i would also recommend Unfilter, on the website it shows sample pictures of terminator 2 with unfilter, so you can check that out. :wink:

Grateful for all help but what I really need is a filter for removing noise. As I said before, I've tried Deen and now also eDeen but none of them where any good on my noisy DVD source. Is there any other filter I could try for cleaning up my source?

VagueDenoiser or Wavelet Noise Reducer have very good results, except those take a long time.

Try the new Mipsmooth, its in the avisynth forum if you want.

If you're running AVS2.0, pixiedust is good.

Hey guys. I tried out some of the tips here and found that Deen() worked best as a replacement for stmedianfilter. My DVD source is from the Alias TV series, and certain scenes appear grainy/pixelated/noisy (I dont' know how to define it!). But here are some screen caps to show you:

original 720x480 screen cap from DVD
http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif

704x480 KDVD, no filtering, encoded with CCE @ Q 30
http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif

704x480 KDVD, original MA script
http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif

704x480 KDVD, MA script with Deen()
http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif

So as you can see, my source is grainy to begin with, and then encoding at Q 30 introduces some more artifacting. It's hard to tell from the screen caps but the artifacting looks really ugly when the original MA script (without Deen) is applied. The artifacts dance around and really stick out at you. Deen helps to smooth it all out, but again I don't think you can see that well from these caps. Deen has the added benefit of really compressing this noisy sample. Encoding is slowed down a bit, but not as much as VagueDenoiser would.

I tried fooling around with the first two values in Stmedianfilter but wasn't able to achieve the desired effect. Any suggestions?

Nice :wink:

But it seems you used a small jpeg compression quality to obtain small files to post in here, by this its not easy to see an objective result cause of added jpeg artefacts :cry:

Could you change the pics by the same ones but less compressed therefore less artefacts? :)

I tried also a lot by just changing the Stmedian Line to Deen().
But you have to set the Deen() to spatial settings if you follow Kwags recommendations. For example Deen("a2d",2,12,15).
Well also try to set deen() optimal for the video stream individually.
I'm still not happy by using Deen(xxxx) in MA cause the last two days I was armed with some MA spatial mods to attack bad DVD Sources like my "Black Rain" Sample in the "How Funny" Thread. I also Tried VagueDenoiser using diff. settings. We'll see ... :D

STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 )
Let me know how it compares, instead of deen.

-kwag

Deen is a very good spatial filter, i have been using it since the begining we started using Avs 2.5, i wonder Y it took you guys so long to find out about it :twisted: BTW you can also use it as a smoother just can not remember setting since Im not in my PC. :roll:

Hey Karl what are you doing sneaking in front of me :mrgreen:

Be careful "Deen()" set to default like this is not spatial-only!
If you want spatial only choose "a2d" method!
Example: Deen("a2d",2,10,12)
This is mentioned in Deen's Readme doc.

Wow, okay so this is a tough choice for me. There wasn't a big difference between Deen() and Deen("a2d",2,10,12) in my test clips. They both did a good job of smoothing out and blending the grainy footage. However upon closer inspection I realized that the grain is in both the background AND the foreground, so both versions of Deen lose detail in the foreground images. On the other hand, STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 ) did a good job of cleaning up the background, making the artifacts not dance around as much as with the original StMedianFilter(8,.24,0,0). The other deciding factor is encoding time and amount of compression. Here are my results for a 2:30 min clip:

Deen()
encoding time = 4:07 min, size = 43,509 kb

Deen("a2d",2,10,12)
encoding time = 4:16 min, size = 43,130 kb

STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 )
encoding time = 3:18 min, size = 48,010 kb

StMedianFilter(8, 24, 0, 0)
encoding time = 3:29 min, size = 48,156 kb

On my mediocre 20" TV, Deen() actually looks fine to me but I'm sure I'd notice the difference in detail on my parents 47" widescreen HDTV. So my choice might be STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 ) in the end. However since Deen() does a better job at compressing maybe I can lower the Q factor in CCE (n.b. inverse relationship from CQ in tmpgenc) to compensate.

Any thoughts?

P.S. I've recompressed my jpegs from above to be higher quality. Still not sure if you can tell a difference or not...

I know :cool:
That's why I gave you those values :)
I just haven't updated the optimal script, but those are the new values for the script.
A smaller radius for spatial filtering, and the minimal value for temporal.
STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 )
Does wonders on background noise, without speed penalties.

-kwag

Long time no see ovg :D
Welcome back :cool:

-kwag