it's the #1 known fail point, and known to infect all caps on all boards.

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02-02-2022, 03:14 AM
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TLDR; VHS-C is a joke, VHS-C LP is a true belly laugh. However, that's easy to say with hindsight, it's not a sleight on the people that purchased them. Simply, a lot of people didn't know.
I could never understand why people record in low speeds? Yes the obvious reason is cost saving but have you looked at their recordings? 90 freaking minutes of shaky video that no one wants to watch, Could have used the 45 minutes in SP mode and still recorded plenty of enjoyable memories if only cared about quality not cost.
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02-02-2022, 04:46 AM
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What a ridiculous post. Have you watched the other millions of hours of video that others took at LP to cast judgement on them too? How could you possibly sit here, 25 years later, and criticise people who thought they were doing the right thing? I remember very well that VHS tapes cost the absolute earth and people would try any way of reusing them or putting more time on them (LP) to save the cost.

Do I now regret making up second generation tapes to archive instead of just keeping all my 1st Gen tapes? Yes I do. But on the TV, at the time, when I checked them, they looked fine. Pity I didn't have a smart-alec like Latreche as a mate who could have forewarned me about what we'd be doing with video 30 years later.

Sheesh.
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02-02-2022, 05:19 AM
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It's more rediculous to feel guilty and offended becuase you think someone is addressing you when not, I didn't judge people for saving money, I judged them for wasting tape by shooting crappy and lengthy useless videos when they should have learned how to use the camcorder in the first place and use the tape space wisely.

I personally did use low speed for recording TV shows on VHS that I can care less about their quality but for home videos and vacation I've always used SP and never had a problem with cost of tapes even when I was a student because I don't waste 90 minutes on people faces or the same scene. This is the right way I see it, If you have a different opinion we can discuss it in an appropriate manner without been childish.

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02-02-2022, 06:07 AM
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I judged them for wasting tape by shooting crappy and lengthy useless videos when they should have learned how to use the camcorder in the first place and use the tape space wisely.
Childish. Leave them alone.
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02-02-2022, 06:13 AM
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What a ridiculous post. Have you watched the other millions of hours of video that others took at LP to cast judgement on them too? How could you possibly sit here, 25 years later, and criticise people who thought they were doing the right thing? I remember very well that VHS tapes cost the absolute earth and people would try any way of reusing them or putting more time on them (LP) to save the cost.

Do I now regret making up second generation tapes to archive instead of just keeping all my 1st Gen tapes? Yes I do. But on the TV, at the time, when I checked them, they looked fine. Pity I didn't have a smart-alec like Latreche as a mate who could have forewarned me about what we'd be doing with video 30 years later.

Sheesh.
Without getting in the personal dispute, I'm inclined to agree.

I'm a cassette nut, but I wouldn't admonish anybody for using a shoe-box recorder and a cheap cassette forty years ago, what's the point? I agree blank video cassettes were frighteningly expensive (in the UK at least, various old catalogues tell me one VHS-C tape cost 8 in 1987, that's 25 today or $33US ) during the 80s which did force many to use trick speeds or reuse cassettes.

Obviously, pricing strategies were different in different markets, and no doubt cheaper tapes were available but it's easy to forget how expensive they were in some markets in their heyday.
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02-02-2022, 07:10 AM
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Yes and choosing to buy affordable recording media and equipment often meant for many folk capturing precious and lasting recordings of family members and events, as opposed to no record at all.
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02-02-2022, 09:26 AM
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I can understand the need to play a tape back in a deck with the same physical alignment but I dont understand the need to playback say a VHS-C tape in a VHS-C camera.
Even with all the technobabble on why it works how it works, the issue remains that VHS-C was flimsy and cheap, both the cameras and tapes, compared to the best S-VHS VCRs. Even S-VHS-C is equally craptastic as format. All the head count, etc, should be seen as a crutch that allowed the tiny crappy cameras to work, not a reason for it being superior in any way.

As Robust has said, as a format =
But most of us only realize that in hindsight.

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Thanks for the explanations guys. As I often do, I'm making it harder than it is. The head count vs. head width explanation is enlightening
It's mostly just trivia.

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Even more thankfully, I opted for Video8 for my home movies back in the day!
A coin flip, and you won. Congrats.

Too many folks are revisionist with their choices. "Well, I knew <blah, blah, blah.>" No, those people didn't know anything either. They just got lucky.

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I could never understand why people record in low speeds? Yes the obvious reason is cost saving but have you looked at their recordings? 90 freaking minutes of shaky video
- Yes, costs.
- On typical 19-32" TVs, it looked fine.
- Shaky video has nothing to do with recording mode. Shaky EP = shaky SP.

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What a ridiculous post. H
But on the TV, at the time, when I checked them, they looked fine.
Pity I didn't have ... what we'd be doing with video 30 years later.
Sheesh.
Agree.

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I judged them for wasting tape by shooting crappy and lengthy useless videos when they should have learned how to use the camcorder in the first place and use the tape space wisely.
No. These were all live events. You don't know what's going to happen. Shoot first, edit later. Sure, a wedding may have a set procession of events, but not a birthday or swim party.

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never had a problem with cost of tapes even when I was a student
And when was that? Even well into the late 90s, VHS-C tapes weren't cheap, $5+ each in bulk (10 tapes) for only 30 minutes SP (TC30).Full VHS tapes weren't cheap until the late 90s (>$2), actually more into the 2000s if you didn't want to use random brand junk and/or didn't want to buy bulk (~50 tapes).

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Obviously, pricing strategies were different in different markets, and no doubt cheaper tapes were available but it's easy to forget how expensive they were in some markets in their heyday.
I hate revisionism, or misremembering.

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02-02-2022, 10:17 AM
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I was a videophile well in the 90's, Everyone loved my shooting skills and I stand correct on my points, I criticized people then and I do today just like Lordsmurf does when people use $5 easycaps to save a buck, I'm not attacking anyone personally but I'm entitled to make judgments on the general public technical skills.

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02-02-2022, 03:19 PM
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To the OP: Sorry this thread got so totally out of line. No excuses for the crap being thrown around.
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