Thank you, it was interesting. Will be waiting for your S7600e/S9600e compartment.
There is no models in PAL higher than 9600Eu could be found on eBay. So, 9500/9600 is the higher choose. (If someone wants to sell them - PM me, I'm interested). |
There's always the HM-DR1000, beats the 9000 PALs in every area of operation in my subjective opinion. :)
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From my experience, there are plenty of recommended models still available, it is possible to get the model you want and have it in great condition if you're patient. Prices are getting higher and there is no point in buying a unit unless you're convinced it will be worth it. There are models like the D-VHS, however, that are especially difficult to obtain if you live outside Europe. Since I live in Australia, it's not worth the effort for me when there are many other nice models that I can have directly shipped. It's not even an option to buy locally, in all my time I have seen just 1 high-end unit on eBay.com.au (mini-dv combo) which fetched much too high of a price for something untested/unserviced. Quote:
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9000 models have all the needed filters, isn't it? Or models, you gave links to are more interesting/functionally/image quality? ==== I have ability to buy JVC HR-S8955EE (looks like it is absolutely new, but it makes no much sense to me) and to buy HR-9500E/HR-9600E. Which one should I prefer? Why? |
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The HM-DR10000EU is the exception here. It's typically praised as being TOTL with superior transport, performance and PQ, also an enhanced TBC as already explained in this thread. I have seen some unfavorable comments about its NR though. These VCRs rarely show up, and are limited to shipping within Europe, though I suppose for most PAL users that's not a problem. They would likely be in better shape, being in less circulation means they could be less abused by hobbyists putting them to work. Interestingly, there's actually no age difference between this model and the HR-S9600EU - according to their manuals, both were manufactured in 1999. At this point, even a well-kept unit could be a gamble. The disadvantage of all JVCs, AFAIK, is that they are difficult to repair and have inferior transports compared to Panasonics. So it's especially important to buy one in good condition, preferably from someone who is knowledgeable on VCRs. I've read that the Dynamic Drum in models such as the 9600EU can be a problem source, and in my case, it's why my seller has taken steps to ensure it's not a problem. IMO making a decision on which particular JVC to buy comes second to finding any working Digipure-equipped model from a reputable seller - as I've read numerous times, they are all somewhat similar with an exception or two, and hunting for the ideal machine may not be practical. It is possible to acquire, but with patience. As for the HR-S8955, it would belong to the last of the classic models manufactured in 2000's, and as mentioned already, I've read that they are mechanically inferior to the older machines. But if you're convinced it's in great condition, it's reasonably priced and especially with warranty, it could be a good choice. The 9500 and 9600 EU are more of a risk due to being older, having Dynamic Drum, and actually in wider circulation from what I've seen; they may have passed through more hands, the latter being a kind of cult model and popular for capture work. But it does depend on the seller, and I've been led to believe the 9600EU is the better machine, as long as it's in top order. Also be aware that a working unit can become a faulty unit during shipping, simply from incompetent packing. Make sure that whoever you're buying from has a good track record for delivering items safely. |
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Important to note: PAL doesn't really have all the tape-based issues like NTSC does, because there's only two recording modes: SP and LP. While E180 tapes are six hours in long-play mode, it's just LP, and LP is close to SP in quality. NTSC uses T120 tapes at a highly compressed/overlapping SLP (or EP) mode, and it has issues. This is something to always keep in mind when having international discussions on which VCR is "best", as many of us NTSC users look at the dreaded SLP/EP performance. Quote:
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There's been times when many HM-DR1000's are up for auction simultaneously. Prices have been cheap too. Some years ago they were in the 500-1000€ range but nowdays it's only a couple of hundred. Seems like none is up for sale just now but with a little wait I bet there'll be some soon.
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We've been verifying the models one by one, instead of just randomly publishing a list like most of sites would do. It wouldn't be ethical to recommend somebody spend money on something if we're not sure our advice is accurate and reliable. In the Wikipedia era, I know that sounds shocking, but some of us actually like providing useful information, not just stuffing websites full of "content". That model was verified a while back -- a number of them were, in fact. The site to-do list is just rather long, and we've not gotten back to list updates just yet. I just now updated the list with the 9600. Several of the 77xx models belong, too. Make sense? :) |
I value your feedback kpmedia, there's an abundance of confusing and contradicting info out there and it's nice to get some clarification from professionals. A couple of things I'd like to continue discussing:
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A number of JVC models appear to be the same machine with multiple model numbers. The Panasonic AG-1980P, for example, had a lot of variations throughout the life of its model line. I think JVC just gave new variations of existing models a new model number. I think that's one reason we have models like the 7722, 7955 and 7965. These are essentially the same machines. A number of JVC VCRs share the same service manuals.
The JVC VCR models were also not necessarily linear. Higher/lower numbers are not always telling, even if it is true most of the time. I would never put a VHS-C or S-VHS-C tape in any JVC S-VHS VCR, even using a high grade JVC C-P7U adapter. Take that quality adapter and put it into a Panasonic VCR. The transport and heads just seem to function better on the compact VHS-based formats. Again, it's not that JVC is bad in any way, simply that the full-sized VCRs were not made for playing micro-format tapes, and the Panasonic decks just tend to work more reliably in this specific niche scenario. B.E.S.T. can be amazing, or it can be the W.O.R.S.T. quality. Pun intended. It's one of those settings that you need to try on, then off, and observe carefully to see which looks best. Let your eyes guide you. ---- Assuming you have decent vision, know how to look carefully, and are doing so on an adequate sized television to see flaws. That's always the rub; sometimes people are semi-blind, oblivious to flaws, and monitoring it on a 12" TV from 1990. I've never heard of a VCR "silently erasing" a tape by accident. |
i hate the f-ing VHS-C tapes.
i even had an AG-1980 eat one i take the VHS-C tapes apart and transfer the tape inside into full size VHS housings. that way they dont get eaten and can be played in a JVC VCR |
Weird. I've never had any big problems with any of the hundreds of PAL VHS-C's I've done. Using JVC C-P6BKU adapter and mostly Panasonic gear. Sometimes JVC. With Panasonic NV-HS1000 the eject mechanism will throw the JVC adapter half a meter to the air if you don't stop it with your hand before that- a bit annoying thing to forget at times..
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From what I remember, the HR-Sx800 models came out in late 1999-2000. They downgraded the 7800, while the 9800 remained largely the same as the 9600. The 7600 was a 9600 with 2Mbit Digipure, but built on the 9600 chassis and kept its features otherwise. The 7800 was based on the 5800's chassis and only added 2Mbit Digipure. |
Regarding VHS-C, there is a VCR I know of that is built to play them, along with regular VHS - the Panasonic NV-V8000, with PAL versions of the same name and also rebranded as a Blaupunkt RTV-1000FC. Here is a clip of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cXDFlQtLCo
I haven't found a lot of info on it, except that it was built in 1991 and was extremely high-end, a so-called "King of the editing equipment" as one site describes it. There was recently a refurbished model available on eBay, unfortunately I couldn't afford it and it was confined to shipping within Europe anyway. I would love to try out this deck though. Also, it's about 14kg. Edit: Another model I've seen mentioned that has a VHS and VHS-C transports - the JVC BR-S622. I know nothing about this one, but judging by its name, it must've been a pro model. Quote:
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... assuming it has a line TBC, and actually makes the video look better than the original tape. After all, that's why people so adore the JVC and Panasonic S-VHS decks -- it improves the video, unlike consumer VCRs. I don't use this VCR, so I don't recall all of its features off-hand. :o |
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Just realize that an external TBC doesn't provide the same function as an internal line TBC.
That's explained in depth here: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/vide...time-base.html |
should add the sr-vs10 and sr-vs20 to the list.
i got a vs20 here and it is a very nice unit. made in Japan with an all steel chassis and has 4mb frame memory. |
Adding this to the conversation...
Panasonic NV-HS 880 comes without TBC -- has only DNR. Panasonic PAL models with TBC, from oldest to the last model:
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I was looking at this JVC model on Ebay, which is the JVC BR-S822DXU. I am sure one of these decks would be perfect for capturing tapes since these are the professional decks. Any thoughts on that particular model?
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