DVDShrink encodes too slow!
 

Hi Guys,

I backed up one of my DVD's today using the latest DVDShrink.

First I did a test with a DVD+RW to check the quality in my standalone and it was decent enough for me.

The problem now is I want to record this to a DVD+R, how do I get Shrink to just burn the movie I just transcoded without having to wait 2 hours for it again to do it's thing?

Thanks in advance for any help. :D

- Isnt the VIDEO_TS Folder of the transcoded movie still on your HD?
- If not, do you got a separate internal DVD-ROM?
- If not, copy the DVD+RW contents to your HD and burn them to DVD+R.

Or I did totally misunderstnd your intention! ??

;-)

Thanks for the quick reply Inc.

Yes all the files ripped by Shrink are in my rip folder.

So should I just basically use Nero to load these files into it's VIDEO_TS folder and burn it like that?

I think that should work, I just thought it would be good if Shrink allowed you to just burn a second CD if needed without having to do any more transcoding.

I shall put all my VOBS and IFO's into Nero and burn that way it should be the easiest method.

Thanks again for your help Inc. :D

2 hour to transcode a movie ???
You probably used the last AEC feature, did you ? If yes, with which setting ?

DOn't bother with that. Use "ImgTool" that you can find on Doom9 (be carefull, it is not ImgTool Classic)

I downloaded the latest version of Shrink. To be honest I pretty much left settings to default and I don't recall messing with AEC feature.

The only thing I set was region 2 for my DVD backups and the folder to where to send the ripped files.

Should it not take so long to encode then Phil?

Thanks for the info Phil I shall head over to Doom9 and check out that tool. :D

My girlfriend has bought Along Came Polly and she asked me to make a backup for her.

This is taking 4 hours to encode in Shrink! Why so long. :(

The process needs 30-45 minutes on my 1.4GHZ P4 (plus burning time of course).
But new AEC feature is known to increase the time A LOT. To be used only if comrpession is more than 15% !

Edit: 4hours ? Uncheck the AEC !

Hi Phil where do I find the AEC please?

EDIT: She wanted to keep all the extras but I elimated all the soundtracks such as Director's Comments and other languages. Still left the compression down to about 65%

I can't tell you exactly now because I need to have a DVD to process in the drive to have access to the option.
But from memory it is in the options you can change after you have pressed on "Backup" button.
AEC is set to "sharpen" by default. You should have a "none" choice or something like that.

Thanks Phil much appreciated. :)

the best guides that i found:
http://www.mrbass.org/dvdshrink/
http://www.dvdshrink.info/guides.php

my recomendation is: first rip the dvds to hd with dvddecrypter...you will got velocity using dvdshrink using that ripped files!

Thanks for the links to the guide Jorge, you are definately the king of finding links. :D

I don't think I have AEC turned on I just hit Open Disc.

Select Full Disc.

Then hit Backup.

For now I shall switch back to CloneDVD at least that is only 103 Minutes.

Maybe my Pioneer DVD-Rom ripping speed may need unlocking. :?

They are limited to 2x speed when doing a DVD ripp ! SO yes, you need to change the firmware to unlock the speed.

See www.rpc1.org

Note : 65% ??? Forget the shrink, even with AEC. You need DVD-RB for that !

Method 1.
Just Reauthor using only the main movie only using the tracks for audio/subs you want to keep. (But "she" wants the extras, ok, ... next option: )

Method 2.

Well Shrink gots a nice option to really keep just what you want by maintaining the menue and extras etc.

Do go under the manual compression settings and set all you dont want to be inlcuded to "still image" state. Choose an image which will be shown later when entering that extra.
This makes the overall Quality rise very fast (depending on the main movie length) as these "still image"'ed tracks wont be included but exchanged to a still image state.
Means: No more Trailers etc. but extras etc. or what you want to keep/transcode.

Thanks for the link Phil I did have that link bookmarked a while back but never got the chance to check it out fully I updated my DVD-Burner from there but not my DVD-ROM, I must go back now and sort that. :)

O.K Phil so it's best to use SansGrip's Opt or DVD-RB to get better quality.

I will have to mess around with this tool it was just that Shrink is so easy to use once set up.

Would it ever be possible to use the 'Notch' matrix for Shrink? Just think how good that tool would be with a decent compression routine. :)

Thanks again Phil and Jorge for the info provided here. :)

EDIT: Oops! :oops: Sorry and you also Inc thanks for your help buddy.:D

Hummm.... hello ?

DVDShrink is not a encoder, it is a recoder (or transcoder, as you wish). That is why it takes only half an hour (or it is supposed to take that much ;-)).

Recoding consist only in analysing mpeg streams and discard P-frames where they are not necessary and can be changed into B-frames.
(and probably change also I-frames into P-frames also but I'm not sure).

That is how comrpession is performed and why quality decrease very quickly ! The bigger the compression, the more key frames are turned into B ones.

thread about it: (Incredible and undocumented DVD Shrink feature!! )
http://forum.digital-digest.com/show...threadid=25375

guide(flash) showing pictures with details, like ink told you:
http://www.dvdshrink.info/mixed-compressions.php

more good guides with details:
DVD-9 To DVD±R using DVD Shrink: http://www.dvd-guides.com/guides.php...name=shrinkold

How to add multiple movies / titles to one DVD using DVD Shrink: http://www.dvd-guides.com/guides.php...name=shrinkmix

How to split a DVD-9 to 2 DVD±R using DVD Shrink: http://www.dvd-guides.com/guides.php...me=shrinksplit

That's what I thought Phil which is what confused me when It was taking 4 hours to process Along Came Polly.

Really seeing as it is only transcoding it shoud not take so long I didn't have deep analysis on so the only other prob could be the DVD-ROM speed.

I might have to flash the bios and update it or say unlock it.

Thanks for the links Jorge. :D

@Phil

All I was really saying it would be nice to have a tool as easy to use as Shrink but could encode to KDVD.

I Know DVD-RB does this but it isn't as clean an interface as Shrink is.

If there were a tool for KDVD like Shrink is would be so easy to select your audio files, subs and Movie plus any extras you would want.

Sometimes it's nice to dream. :D

I think that one day it's urgent to stop begging for new things.

and
take a look: (Make sure DMA is set on all drives)
http://www.mrbass.org/dvdnewbie/#2

Im not begging for anything Phil to be honest I just said it was nice to dream. :P :D

Im patient and I am more than happy with the current tools available to me of which there are many. :)

@jorel

Thanks Jorge for that tip on the DMA being switched on I shall give that a try see if it improves my speed probs. :)

EDIT: Hi Jorge, just checked and all DMA settings are switched on. :(

I don't think you'll ever see a notch matrix for Shrink.

It's not a real compressor, it's a transcoder - what they call "compressed domain transcoding" (or some such). It's a completely different thing to re compressing like we do with Tmpgenc or CCE.

I've just done a movie only (no menu, no extras), in 87%, in 27 mins (inc burn with Shrink), quality = undetectable from original dvd.

@Fluffbutt

Thanks for the info.

I do think Shrink does do a good job of backing up DVD's with reasonable quality but it's still not a patch on the 'notch' matrix.

I've made KDVD's with 3 movies on one DVD up to 6 hours and the quality is indistinquishable from the original.

Calm down on such declaration. Let say that _you_ don't see any diff from the original (btw anyone speaking here is speaking for himself, that's logical ;-)). But I can show you a lot of diff...

Very true Phil I agree there I may have gone a bit overboard. :D

For one2one backup I think KDVD quality is awesome provided of course that your original DVD source is also of good quality. ;)

EDIT: To many for's at the beginning of my second paragraph. :oops:

Yes. You can even say that sometimes the KDVD looks better than the original ;-)

Again very true Phil I did backup one of my DVD's with just one2one and the end result was amazing and the quality superb. :D

@Phil

I downloaded ImgTool Burn ver 1.1.5 (Not Classic) and I need to know if I can leave the settings as default or do I need to change a few things.

I have a NEC 1300A firmware 1.0A and in Nero when burning an authored DVD I usually leave Nero to the default settings such as Book type DVD-ROM.

I was wondering if I should set this in ImgTool but I read on their forum that there is a problem with the NEC1300A when using this.

Is Book Type important?

I ask this as although Nero burns my DVD's o.k and they play o.k I have had a couple of DVD's that when I've tried to copy the files back to my PC either by trying to re-rip them or just using Windows explorer to copy the VOBs over I get this Windows error: "Cannot Copy VTS_01_05: Data errir (Cyclic Redundancy Check)."

So to recap:

In the Filesystem Flags: I have these ticked:

Enable UDF
Enable ISO 9660

Other Settings: These are ticked:

Enable Burn-Proof
Don't eject media after burning

In the main Window these are ticked:

Reallocate Video_TS Scructure & Quick Erase for DVD-RW & DVD+RW

Any light you can shed on this Phil would be greatly appreciated.

This tool has settings ? Never noticed ;-)

Physical problem on the media, nothing to do with all what you are wondering about. Else you would have them on all your disc and not a couple of them.

Thanks Phil so basically I can just leave the default settings.

I main reason I asked was the DVD-ROM book type option.

On Nero this is ticked but on ImgBurn its unticked. So I guess I can leave it unticked.