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02-05-2019, 09:12 AM
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Hello,
After starting and then stopping this process of the last 10 years (lol), I finally think I'm going to get to work to convert my old VHS and Hi8 tapes into a digital format before the tapes go bad. Over the years I have bought various VCRs and Camcorders to accomplish this. I was hoping the experts on this forum could assist and let me know the best way to use the hardware I already have and if possible, some better models, if the model I have isn't that great (thinking my Digital 8 camcorder).

Capture Device:
Hauppauge HD PVR - The first revision with SVIDEO, Component input. Can capture in TS and mp4

VCRs:
Panasonic DMR-EH75V - Originally bought this to do quick and easy VHS to DVD. I had read that this has pretty good playback out through SVIDEO (Component too?)
JVC HR-DVS3U - Used this in college in a one of our labs and ended up getting one of my own 5 years ago or so. I really liked how it could convert VHS to digital over firewire. Recently I have read that this ISNT the best way to convert it. This is the newest model SVHS player I own, but don't know if it is actually better than the other VCRs I have.
JVC HR-VP634U - I found this at a Goodwill years ago. I pretty much only bought it because it was SVHS and I assumed it may have better playback over a normal VHS player
JVC HR-S5000U - I got this at a Goodwill too. From what I've read, this is one of the first SVHS players.

VCR Summary: I am unsure which of these would give me the best quality output. In my testing before, I found that the DMR-EH75V could output VHS through component, so I thought that could be the best output because it is the highest quality output on the newest VCR I had. When I got the HR-DVS3U, I thought VHS through DV to PC was awesome and easy, but like I said before I have read that it is not a great way to capture it. In the case of the SVHS players, the best they can do is SVIDEO so I'm unsure if these are any better than the DMR-EH75V or the HR-DVS3U.

Camcorder:
Sony DCR-TRV480: Our Hi8 camcorder we used to record these tapes failed years ago and I ended up tracking down a Digital 8 camcorder for the same reason I got the HR-DVS3U above - DV output to PC. Like above, this seems to be a bad way to capture. Researching on this model, it is one of the worse because all it has is composite out - SVIDEO was removed in this model. If anything needs to be purchased for this project, maybe it will be a camera with SVIDEO out, unless the quality of Hi8 tapes captured via DV capture vs SVIDEO won't be worth it.

Sorry for the wall of text, but ultimately I'm trying to figure out the best way to capture the tapes I have. Throughout the years I have gathered various players and I am hoping the experts on this forum could help me figure out what the best way to capture these tapes would be.

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That DVS3U is nice for VHS, just not DV. Not sure what you read, where, or buy who. It just needs to be in good condition, which is usually the challenge.

Those Goodwill models are probably worth the $10 paid, and not much more.

The combo VHS/DVD will yield lousy quality, probably the worst of the lot.

Components is not better than s-video for VHS, just different, and usually not in a good way due to the processing done to convert the signal to component output (internal digitizing, ghosting, maybe deinterlacing, etc). This varies widely, not worth the effort.

DV conversion from analog is not a good idea. A good Hi8 camera is decently available, good price, even on eBay.

Which model Hauppauge? Most are not good cards, especially HD era.

You'll need external TBC between VCR and capture card, to prevent dropped frames, audio sync, and other capture issues. External framesync TBC different from internal VCR line TBC. You need both.

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That DVS3U is nice for VHS, just not DV. Not sure what you read, where, or buy who. It just needs to be in good condition, which is usually the challenge.

Those Goodwill models are probably worth the $10 paid, and not much more.

The combo VHS/DVD will yield lousy quality, probably the worst of the lot.

Components is not better than s-video for VHS, just different, and usually not in a good way due to the processing done to convert the signal to component output (internal digitizing, ghosting, maybe deinterlacing, etc). This varies widely, not worth the effort.

DV conversion from analog is not a good idea. A good Hi8 camera is decently available, good price, even on eBay.

Which model Hauppauge? Most are not good cards, especially HD era.

You'll need external TBC between VCR and capture card, to prevent dropped frames, audio sync, and other capture issues. External framesync TBC different from internal VCR line TBC. You need both.
Interesting. Thanks for the info. Do you have a model you'd recommend for a Hi8 camera? I

don't know anything about TBCs. I just assumed you plugged the VCR into the capture device and just hit record. Is there a good, but inexpensive TBC? I looked up some on eBay and they were over $300.

This is the capture device I have: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hdpvr.html.
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I found a localish eBay seller selling a Sony CCD-TRV101. Is this one of the best Hi8 camera with TBC and other good features?
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02-06-2019, 04:15 PM
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IMO Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc. is a crap shoot, but may be very low price compared to eBay. And with any luck, if the machine doesn't have a PBJ shoved into the tape slot it just might be a low mileage unit donated by someone who didn't know the true value what they had. (In any case the thrift shop staff will likely be clueless as to what they really have.)

If it is cheap and looks clean and not abused, you could give it a try, and call it a donation if it doesn't work out.
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What is a good price for the 101?
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I ended up finding a low priced CCD-TRV615 that was sold "parts only" because the seller didn't have a power cable to test it. It works perfectly. I am now trying to figure out whether I should plug it via SVIDEO in my Hauppauge HDPVR I linked above, or get a USB AIW. My Hauppauge captures in H.264 into .ts, .m2ts and .mp4.

Now I am looking for a TBC, but am unsure how much I should expect to pay for a DataVideo TBC-1000 as that seems to be the best one. Would there be a stark quality difference to run it through a ES15 DVD Recorder over the TBC-1000?

Is this what my setup would end up being?
VHS:
DVS3U* -> ES15 or TBC-1000 -> AIW USB or ATI USB or HDPVR* -> PC*

8mm/Hi8 Tapes:
TRV615* -> AIW USB or ATI USB or HDPVR* -> PC*

(*)own hardware

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