Quantcast VCR Buying Guide (S-VHS, D-VHS, Professional) for restoring video - Page 6 - digitalFAQ Forum
Go Back    Forum > Digital Video > Video Project Help > Restore, Filter, Improve Quality

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #101  
02-17-2013, 03:58 PM
Mejnour Mejnour is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 275
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by volksjager View Post
the ones you want if you are doing NTSC tapes are the AG-1980 or the AG-5710 - they are the 2 best
they have an awesome TBC and are great with EP tapes.

the 1960 and 1970 are too damned old, will mostly like have cap problems and are not worth having serviced.
Hi volksjager,

So you telling me that there is no AG-1980 or AG-5710 little brother that come from the same generation with same mechanical efficient tape transport without the TBC.
Reply With Quote
  #102  
02-17-2013, 04:12 PM
volksjager volksjager is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,023
Thanked 206 Times in 189 Posts
the 1970 does indeed have a great transport - but the TBC is weak and that is important.
the 1960 and 1970 are also much older - the 1970 ended production in 1995 when the 1980 began.
so we are talking an almost 20 year old deck that is known to have cap issues
the chances are you wont get one that does not need servicing (despite what an ebay seller will claim)
and the cost of service will far exceed the value of the deck.
1980's and 5710 are worth the cost of service - 1960's and 1970's are not.
the 1980 and 5710 where made until 2001
Reply With Quote
  #103  
02-21-2013, 02:58 PM
hicks522 hicks522 is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Hi, yesterday i bought a Panasonic NV-SV 120 from a person here in Slovenija, and wanna hear if I made a good deal or not.

The picture is working gr8, tested it on some realy old and newer cassetts. The commands are all ok, also the outputs work fine. The inside looks spotles also. But i think it does not have TBC... or yes? TBH i don't understand well the meaning of TBC. I have it plugged to a Yamaha RX-V1600 reciever and it sounds realy nice.

I was looking to buy a NV-HS 1000 2 weaks a go from italy, missed it for some reason and another guy got first. Then the same person was selling a NV-HS 950, but decided to keep it (bad luck i guess)

When i was at my teens i borrowed a NV-HS 950, been recording a lot with it. Thats why i was looking for a S-VHS VCR for a long time.

Too bad i haven't seen this forum before :S

Thanks for the tips!
Reply With Quote
  #104  
02-22-2013, 09:56 AM
Thor263 Thor263 is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 3
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mejnour View Post
Hi volksjager,

So you telling me that there is no AG-1980 or AG-5710 little brother that come from the same generation with same mechanical efficient tape transport without the TBC.
I've actually had very good luck with the AG-2560 - it has a very good transport thats tracks problematic tapes very well and it doesn't have TBC. I got turned on to it after orsetto's many posts over on videohelp recommending it.
Reply With Quote
  #105  
02-22-2013, 10:00 AM
volksjager volksjager is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,023
Thanked 206 Times in 189 Posts
the AG-2560 is not even a Super-VHS and does not have S-video - i would not recommend it at all.
Videohelp has more bad information than good.
most users over there are more interested in saving a buck than doing the job right.
Reply With Quote
  #106  
02-22-2013, 10:28 AM
Thor263 Thor263 is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 3
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Oh, right, I do forget the AG-2560 is not a S-VHS vcr and that is what this thread is for.

However, for a non S-VHS vcr, I can highly recommend it. Nice picture and great tracking.
Reply With Quote
  #107  
02-24-2013, 07:52 AM
kpmedia's Avatar
kpmedia kpmedia is offline
Site Staff | Web Hosting, Photo
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 4,241
Thanked 354 Times in 332 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by hicks522 View Post
Hi, yesterday i bought a Panasonic NV-SV 120 from a person here in Slovenija, and wanna hear if I made a good deal or not.
I don't remember all the models offhand, but if it has a TBC it's good.
If not, meh.

It's really that easy, for this series of PAL Panasonic units.

- Did my advice help you? Then become a Premium Member and support this site.
- Please Like Us on Facebook | Follow Us on Twitter

- Need a good web host? Ask me for help! Get the shared, VPS, semi-dedicated, cloud, or reseller you need.
Reply With Quote
  #108  
03-11-2013, 08:45 AM
donatello donatello is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Hello, I've read through lots of posts on this forum and the entire VCR Buying Guide thread, and there's a ton of great information from folks who seem to really know their stuff, but it's all pretty overwhelming. I have a lot of tapes that I would love to back up digitally, but I'm unsure of what machine would be the best way to go.

Most of my tapes that I want to back up are 20+ years old and recorded in EP/SLP mode, and a lot of them have tough to get rid of, white static-like tracking lines and lots of dark-looking noise in the occurrence of bright reds and oranges. Rainbow-colored chroma noise is sometimes an issue, too. I know the tapes can't be perfect, but I am hopeful that they can probably look a little better than they do now.

Is this something a TBC could help? Is one type of TBC better suited to this case than another? Would DNR be a useful feature? I have looked at the list of VCRs with TBC, but I didn't know which of those also feature DNR.

Right now, the capture device I am using is a Canopus ADVC 110. If there is another that would work better, I would appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks a ton!
Reply With Quote
  #109  
03-11-2013, 09:15 AM
volksjager volksjager is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,023
Thanked 206 Times in 189 Posts
for EP tapes get a Panasonic AG-1980 VCR
just make sure you buy one that is fully tested - many ebay sellers either dont test them at all or dont know how to test them properly.
i have 1 left for sale if interested - it is posted in the marketplace

that Canapus device is not really good for VHS captures
get an ATI capture card
an AIW if using windows XP
or a ATI600USB if using vista or 7

you may also need an External TBC box as well
Reply With Quote
The following users thank volksjager for this useful post: lordsmurf (03-12-2013)
  #110  
03-12-2013, 01:43 AM
lordsmurf's Avatar
lordsmurf lordsmurf is online now
Site Staff | Video
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,287
Thanked 1,372 Times in 1,207 Posts
How many tapes are we talking?
If under 50, use a service -- it's cheaper. If under 100, you'll break even if you buy a good setup, so again, use a service.
So keep that in mind.

The S-VHS VCR TBC helps, yes. It cleans the image/picture up. It removes chroma noise especially.
The external TBC cleans the signal. (Not the same. Which is why you need to get both!)

The "white static-like tracking lines" may be dropouts, and there's nothing you can do for this.

You may need a proc amp for "lots of dark-looking noise".

DNR is the TBC in a VCR. It's more like DNR+TBC.

The ATI AIW and ATI 600 cards are best -- much better than a Canopus ADVC-110.

For EP/SLP, you need a Panasonic AG-1980.

- Did my advice help you? Then become a Premium Member and support this site.
- Find television shows, cartoons, DVDs and Blu-ray releases at the TVPast forums.
Reply With Quote
  #111  
03-12-2013, 08:12 AM
donatello donatello is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks for the replies and advice.

I'd say at least 100 tapes is a conservative estimate, and most are ones that are rare/irreplaceable enough that I'd hate to turn them over to someone else. A lot of them have been transferred to DVD via a Sony VCR/DVD combo just to have another copy, but I am definitely shooting for quality back-ups.

I actually bought an AG 1980 a while back that has been in the shop for months because it can't eject a tape and their guy can't figure it out. I'm not sure if this is fixable, or if I should just cut my losses and look for a working one.

Is there a certain kind of external TBC or proc amp that is best suited to this kind of thing?

After looking up drop out, the static/lines I was referring to are definitely tracking related.
Reply With Quote
  #112  
03-12-2013, 09:37 AM
admin's Avatar
admin admin is offline
Site Staff | Web Development
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,367
Thanked 584 Times in 437 Posts
For suggested TBC, read this: What is a TBC? Time Base Correction for Videotapes (post #3)
For proc amps, the Elite Video BVP4, SignVideo PA-100, or a Vidicraft unit. In that order.

- Did this site help you? Then upgrade to Premium Member and show your support!
- Also: Like Us on Facebook for special DVD/Blu-ray news and deals!
Reply With Quote
  #113  
07-17-2013, 09:38 AM
Member-X Member-X is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 14
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I hope this is the right forum section to ask.

Let's say I have money to burn, what's the best of the best* (vcr)? And preferably a pal model that can play pal vhs (svhs isn't important). I've also been looking at some vcr's, that I understand are pro vcr decks, tv station stuff.
For example: http://www.ebay.de/itm/JVC-BR-S-811-...item25793643e7

Would a vcr like that be significantly better (or worse) than any prosumer model?

*= A matter of taste and opinion too I guess.
Reply With Quote
  #114  
07-17-2013, 01:24 PM
sodality sodality is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
I'm no expert but would recommend the JVC HR-S9600 or HR-S9700.
You can also look for the Sharp VC-S2000 or some Philips models (1000/1200/1500).
From Panasonic the FS-200 or the HS-1000 are the best.

With the pro decks you can have luck or not (got a Sony with only 36 drum hours that works like a charm) but usually I would avoid them! They are not better!

Hope this helps a bit

sorry if my english isn't correct
Reply With Quote
The following users thank sodality for this useful post: Member-X (07-18-2013)
  #115  
07-17-2013, 07:46 PM
lordsmurf's Avatar
lordsmurf lordsmurf is online now
Site Staff | Video
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,287
Thanked 1,372 Times in 1,207 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Member-X View Post
Let's say I have money to burn, what's the best of the best* (vcr)? And preferably a pal model that can play pal vhs (svhs isn't important).
The HR-S8xxx series, such as the PAL JVC HR-S8965EK.
Or the Panasnic line, such as the Panasonic NV-HS1000 or Panasonic NV-FS200.

Quote:
I've also been looking at some vcr's, that I understand are pro vcr decks, tv station stuff. For example: JVC-BR-S-811
Complete waste of money. That item may be "professional" but it's not the right component for the job. It's not useful for playing VHS tapes or S-VHS tapes. It's primarily a recording unit, and an ancient one at that. (i.e., Likely to have all kinds of problems and worn out parts.)

Quote:
Would a vcr like that be significantly better (or worse) than any prosumer model?
There's nothing inferior about a prosumer model, and nothing superior about a professional model. Prosumer means the item has consumer features in it, and well as professional. In many cases, the pro features vastly outweigh the consumer features. Few have been added. In the case of VCRs, you want the prosumer item in most cases. The only exception is really latter-generation "professional" models, which resemble prosumer items from 5-10 years earlier. Realize the what's "pro" is as subjective as "best".

Quote:
*= A matter of taste and opinion too I guess.
Only up to a point. There's an obvious group of 10-20 "best". Which exact one you want, however, is the up to debate. For example, JVC dynamic drum or not. Or JVC vs. Panasonic, which is heavily affected by the tapes in your collection. So while it's partially subjective, there's most certainly "best" VCRs to start from.

Hope that helps clarify it for you.

- Did my advice help you? Then become a Premium Member and support this site.
- Find television shows, cartoons, DVDs and Blu-ray releases at the TVPast forums.
Reply With Quote
The following users thank lordsmurf for this useful post: Member-X (07-18-2013)
  #116  
07-18-2013, 03:01 AM
Member-X Member-X is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 14
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by lordsmurf View Post
Only up to a point. There's an obvious group of 10-20 "best". Which exact one you want, however, is the up to debate. For example, JVC dynamic drum or not. Or JVC vs. Panasonic, which is heavily affected by the tapes in your collection. So while it's partially subjective, there's most certainly "best" VCRs to start from.

Hope that helps clarify it for you.
Yes it does, thanks to the both of you. Though the model numbers are confusing. Here's a bunch of JVC's, any of those "hit the spot" so to speak?

I have lots of very old rental tapes, so the best one for old rentals would be right one.
If I've understod correct, a HR-S9*** model might not be an better than a HR-S8*** series model. I'm hope I'm on the right track.

I currently have a JVC HM-DR10000 and assume one of those "10-20 "best" would be better than my DR10000?
Reply With Quote
  #117  
07-18-2013, 03:05 AM
lordsmurf's Avatar
lordsmurf lordsmurf is online now
Site Staff | Video
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,287
Thanked 1,372 Times in 1,207 Posts
9850
9700
9600
8700

7711
7722
7700
7600

There's several great models.

Just refer to this guide on the first page of this thread. I need to add some more, I think. It's not complete.

- Did my advice help you? Then become a Premium Member and support this site.
- Find television shows, cartoons, DVDs and Blu-ray releases at the TVPast forums.
Reply With Quote
The following users thank lordsmurf for this useful post: Member-X (07-18-2013)
  #118  
07-18-2013, 03:37 AM
Member-X Member-X is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 14
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by lordsmurf View Post
9850
9700
9600
8700

7711
7722
7700
7600

There's several great models.

Just refer to this guide on the first page of this thread. I need to add some more, I think. It's not complete.
Thank you. Though there's so many models, I'm not sure which one to buy.
Reply With Quote
  #119  
07-18-2013, 05:12 AM
juhok juhok is offline
Premium Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 379
Thanked 99 Times in 84 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Member-X View Post
I currently have a JVC HM-DR10000 and assume one of those "10-20 "best" would be better than my DR10000?
In my opinion and experience DR-10000 most def is better than 9xxx and 8xxx.
Reply With Quote
The following users thank juhok for this useful post: lordsmurf (07-18-2013)
  #120  
07-18-2013, 10:44 AM
Member-X Member-X is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 14
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by juhok View Post
In my opinion and experience DR-10000 most def is better than 9xxx and 8xxx.
So there's no step up from Dr-10000?
Reply With Quote
Reply




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Manuals for JVC video gear, used for restoring video [DOWNLOADS] robjv1 Video Hardware Repair 1 02-11-2011 04:19 PM
VCR Buying Guide (S-VHS, D-VHS, Professional) for best video capturing admin Capture, Record, Transfer 0 12-16-2010 03:40 PM
Manuals for Sign Video/Studio 1 video gear, used for restoring video [DOWNLOADS] robjv1 Video Hardware Repair 1 08-20-2010 01:19 PM
Editing with Womble MPEG Video Wizard [VIDEO GUIDE] admin Edit Video, Audio 12 03-05-2009 10:39 AM
What hardware for restoring/cleaning video ? couldbe Restore, Filter, Improve Quality 3 03-16-2004 03:42 PM

Thread Tools



 
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:31 PM