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02-16-2020, 11:57 AM
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Mainly because of the lack of noise reduction and TBC
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What's the better choise for my first tbc vcr?
Is it worth buying the DR10000 for its "ability to cure VHS tearing, much like the Panasonic DMR-ES10 DVD recorder does on pass-through"? Does it has the same disavantages of the es10?
The 7965EK is my favorite JVC PAL deck. There are other decent nearby models, 8965, 7960, etc.

JVC D-VHS anti-tearing isn't as a strong as the ES10/15, but it decent. But D-VHS decks generally play non-SP VHS/S-VHS much worse than an S-VHS deck. On my tracking/grading scale, most D-VHS decks are B- or B+, rarely A-/A+ grades.

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02-16-2020, 12:17 PM
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8960 will also work. same as the 8965 is my guess..
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I would go with the Blaupunkt RTV-950 or Panasonic FS-200 (both the same unit) if they are in good condition.
The Blaupunkt RTV-966 is the same as the RTV-965 but with some features for editing which are nowadays useless.
The JVC-9700 is too expensive and isn't better as the JVC-9600.
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02-28-2020, 02:30 PM
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Hello,
Being an european looking to capture some NTSC VHS i started to look for a VCR on ebay,
and i noticed that, unlike the PANASONIC VCRs, the power supply sticker on the JVC VCRs doesn't indicate a 50hz compatiblity;
my question is: Will i be able to power a JVC VCR correctly in europe ?
Thanks !
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02-28-2020, 03:36 PM
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... most of the time switched power supplies are used, the mains frequency isn't used like it was with the old CRT's in those early days...
only the rectified (& stabilezed) voltage/current is used, and the powersuply itself should work with 50/60 Hz.
only in very rare (old) instances it could matter.
If it could matter..... they would give you warnings ..... Also no 110/220 switeches are present ... (will do both)

The one thing you can come across, is that a NTSC vcr will play PAL as PAL60 and a PAL vcr will play NTSC50 (some capture devices can handle this, but a lot can't)
A true conversion vcr (multisystem) will playback correct tv systems.
Some recorder combo's will also be reasonable passthrough/playback devices, because they should burn a PAL disc or NTSC disc, NTSC and PAL system (content) can't be mixed (put together) onto one (dvd) disc.
in either case you capture PAL or NTSC, and digitize it to 720x480 (NTSC) or PAL 720x576 these formats will show you more than you want i guess , you can crop or mask, if that is what you want, or not.
(if the recordings are of good quality i like to crop and transform in some cases)

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The HR-DVS2U and HR-S9500U are mentioned in JVC's Brazilian website. Do these VCRs playback PAL-M tapes?
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03-05-2020, 05:34 AM
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There's a WiKi piece about it

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Why PAL-M
NTSC being the "natural" choice for countries with monochrome standard M, the choice of a different colour system poses problems of incompatibility with available hardware and the need to develop new television sets and production hardware. Walter Bruch, inventor of PAL, explains Brazil's choice of PAL over NTSC against these odds by an advertising campaign Telefunken and Philips carried out across South America in 1972, which included colour test broadcasts of popular shows (done with TV Globo) and technical demonstrations with executives of television stations.[1]

Compatibility
PAL-M signals are identical to North American NTSC signals, except for the encoding of the colour carrier. Therefore, PAL-M will display in monochrome with sound on an NTSC set and vice versa.

PAL-M is incompatible with 625-line based versions of PAL, because its frame rate, scan line, colour subcarrier and sound carrier specifications are different. It will therefore usually give a rolling and/or squashed monochrome picture with no sound on a native European PAL television, as do NTSC signals.

PAL-M systems conversion issues
PAL-M being a standard unique to one country, the need of to convert it to/from other standards often arises.

Conversion to/from NTSC is easy, as only the colour carrier needs to be changed. Frame rate and scan lines can remain untouched.
Conversion to/from PAL/625 lines/25 frame/s and SECAM/625/25 signals involves changing the frame rates as well as the scan lines. This is achieved using complicated circuitry involving a digital frame store, the same method used for converting between NTSC and the 625/25 standards. The fact that the colour encoding of PAL-M and PAL/625/25 is the same does not help, as the entire signal goes through an A/D-D/A conversion process anyway.
However some special VHS video recorders are available which can allow viewers the flexibility of enjoying PAL-M recordings using a standard PAL (625/50 Hz) colour TV, or even through multi-system TV sets. Video recorders like Panasonic NV-W1E (AG-W1 for the USA), AG-W2, AG-W3, NV-J700AM, Aiwa HV-MX100, HV-MX1U, Samsung SV-4000W and SV-7000W feature a digital TV system conversion circuitry. Some recorders support the other way around, being able to playback standard PAL (625/50 Hz) in 50 Hz-compatible PAL-M TV sets, such as the Panasonic NV-FJ605.
I guess conversion is not needed if your capture card accepts the M format and decodes it for you,
some hardware converters are not that picky, but you do have quality loss this way.

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SV-50...language=en_US

...or checkout the lists on this website...

btw. maybe M-PAL is not the same as PAL-M ? M-PAL could also refer to the tape loading system, something to watch out for.....

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The HR-DVS2U and HR-S9500U are mentioned in JVC's Brazilian website. Do these VCRs playback PAL-M tapes?
No, not that I am aware. Both of those are NTSC-only decks for North America.

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I guess conversion is not needed if your capture card accepts the M format
btw. maybe M-PAL is not the same as PAL-M ? .
- He mentioned Brazil, it's PAL-M.
- ATI AIW cards can capture most video signals, including PAL-M, PAL-N, SECAM, all NTSC, all PAL.
- The Samsung SV and Panasonic AG-W decks are just low-end consumer VCRs with multiformat. Very unremarkable decks, and a JVC/Panasonic with TBC native to the format is always suggested as a better option.

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03-05-2020, 06:22 AM
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Only when searching you will find M-PAL also, is what i mean, as a caveat.
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Hi There

I was just after some opinions please.

I have an opportunity to buy a JVC HR DVS2 for $250. Is this 1)a good price and 2)worth it?

I'm just trying to get a TBC based SVHS unit to get the best VHS playback. I currently have a JVC 5700.

I don't need the mini dv bit but finding a s-vhs unit is difficult at the best of times. So just want to know if this is a decent unit for VHS playback?

many thanks!
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Hi guys

I have a slight problem with my 7722 it needs re-aligning so had to get another machine till I can get it fixed.

Just won a 8600ek on the bay, not much about this machine on here is it a good worthy replacement? Only using it for capturing.

Thanks for any info on this machine.
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03-14-2020, 03:44 PM
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Should be pretty similar performance to the 7722, though it has the dynamic drum system that is a bit fragile.
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I just missed out the other day on a Panasonic FS200 NV-FS200B so I just hope this works until I get the 7722 fixed, only paid 57 for it. If there is a problem with it at least it's covered by eBay money back guarantee.

I keep missing out on certain models I want no matter the price, but I wont be forced into paying silly prices.
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03-22-2020, 12:07 PM
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Received the 8600EK

1st glance this machine looks and feels a much better build than the 7722. I have tried a couple of videos with TBC/NR enabled and it seems to work much better than the 7722 but is this because the 7722 needs re-aligning.

I haven't opened it up yet to see if it needs cleaning, it looks like it's never been open it's still sealed.
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hello sir,

I would like to find a VCR (PAL) to transfer my VHS tape to PC. I need only the best VCR for good audio output.
Could you please suggest me JVC or Panasonic? and which model is the best choice?
Thank you so much.
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03-25-2020, 01:53 AM
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sorry for duplicate comment
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03-25-2020, 07:48 AM
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They have a great post here on the purchasing of machines here , check it out VCR Buying Guide (S-VHS, D-VHS, Professional) for restoring video (your so close to it too! )
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03-27-2020, 04:55 AM
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Hi guys

I have a slight problem with my 7722 it needs re-aligning so had to get another machine till I can get it fixed.

Just won a 8600ek on the bay, not much about this machine on here is it a good worthy replacement? Only using it for capturing.

Thanks for any info on this machine.
The JVC HR-S 7722 is the same as the JVC HR-S 7700 from the year 2000. But with different color. The JVC 7700 was the first who offers the Expanded Technology here in europe.

The JVC HR-S8600 is the little brother of the legend HR-S9600. Both from 1999. There should be no difference except the 9600 offers to set and delete index markers and the foldable front panel.

Just as a reminder the Philips VR1500 based on the JVC HR-S8600.

If someone wish to have an JVC HR-S9600 (expensive), you should look out for the 8600 or the philips. You can save some money and they are often in better conditions.
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I think the VR1500 does not have the dynamic drum, which arguably is a plus.

Most of the PAL HR-S8x00 seems to be similar to the respective US HR-S7x00 model from what I've gathered. The PAL HR-S7xxx seem to be slightly cut down versions, e.g the 7600 lacks the dynamic drum.
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I think the VR1500 does not have the dynamic drum, which arguably is a plus.
Unfortunately not. The Philips VR1500 has the dynamic drum.

The Philips VR1600 which based on the JVC HR-S8700 has no dynamic drum if I remember right.

The Philips VR1000 based on the JVC HR-S7600.

Just to remember if someone read this. I'm only talking about europe PAL VCR's. I don't know anything about NTSC US VCR's if this are equal to europe versions.
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