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Thanks again for your persistence. Testers like yourself really make it easier for the developer to improve the code, and knowing someone is testing the limits of the filter makes one actually want to stare at the source for a dozen more hours improving it :). |
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On the other hand I respect Kwag's opinion greatly, and I tend to believe him when he suggests that perceived quality is superior with bilinear and a selective sharpen. |
Ok, thanks. This is the script I am going to try in DVD2SVCD:
[AVISYNTH_BlockbusterBilinearResizeNoMoSmooth] 0=BilinearResize(^TargetWidth,^TargetHeight) 1=AddBorders(0,^BorderTop,0,^BorderBottom) 2=LoadPlugin(!Blockbuster.dll) 3=LoadPlugin(!NoMoSmooth.dll) 4=Blockbuster( method="noise", detail_min=1, detail_max=3, lv=1.5 ) 5=Blockbuster( method="sharpen", detail_min=4, detail_max=99, strength=^StrengthValue ) 6=NoMoSmooth() !Blockbuster.dll=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Blockbuster\Blockbuster.dll ^StrengthValue=20 !NoMoSmooth.dll=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\NoMoSmooth\NoMoSmooth.dll Should I put some values in for NoMoSmooth or just leave as is? Thanks |
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You might also want to try a compromise, such as bicubic 0/0.5 or 0.33/0.33. The latter was declared "most preferred" after tests conducted by the algorithm designers on human subjects ;). |
Hi SansGrip,
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my picture quality seems too sharp. Since I encode from DVD source 720x480 shouldn't I use bilinearResize going to 352x240? I believe bilinearResize and Blockbuster-noise-sharpen produce a more pleasing picture image in my opinion. :) NoMoSmooth is using default settings, so I'll wait for Kwag to tweak this filter. 8) -black prince |
Ok, ran my test clip, looks good but I see to much Mosquito noise, should I make a change to my script? or add the UnDot filter?
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Shoot, sorry, I ran it through DVD2SVCD and used CCE, forgot to change the encoder to TMPEG. I will set it up using your LBR 352 X 480 (CVD) template settings and see how it goes. By the way would these settings work with your 1 CD 704 X 480 settings? I loved the sharpness and crispness I got with this template but ofcourse lots of blocks. Would these filters remove the blocks but keep the sharpness at this resoulution?
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@ Kwag:
Kwag wrote: Here's the script I used for the sample: LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll") LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\nomosmooth.dll") LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\blockbuster.dll") mpeg2source("K:\TEST\VIDEO_TS\movie.d2v") BilinearResize(336,192,45,0,630,480) NoMoSmooth() ######## Auto Strength, proportional strength depending on resolution ##### ## Remove only one "#" on front of the resolution that matches your encoding. BB_Resolution = 352*240 #BB_Resolution = 352*480 #BB_Resolution = 528*480 #BB_Resolution = 544*480 #BB_Resolution = 704*480 BB_StrengthConstant = 352 * 240 * 20 # Base strength StrengthValue = round (BB_StrengthConstant / BB_Resolution) Blockbuster( method="noise", detail_min=1, detail_max=10, lv=1 ) # Apply noise if complexity is <= 10%. Blockbuster( method="sharpen", detail_min=20, detail_max=90, strength=StrengthValue) # Sharpen only if complexity is >= 20% AND <=90%. ## ################## End Auto Strength #################### AddBorders(8,24,8,24) I made some changes ( Expect many changes, until I find the optimal settings, but we're close ) If you look at the script, I changed the "noise" method to feed noise up to a complexity level of 10. I also used the default value of 1 for luminance, instead of 1.5, as I had posted before. Then I changed the "sharpen" method to start at a complexity level of 20. Why?, because we don't want to sharpen low lit things close to the boundaries of the DCT blocks on dark scenes. So I started the sharpen filter from 20 up to 90, and left the last ~10% ( 91 to 99 ) untouched. Why?, so that the sharpest edges, highest frequencies, don't get sharpened at all. So this should kill some high frequency "Mosquito Effect" Feedback welcome how can i "turn" this to load in dvd2s(K)vcd? and how can i load the new templates in dvd2s(K)vcd? :? thanks in advance! :wink: |
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For some reason I haven't been able to download your test samples. I keep getting bad link errors i.e. "The page cannot be displayed"
In any case are you using your monitor as the quality standard ? With one of your old scripts from yesterday, fiddler on the roof looked okay on my monitor but great on my tv, except in a few dark areas (a lot of blocks on a sun rising scene) . Also that annoying periodic speed up or slow down thing with my dvd player stopped, is that due to the new GOP structure ? I think I am going to try your new filters on crouching tiger hidden dragon. |
Hi LadyMiles,
Are you trying to download the samples from this thread? http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....r=asc&start=30 I just tried, with "Right Click, save as..." on a link, and it works. -kwag |
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this script i can't make. it's confuse for me. |
jorel
"...ok Kwag ,but this script i can't make. it's confuse for me..." It"s already posted by Dagaar on page 5 of this thread. Have a look there... :) |
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ok,thanks, but what about this posted by Kwag? BB_Resolution = 352*240 #BB_Resolution = 352*480 #BB_Resolution = 528*480 #BB_Resolution = 544*480 #BB_Resolution = 704*480 BB_StrengthConstant = 352 * 240 * 20 # Base strength StrengthValue = round (BB_StrengthConstant / BB_Resolution) Blockbuster( method="noise", detail_min=1, detail_max=10, lv=1 ) # Apply noise if complexity is <= 10%. Blockbuster( method="sharpen", detail_min=20, detail_max=90, strength=StrengthValue) # Sharpen only if complexity is >= 20% AND <=90%. how can i put this it in the script? it's possible? thanks in advance! :wink: |
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BB_StrengthConstant = 352 * 240 * 20 # Base strength StrengthValue = round (BB_StrengthConstant / BB_Resolution) The above 2 lines calculate the right Strength value for a given resolution. Eg for 352x240 it"s 20. Calculate this value manually for your resolution and set it in the Frameserver tab. |
anime
Is blockbuster good for anime ? If not what filters should be used.
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ok,thank you friend.... it was in front of my eyes and i don't see it!! :lol: thanks Villa21:!: :wink: :wink: |
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"...How do I Calculate the value? What would my script look like, using that whole script, for a 352 X 480 resolution?..." (352*240*20) / (352*480) = 10 [AVISYNTH_BlockbusterBilinearResize] 0=BilinearResize(^TargetWidth,^TargetHeight) 1=AddBorders(0,^BorderTop,0,^BorderBottom) 2=LoadPlugin(!Blockbuster.dll) 3=Blockbuster( method="noise", detail_min=1, detail_max=10, lv=1 ) 4=Blockbuster( method="sharpen", detail_min=20, detail_max=90, strength=^StrengthValue ) !Blockbuster.dll=C:\VideoTools\DVD2SVCD\Blockbuste r\Blockbuster.dll ^StrengthValue=10 Or alternatively set this value in the frameserver tab of DVD2SVCD. |
Ok, thanks.
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I can't seem to get DVD2SVCD accept 5823 P GOP"S. Is this amount nessessary?
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Hi Holomatrix
In dvd2svcd, put the following values:1,18,3,1,18 for ntsc or 1,15,3,1,15 for pal. :D ARAGORN |
Ok, I'll put that. But was wondering why the KVCD LBR 352X240 template is using 1,5823,3,1,18 ?
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5823 is like a signature in all the kvcd templates. It's there to show it's a kwag template. In dvd2svcd it doesn't work.
ARAGORN |
Quick update:
I'm currently porting Blockbuster to YV12, which will be the 0.5 release. After that, are there any additions people would like to see? One thing I was considering is the addition of an unsharp mask method. |
Hi SansGrip,
Can't think of anything right now. I'm having a good time with the filters as they are ;) -kwag |
New version 0.5
Here's 0.5 with minor changes for the Avisynth 2.0/YUY2 version but now includes an Avisynth 2.5/YUY2/YV12 version.
Changes: * Removed chroma noising (and cm and cv parameters) * Renamed lm and lv to mean and variance respectively * Some small optimizations here and there Even though not much has changed in the Avisynth 2.0/YUY2 version, I'd appreciate if everyone could upgrade in order to test this one works okay. You'll probably find it a bit faster too :). Have fun. |
@SansGrip,
I'm going to write a script to mirror your site every hour. You're updates are coming in too fast :lol: Count on it, in the next few minutes 8) Edit: I've added LegalClip() filter to my processing script. Here's the latest script I'm using, with the change for Blockbuster version 0.5: LegalClip() # Just in case, ensure TV Colorspace. ( Is this correct SansGrip ;) ) FluxSmooth() NoMosmooth() ######## Auto Strength, proportional strength depending on resolution ##### ## Remove only one "#" on front of the resolution that matches your encoding. BB_Resolution = 352*240 #BB_Resolution = 352*480 #BB_Resolution = 528*480 #BB_Resolution = 544*480 #BB_Resolution = 704*480 BB_StrengthConstant = 352 * 240 * 20 # Base strength StrengthValue = round (BB_StrengthConstant / BB_Resolution) Blockbuster( method="noise", detail_min=1, detail_max=10, variance=1 ) # Apply noise if complexity is <= 10%. Blockbuster( method="sharpen", detail_min=20, detail_max=90, strength=StrengthValue) # Sharpen only if complexity is >= 20% AND <=90%. # The last ~10% is left untouched (pass-through), to avoid sharpening highest frequency components ( Peak artifacts, sharpest edge, etc. ) ## ################## End Auto Strength #################### -kwag |
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Wow you go away for a couple of days and the revolution just rolls right pass you. So many new developments. Are there any new test clips Kwag ? Something that would show the sucess of your new script ?
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Edit: Here it is: KVCD LBR CQ_VBR=35 ( which fits this particular 120 minute movie on one CD-R ) 47 seconds ~5MB : http://www.kvcd.net/latest.m1v Script used: LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll") LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\fluxsmooth.dll") LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\blockbuster.dll") LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\legalclip.dll") mpeg2source("K:\TEST\VIDEO_TS\movie.d2v") LegalClip() BilinearResize(336,192,45,0,630,480) FluxSmooth() ######## Auto Strength, proportional strength depending on resolution ##### ## Remove only one "#" on front of the resolution that matches your encoding. BB_Resolution = 352*240 #BB_Resolution = 352*480 #BB_Resolution = 528*480 #BB_Resolution = 544*480 #BB_Resolution = 704*480 BB_StrengthConstant = 352 * 240 * 20 # Base strength StrengthValue = round (BB_StrengthConstant / BB_Resolution) Blockbuster( method="noise", detail_min=1, detail_max=10, variance=1 ) # Apply noise if complexity is <= 10%. Blockbuster( method="sharpen", detail_min=20, detail_max=90, strength=StrengthValue) # Sharpen only if complexity is >= 20% AND <=90%. # The last ~10% is left untouched (pass-through), to avoid sharpening highest frequency components ( Peak artifacts, sharpest edge, etc. ) ## ################## End Auto Strength #################### AddBorders(8,24,8,24) LegalClip() -kwag |
Thanks Kwag. The clip helps to know what to expect and the quality looks great. Have you ever tried the script on "the Matrix" ?
I don't know if this has been answered but does this work on tv captures ? BTW why two legal clips ? |
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Script Program
has anyone tried this?
http://tangentsoft.net/video/asynther/ I've used it to make several scripts of different movie sizes and now all I have to do is right click on the movie then send to Avisynthesizer and it makes a script for the movie. |
New release 0.6
I just uploaded 0.6 to my site. Here's the changelog:
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The seed parameter allows one to specify the seed value for the pseudo-random number generator. If seed=0 (the default) it'll use the system's current time as in previous versions. If seed>0 it'll use that value for the seed, and there will be no variations in file size when run multiple times. Hint: It doesn't really matter what number you choose for the seed. As long as it's the same for each run, the file size won't change. I used 1 for my tests, but hey, use your imagination ;). Let me know how you find it. |
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Thank you, Thank you, thank you, thank you...... :D :D :D -black prince |
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