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kwag	07-06-2003 04:19 PM

Thanks Peter,

I saw your other post ;)

-kwag

vhelp

07-06-2003 04:40 PM

hi zes..

I was trying to get back to you sooner, but I kept getting disconnected.
Anywyas, gave me time to do more encode test on your issue.

I've ben checking out "Ice Age" (my dvd disk) and those that I did do, did
not present any issues. I've pretty much tried all the MAS version there
has ben put out since last week. Actually, only issue I did find was w/ a
tad of bleeding in just one scene.. which led me to believe it was a GOP
thing cause when I changed it, it was virtually gone. But, I didn't experience
ay of your issues so far.

Below is a clip I did just to show you I wasn't getting the same issues as
you. You must be pushing the params in the MA part to extreams or
something, maybe.

My process was simple.
* dvd rip: "Ice Age"
* dvd2avi w/ Force Film on
* AVS script, into
* vdubMOD, and
* frameserved into TMPG,
.
.
* TMPG w/ 23.976 / 544x480 / VBV:56 / CQ:50 / bits:0300x2500
.
.
* MUXed aud/vid w/ bbMPEG w/ (o) MPEG-1 selected and defaults

Can't think of anything else :!:

SAMPLE vhelp.zes.ma+.filter.mpg

Good luck.
-vhelp

Peter1234

07-06-2003 07:18 PM

vhelp,
Off subject, but I couldn't resist. When I play your 544x480 mpeg1 sample in Windows media player 6.4 it plays full screen. But, when I encode mpeg1 at 544x480 it plays in a smaller window. What do you do to get full screen playback?

vhelp

07-06-2003 07:28 PM

@ Peter1234.. :)

I'm not sure I understand you.

I don't use Media Player. But, I have tested the sample, cause you asked
the question, and I was curious. Here's my result:

* when i first opend the .mpg file in media player, it was centered inside
...the window, and you could see black borders on all sides.
* when I Right-Clicked inside video window, and selected FullScreen,
...the video played WideScreen, as it should have !!

I guess you are using media player for your testings. But, you shouldn't
limit yourslef to media player. You should have PDVD and WDVD too.

When I make my test encodes, they are usually MPEG-2, but since I was
demo'ing 'ZES' what sample, I did it in the usual/familiar way that he and
others here were most comfortable with.. and based on the AD-1500 player,
case they wanted to test play it on their DVD player !! So, I made the MPEG-1
sampe instead.

But, a tip from me to you (and all) is I do my final resizing in TMPG 8O
hahhhahhhh!!! you say, "final" in tmpg ?? Yes!! That's my magic. hehe..
That's all I'm gonna say on the subject :wink:

Hope that help some.
-vhelp

Peter1234

07-06-2003 07:52 PM

Thanks vhelp,
The same thing happens for me with your sample. But even when I do my final resize in TMPGEnc, when I click full screen it doesn't really go to full screen but is in a black box that is smaller than full screen. I'll play around a see if I can figure it out.

vhelp

07-06-2003 07:59 PM

@ Peter1234..

Are you saying that you don't like WideScreen play (black bars) ??

It took me some time, to realize that Widescreen is pretty good to look at.
I was soo caught up in the Fullscreen play of TV shows and whatnots.

Today, I'm a different person. I like (and prefer) Widescreen sources.
Not to mention, that it's a bonus in our final: filesize and encoding quality :!:

-vhelp

kwag	07-06-2003 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter1234

When I play your 544x480 mpeg1 sample in Windows media player 6.4 it plays full screen. But, when I encode mpeg1 at 544x480 it plays in a smaller window. What do you do to get full screen playback?

Use WinDVD or PowerDVD to playback your samples. Don't use WMP for playback. It's a CODEC related issue :roll:

-kwag

Peter1234

07-06-2003 08:42 PM

It appears the sample was recorded using 544x480 frame size and 16:9 525 line (NTSC) aspect ratio which plays back full screen in media player (and on 4:3 TV). At least when I use that aspect ratio I get the same results. I was just curious. I normally use 4:3 aspect ratio since I don't have a wide screen TV.

vhelp

07-06-2003 09:34 PM

@ Peter1234,

Sorry to have confused you. I went back into the clip I did, since TMPG
was still open for that project. I tend to have several open. I'm busy hehe..

Anyways.. I had it left at OUT(16:9) instead of 4:3. My whole goal in my
encoding endeavors is to plan ahead. When I'm presented w/ an 16:9
source/project, I'm not going to waist time 4:3'ing it. I encode to 16:9
widescreened. Sorry for the mix up in your final judging :wink:

But, did it look ok on your TV set ?? I mean, widescreened as I planed
anyways ??

@ Kwag..
I didn't know that MediaPlayer v6.4 had a bug like that.

Thanks for YOUR input hehe..
-vhelp

Peter1234

07-06-2003 11:37 PM

vhelp,
Yes, looked good. Thankyou for your mistake.

vhelp

07-06-2003 11:45 PM

hi Peter1234..

Thanks. I was try'n ta help :)

I'm really busy crunching away at an app I'm developing, so I'm surfing
all for for answeres. It's very exhausting - - all day at it. pfew!! My eyes
are falling out 8O

-vhelp

zes	07-07-2003 02:38 AM

almost there :)

hello

thanks all for the replies . u've been a great help. i reencoded the movie last night and the result was much better!
BUT :) as i'm a perfectionist i noticed it was still there, although hardly visible with vdub and non-visible (to me at least) on TV.
check it out:

http://users.skynet.be/bk260637/iceage5.jpg

anyway it seems that temporalsoften is responsible like u said before, so i'll experiment with that further.

Code:

## DLL Section ## 

# 

LoadPlugin("C:\VIDEOCONV\Filters\MPEG2Dec3.dll") 

LoadPlugin("C:\VIDEOCONV\Filters\GripFit_YV12.dll") 

LoadPlugin("C:\VIDEOCONV\Filters\STMedianFilter_25.dll") 

LoadPlugin("C:\VIDEOCONV\Filters\asharp.dll") 

LoadPlugin("C:\VIDEOCONV\Filters\unfilter_25.dll") 

LoadPlugin("C:\VIDEOCONV\Filters\undot.dll")

LoadPlugin("C:\VIDEOCONV\Filters\vsfilter.dll")

# 

#### 



## Defined Variables and Constants ## 

# 

MaxTreshold = 1.50 

nf =  0 # Current frame. 

# 

#### 



## Main section and static filters ### 

# 

AviSource("C:\VIDEOCONV\iceage.avi") 

# 

undot() 

Limiter() 

asharp(1, 4) 

GripCrop(528, 480, overscan=2, source_anamorphic=false)

Textsub("C:\VIDEOCONV\iceage.ssa")

GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize") 

STMedianFilter(8, 32, 0, 0 ) 

MergeChroma(blur(MaxTreshold)) 

MergeLuma(blur(0.1)) 

# 

# 



## Linear Motion Adaptive Filtering ## 

# 

# ( Portions from AviSynth's manual ) - This will apply temporalsoften to 

# very static scenes, and apply variable blur on moving scenes. 

# We also assign a variable - and this is why a line break is inserted: 



ScriptClip("nf = YDifferenceToNext()"+chr(13)+ "nf >= 2 ? \ 

unfilter( -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)), -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)) ) : \ 

TemporalSoften( fmin( round(2/nf), 6), round(1/nf) , round(3/nf) , 1, 1) ")



# 

# 

# 



GripBorders() 

#LetterBox( Your_Values_Here ) # Depends on situation. Use MovieStacker! 

Limiter() 



# 

# 

## Functions ### 



function fmin( int f1, int f2) { 

  return ( f1<f2 ) ? f1 : f2 

} 





# 

####

Jellygoose

07-07-2003 05:46 AM

Has anyone tried to change TemporalSoften with TemporalCleaner? :roll:

jorel

07-07-2003 06:21 AM

i did Jell,
the image is better... :!:
encrease the file a little, means less CQ.

but it was before the last new script from July 6, 2003 @20:45 GMT
i don't did tests to compare with the new script :!:

and my encode still "pulsing" the colors
like i post days ago...(oh GOD) :roll:

Dialhot

07-07-2003 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel

and my encode still "pulsing" the colors
like i post days ago...(oh GOD) :roll:

If you are still with temporalcleaner, you can try to set the second parameter to a constant value (I suggest 10).

In temporacleaner(n,m), n is for the luma, m for the chroma.

Perhaps you won't have anymore the "pulsing" in the colors with a constant value for 'm'.

jorel

07-07-2003 08:25 AM

Phil,
you forgot...i don't ...how?
temporalcleaner(fmin(3+nf,7),fmin(8+nf,15))")
where?
:?:

Dialhot

07-07-2003 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel

Phil,
you forgot...i don't ...how?
temporalcleaner(fmin(3+nf,7),fmin(8+nf,15))")
where?
:?:

LOL. I Thought I was clear :-)

Temporalcleaner has two parameters : the first one is for luma, the second for chroma.

In the case of the MA script, use :

temporalcleaner(fmin(3+nf,7) , 10)

jorel

07-07-2003 09:10 AM

Phil,you are clear as water(always)
:wink:

and i am confused like ever.
:screwy:

thanks Phil :!:
:D

:ideasmiley:
@ dazed&confused :
hey d&c, change your username with me my friend.
:lol:

dazedconfused

07-07-2003 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel

:ideasmiley:
@ dazed&confused :
hey d&c, change your username with me my friend.
:lol:

:lol: hee-hee. No way friend! Believe me, I still need it!

-d&c

jorel

07-07-2003 03:45 PM

Phil my friend,
is better but ....pulsing,breating!
:cry:

who wants to see this sample?
please,pm the e-mail and i send it.
:cry: :cry:

Phil, can i send to you :?:

ps:
i think that maybe i know what happens,
but need your avaliations after see the sample:!:
:eyebrows:

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