Unless I did something wrong, but I think I didn't :!:
It's plain and simple thing.
I just went to Nero, clicked on Extras/File Encoding/Add file and then selected the output file format to be "MPEG-4 Advanced Audio Coding" and selected constant bitrate of 40Kbps, Encoder quality = HIGH and GO :!:

-kwag

Hi Karl,
I downloaded the files and heard them.
You don't need to book an appointment with your doctor :lol:
Anyway, watch out :arrow: the AAC file is not 44khz :!:
Can you check that?
Cheers

8O true!

hey Kwag, do it again and do it right or you'll get an strike! :hihi:

Why the hell dir Nero downsample :?: :x
There's NO option to do that :!:
I'm going to encode the AAC sample with FAAC and with PsyTel encoders.

Stay tunned ...

-kwag

Here we go:

http://www.kvcd.net/test-faac.aac
http://www.kvcd.net/test-psytel.aac

And again (same as in prevoius posts) the ogg file:
http://www.kvcd.net/test-ogg-40kbps.ogg

And the original (same as in previous posts) uncompressed WAV file:
http://www.kvcd.net/test-uncompressed.wav

I made sure the AAC files were encoded at 44.1Khz this time.

Tha FAAC is total crap at low bitrates :!:
The PsyTel is very good, but missing WAY too many of the high frequency spectrum frequencies.

-kwag

Hi big K :)
Totally agree with your Psytel and FAAC remarks.
But the question will remain: how would Nero perform if there was a way of configuring it NOT to downsample...
Anyway, I don't think it would overcome Ogg quality.
Indeed Ogg is too damn close to MP3 at the present time.
I've been very quiet about this, but I am also very much interested in music compression.
I always keep my eyes in Hydrogenaudio forums too.
But Ogg compatibility is still an issue.
Let me put it this way: Ogg would stand in the MPEG-4 place as MP3 would stand in KVCD place.
Much more compatibility with KVCD than with MPEG-4 at the moment being right ;-)
So I'll stick with MP3 :arrow: for now :!: :)
As soon as it comes up in every "box" I can buy at (what's the name? Radioshack?), then I'll move over to Ogg.
I won't be doing the same with MPEG-4 vs KVCD, 'cause I moved on to something much better :arrow: KDVD :lol:
Cheers

sorry...i can't download that file http://www.kvcd.net/test-faac.aac
trying at 15 minutes and he don't came! :(

Sorry jorel :oops:
Wrong file name :?
Try it again :!:

-kwag

@Rui,

Here's a list of current hardware players with vorbis support :)
http://www.ogghelp.com/ogg/hardware.cfm

-kwag

8O true? wrong file name?....ok now i got! came faster!

@ Correia
:lol: you still with mp3?
you're a liar!!!! :rotf: (kiddin)
:arrow: how did you test the file if was with wrong name and nobody could download it? :hihi:

:oops: :roll: I did clicked to download both files but since the forum is sooo sloooow I just got the psytel encode.
And I accidentally opened the older test-aac-40kbps.mp4 thinking that it was the FAAC file.
Dear me, my desktop looks like my trashcan... :(
Sorry about the mistake :oops:
I'll give it a try now.
And yes, I still think MP3 is the way to go until I can find as many Ogg compatible players as MP3 players.
But I really like the "agudos" (only know the word in Portuguese) in Ogg in LBR :D.

@Karl
Thanks for the link :D
I'll check what babies I could buy me with Ogg support.
Maybe my wife would present me with a Ogg player for Christmas :lol:
Cheers all

Oh man, the FAAC version is disgusting :!:
My sister's-in-law cat sounds better than that.
And believe the cat DOES sound BAD :lol:
I'll stick with MP3 for now and I'll play a bit with Ogg once in a while.
At least until Ahead fixes the AAC encoding engine, right?
Then maybe we can do a match against them again.
Cheers guys

i was kidding...you know! :lol: :wink:
i saw that you need 10 seconds to open one page in another thread.....seems good cos for me need 30 seconds to 1 minute(when open) 8O sometimes posting answers i loose everything and have to write all again......seems local problems(in my city)! :(

But Jorel, Karl says the problem is with the new ISP.

@Karl
This one seems better :) http://wiki.xiph.org/VorbisHardware

Yeah :!: :D

oh yeah but here is slow then.......seems here! :lol:

thanks for the link!

my opinion:

test-faac: all underwater 8O (glub,glub) ... or my file is corrupt?

test-psytel: horrible! :corky:

test-ogg-40kb : winner ! really better. :wink:

Wow kwag... I don't know what you did wrong, but all AAC that you posted are really :puke: :puke: :puke:

Here is a properly encoded AAC (from that wav) @ 40kbps: test-nero-aac-40kbps.mp4

thanks muaddib! :wink:

my impression from muaddib's sample "test-nero-aac-40kb.mp4" : horrible !

the Kwag's sample "test-ogg-40kb.ogg" : still winner !

Hi muaddib,

Look at your file, and you'll see that it's encoded at 22Khz :)
Same thing happened to me :!:
And there are no high frequency details on that AAC file, compared to the Vorbis sample, which is rich in high frequency details.

Edit:

WinAmp plays it at 22Khz, but foobar2000 does identify it as 44.1Khz 8O
Play it again jorel, it does sound good under foobar2000 :!:

-kwag