New comers rarerluy understand the damage inflicted by upscaling standard def analog sources with software to HD sizes. If you think it looks good to you, you're going to find yourself largely alone among those with better eyes. But do whatever you want. Your players and Tv can upscale far better with hardware than you can with software.
There's a proper way to speed up PAL to NTSC by using pulldown techniques without creating freaky speeded-up video. But if you want to speed up your videos as you propose, don't be surprised if a few readers give that idea a little chuckle. Thank goodness they're not my videos. By the way, if you ever want to make authored HD BluRays from those videos,1080p/50 and 1080p/60 are not allowed, and many media players will choke on it. I'm afraid you'll have to carry your Oppo with you if you want to share with others. |
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Thanks for advising, I will experiment with PAL to NTSC by using pulldown techniques.
I learned on my setup that upscaling done in SW looks better than letting HW to do it in Oppo 95, Toshiba HD-XA2. I agree that a standard BDAM BluRay disc does not support 1080p/60, but BDAV does as per it's specs . Majority of BluRay players support BDAV, as well as they support 1080p/60 burnt on DVD-R as AVCHD. But at the moment I just want to preserve my videos from further degradation, all format changes can be done any time later. I am afraid that my VCR player can stop working at any time as my camcorder did already, all those rubber belts, rolls, plastic parts inside start dissolving, tape tracking mechanism stops working. |
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https://www.videohelp.com/hd#tech https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154533 We're discussing official BluRay authored disc formats here, not generic .ts or .m2ts encoded for HDD/memory storage playback. We'll be waiting for your posts questioning why some players choke on1080p/60. |
Blu Ray does support 1080p/60, it has to be authored as BDAV.
Talking about BDAV as an official BluRay authored disc format: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.m2ts http://www.ezr8.com/m2ts.html If BDAV burnt on BR media it will be supported by all players at standard BDMV speeds. This is how people storing, playing, sharing 1060p/60 files that were shoot by their HD camcorders and not using any recompression. BDAV is Blu Ray standard, one of the difference vs. BDMV that there is no menus. All players support Blu Ray BDAV. Many players support BDAV burnt on DVD-R. I am not talking here about AVCHD. |
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Many people shoot 1080p with their cameras. But they can't author BD discs with that structure. I'd be willing to accept what you say, but you haven't proven your case. It's all moot. You'll likely never get around to authoring BluRay discs anyway. That OPPO player's very nice. Mine lasted 6 years of everyday use. Traded it in on a newer one that accepts more media. The first link above refers to the supported BD formats on a Wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ra...file_structure. See if you can find a BDAV discussion that furnishes a chart or table like the one below that shows 1080/50p or 1080/60p as valid for HD BD-ROM. http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/atta...1&d=1515796744 |
Many people shoot 1080p with their cameras and author BDAV with that structure with no any re-encoding. You juts need to use the right authoring program for this. This was discussed on various forums, an example:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/161-ca...derer-4-a.html Tmpgenc Smart Renderer is the SW tools that authors 1080/60p files to BluRay discs as BDAV. You can simply cut unwanted fragments and during authoring phase only transition areas are re-encoded. Smart Renderer allows to author 1080/60p m2ts files arranging them in to BDAV container to conform with Blu Ray standard. I use that tool for my camcorder files. Try to download the demo and check how it works. Smart renderer allows to author BADAV only if files conform that spec requirements. |
I've used TMPGenc Smart Renderer since 2005 when it was called TMPGenc MPEG Editor. You wanna prove that it's giving you valid BDAV, cut a piece of an authored BD disc from a using TMPGEnc and post it. BDAV is an alternative consumer format to BDMV for BD video with no menus or any of the usual interactive features. It is closer to AVCHD and is mostly compatible with players that can play AVCHD.
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...o-on-a-blu-ray |
I am using TMPGENnsc tools since year 2003. TMPGenc MPEG Editor is totally different tool comparing to Smart Renderer. Only Smart Renderer and Video Mastering Works has capabilities to author a valid BDAV.
TMPGenc MPEG Editor can not authort BDAV. BDAV is more like a container for M2TS files. I will try to drop a short fragment of movie authored as BDAV. But you can also download a free demo. I am trying to bring this idea to this forum as my contribution, as it looks like a big kept secret :) I have uploaded a 12 seconds 1080/60p clip from my camcorder. I used the .mts file from my camcorder (just shot for this test) imported to Smart Renderer and authored BDAV, resulting in BDAV folder with all files. The m2ts file inside has the same properties, size as an original from camcorder: http://www.mediafire.com/file/qvv2r30l26pqcs7/BDAV.zip You can burn this folder to BD-R or to DVD-R. To get DVD-R with BDAV folder on it as BDAV compliant disc use ImgBurn, UDF 2.5 structure and burn it (let me know if need an advsise on ImgBurn settings to get that BDAV properly burnt on DVD-R). Try how well it plays on any your player. |
Thank you for the sample.
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All that aside, if you examine what you have in the folder structure of your BDAV discs you'll see, besides nothing for interactive features, the BDAV structure is the same as AVCHD. Everybody knows that all those kids out there with HD cameras aren't shooting BluRay at 60fps. They're shooting double-rate AVCHD for Memory/progressive format. Or look at it another way: essentially BDAV/59.94i Authoring = AVCHD for progressive media. TMPGenc's Video Mastering Works would not allow re-encoding this video for BluRay BDAV/BluRay disc at 59.94 fps, it only allowed AVCHD/Progressive at that frame size and speed -- which basically means that it's written to BluRay disc as data. TMPGenc Authoring Works would not allow BDAV or BDMV at 59.94 fps. It would allow a "BluRay" choice only by re-encoding to 29.97 fps. The only 59.94p choice available in Authoring Works is "AVCHD for Progressive Devices". Any other form of AVCHD or BluRay would be re-encoded to 29.97 fps. This is what I'm trying to tell you. At 1920x1080p/59.94 you maintain that you have BluRay. I maintain that what you have is the same thing as one form of AVCHD. |
I've never been anti-format (or "format") as long as you recognize the limitations. This BDAV issues seems a lot like the old xVCD issue from 15+ years ago. It's not officially supported, but may still work due to the chips in the BD players. Sort of like MPEG-2 audio on NTSC DVD. Not official, yet often works.
I'm not sure what this has to do with PAL capture cards anymore. I'm thinking this needs to be split off to its own thread. He's not the OP, and the topic changed drastically. |
The point is that Smart Renderer allows to author 180/60p to BDAV. The BDAV is supported by all BluRay players, as it is a part of BluRay spec. and is mandatory for all players, all players must support BDAV, and they do. Where AVCHD is supported only by a few players, and only AVCHD 2.0 by the specs supports 60p. The BDAV structure is similar but not the same as BDAV. My camcorder shoots at 1080/60p creating an actual 60fps stream. That mpeg 2 file is in compliancy to be used to author BDAV.
My mistake regarding TMPGenc's Video Mastering Works, it does not allow to author BDAV. It's been a long time ago I have been playing with this. The Smart Renderer allows. It has those setting to author 1080/60p, no ned to re encode it. Did you have a chance to check, examine the file from BDAV folder I have uploaded, was using Smart Renderer? Or just try to download Smart Renderer demo. If you will finally convince your self that this actually true, I would advise to make a tutorial, start separate topic on this forum. Again, I am not the only one use this tool for 1080/60p. Anyway, I came here for capturing advise. Did not want to derail this topic. Sorry for being off topic. I did not see Lordsmurf's post. |
Authoring Works allows authoring to AVCHD for Progressive Devices -- which is the same thing (exactly, bit for bit) that you're getting from Renderer. Mastering Works does the same thing but calls it AVCHD. I just did it using all three programs with your sample, and they all came out exactly the same way. Set Authoring Works for "No Menu" and you get your same BDAV structure and files.
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I tried some capturing with Remote desktop, but its a lot of hassle. I'm returning it. |
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Setting up the ATI 600 is in fact much easier under Linux. There is a detailed manual, including hardware overview, in LinuxTV. But the short story is - install xc3028-l firmware from your package manager, or if you don't have it, download it from steventooth.net, then copy it to /lib/firmware. That is, if you have kernel 2.6.27+, which you probably will, unless you want to experiment with distributions from 15 years ago. Configuring is done using "Qt V4l2 test utility". All the options, that ATI control panel under Windows has, are available here. Just make sure you "open" the correct video device - in my case it was /dev/video1. The screenshots below illustrate my words. Monitoring the levels is possible using ffmpeg, and in my opinion it is much more flexible than VirtualDub. The fancy filtering guide in their documentation shows how to visualize the video input as histogram, waveform and vectorscope. I prefer using a waveform to verify I am within the safe limits, because I understand it better than the histogram, but it is a matter of taste. And that's it! You are ready to start capturing. You do not need to worry neither about the driver, or if it is the correct version, nor about ATi's stuff. As for built-in audio chips, I am a 100% with lordsmurf and sanlyn - find something else. Personally, I use Alesis IO/2. |
The ATI 600 USB audio works well, if you can hack the registry (Windows). Unsure what exists in Linux for similar workaround.
Beware audio lag when using external audio for the card. There is delay to be compensated for. I'll have to try this soon. Using Xubuntu 16 x86 on that system. |
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Another option is to set the volume in Qt V4L2. You can see it on the second screenshot in my previous post. I can't comment audio quality, though. I have never heard of Empiatech audio chips before I bought the ATi 600, so they are the same as Realtek to me. This is why I prefer using my Alesis audio interface, that I know is of good quality and I have already done many recordings with. Music is my hobby, by the way, this is why I have it. :) As for audio lag, yes you are right, it is always there, and it has to be compensated one way or another. What I do is I capture audio through JACK (something like ASIO drivers in Windows), so that I can adjust the latency. Just like in ASIO it depends on buffer size and number, and the sampling frequency. It is usually not much - less than 50 ms, but I shift back audio to match video perfectly anyway. Attaching another screenshot, this time of JACK's settings. |
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