Integrating KVCD templates in the new DVD2SVCD beta release !
 

Hey Kwag, :D

I'm using the new release os DVD2SVCD, and note that this has some very usefull features to permit the complete integration of your templates in this beaultiful program.

I ask the author, and he told me that you can integrate your templates now, he is sure about this !!!!! :mrgreen:

Please, you or another people with the hability to make this, what you are waiting for ?????

This will be a great step to simplify the use of the templates with subtitles for all the rest of us that lives in others country and needs the subtitles.

What are your opinions ? :?:

Funil99

Re: Integrating the templates in the new DVD2SVCD beta relea
 

Hey, it's great to hear that :lol:
I haven't talked ( written ) to DVD2SVCD's author for a while. I'll check his site for the new version.

Thanks,
-kwag

Hi Kwag,

Autoit is a macro utility and some members of Doom9 have used it
to include the own code with DVD2SVCD. Check it out:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...ghlight=Autoit

I am trying to use Autoit to develope a VCD menu creater with chapters.
Something like VCD2MENU. This is not easy, but wouldn't that be great.

http://www.hiddensoft.com/AutoIt/

-black prince :)

Hi black prince,

Looks pretty good!. Reminds me of "EXPECT", where I've used it on FreeBSD and Linux, and I can script just about anything with it. The Windows version is not quite ready. Hopefully it will be finished soon. Link here: http://mini.net/tcl/3548


-kwag

Intergrating templates with DVD2SVCD
 

I am just wondering if it is possible to let's say intergrate lets say the KVCD+ template in with DVD2SVCD ? Or is this something complicated ?
Cause it would be really cool and fast.

Re: Intergrating templates with DVD2SVCD
 

The only problems I remember with DVD2SVCD are that the VBV buffer is fixed to 0. That causes problems with many DVD players. You couldn't change the value passed to TMPEG. I hope they fixed it. The other thing is the CQ calculations are good, but not as good as the current method we now use to estimate final file size. Hope they integrate the formula we use too :wink:

-kwag

Kwag - you will love read this :D

In the new beta release that I'm using , the VBF buffer is variable and can be set by user :mrgreen:

Hehehe - I think that now a dream comes true.....

Thank you and all the peoples for your support !!!!

Funil99

Hi funil99,

Where did you download the beta :?: . Because I went to DVD2SVCD's site ( http://dvd2svcd.doom9.org ) and there is no beta posted there :roll:

Thanks,
-kwag

So, it is possible to use a KVCD template with DVD2SVCD. How do you do this. Do you stop it at some point and load the template?

And by the way Funill99 I read your post on doom9.org and good luck. I hope your family enjoys the movies you create. I am doing the same for my family, with some cool foriegn films I have.

my last version of dvd2svcd is 110 build1 pre22 (unfilter)
i search at doom9 and don't find another beta....
can you post the new here,please?
thanks in advance!

i think it's new
 

i found in this thread:
h**p://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35674&perpage=20&pagenu mber=1

the new dvd2svcd110b1b3.......
direct download:
h**p://www.dvd2svcd.org/D2S110B1B3.zip

Kwag,i post it cos you try to find it too,ok?
a question........can i post it here?
if don't , erase my post please! :?

but......... :D :D :D
:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Hey Kwag,

The soultion for using KVCD Templates with DVD2SVCD has been
around for some time. :roll:

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....light=dvd2svcd

The problems I had were:

1) How to use FitCD with D2S (need a commandline version)
2) How to use Headac3he instead of BeSweet (Head has CLI)
3) I could'nt get my substitute ini file for bbMPEG to work.

A DOS batch file executes D2S using "if exist" command to detect when certain
D2S files have been created and then substitute your files during the
process. By keeping track of D2S file naming conventions you can
substitute most files created with your own. D2S allows selecting specific
chapters for test purposes. You can test your changes quickly. With
a command line program for FitCD, Headac3he, and BBMPEG it could
be done. With no intervention or very little. :)

-black prince

Beta DVD2SVCD
 

Re: i think it's new
 

Got it jorel :D

Thanks,
-kwag

Hi Jorel,

Check this out for automating kvcd using dvd2svcd:

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....omate+dvd2svcd

-black prince
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Jorel -
Thanks by posting the link

Black Prince -
I see the posts about the automation using DOS Batch commands, but I think as an not-ideal solution, but I'll try it.
In an previous post you sayn that have some problems with this metod. You now are using it whitout any problem ?

LadyMiles -
Thank you by comments. I think that I was misunderstood in that topic, but I only put my vision of all this stuff, and I really think that Kwag has made a great and unique job in your templates with MPG1.

In early times I remember when I see an "big" discussion when Kwag has post the first template in the Doom9. Now, today I know why he made this site for the "rest of us" , people without the theorical aknowledge, but with very pratical aproach...

But I agree with you about the family. All work that I have with this stuff is for my wife and kids, they don't understand spoken english, and after all I can't enjoy this if they can't understand the movies.

I have an strange method to make films with legend that was the most simple when correctly installed.

I use DVDX, them export via Premier Plugin Encoder and open the .AVI with TMPGenc and with Kwag's templates.
The subtitles was fantastic, and I can experiment with many options in DVDX.

But I hope to use DVD2SVCD with Kwag's templates because this will be the Swiss Knife of all this stuff :
With only one program front-end, I can make VCD's, SVCD's, DVD's only changing some options, and allways get the same results, all automated.

DVD2SVCD sure make the best program to automatize, and Kwag has the best MPEG1 templates that I have tried. Why not integrate the knowledge of both to have an killer application ?

Well, enought writing, going to make some ripps.....

Funil99

could someone dumb all this technical advanced users stuff down for me please.

Kwag's matrice for dvd2svcd
 

If You would like to include Kwag's matrice in dvd2svcd just cut and paste the matrice below in the matrice.ini in the dvd2svcd folder.


Open up matrice.ini and paste the follwing at the bottom.

[Kwag KVCD Plus Matrix]
Intra=8,16,19,22,26,27,29,34,16,19,22,26,27,29,34, 37,19,22,26,27,29,34,37,38,22,26,27,31,36,37,38,40 ,26,27,29,36,39,38,40,48,27,29,34,37,38,40,48,58,2 9,34,37,38,40,48,58,69,34,37,38,40,48,58,69,79
NonIntra=16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,18,20,22,24,26,28 ,30,32,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,22,24,26,30,32,32,3 4,36,24,26,28,32,34,34,36,38,26,28,30,32,34,36,38, 40,28,30,32,34,36,38,42,42,30,32,34,36,38,40,42,44

Nyplayer -

I will make this, but Kwag has told that we must change VBV too, but I don't know to what number I need change... maybe you know ???

Andybno1 - What you want to know ? My english is bad, but I will try..

Funil99

Hi
 

VBV=40 that can be set in the encoder tab

NYPlayer -

Thank you for the quickly reply !!!

I'll try now !!!

Funil99

all I wanted to know is how you intergrate the kvcd templates with dvd2svcd. Added that info to the matrice ini file and changed the vbv to 40, is there anything else I need to do?

Anyone know the correct settings for the 'Encoder' tab of DVD2SVCD? Most other panels are obvious enough, but this one is slightly different compared to the setting names in TMPGEnc to match Kwag's KVCD template.

For example, the KVCD LBR template uses CQ_VBR with a quality setting of 22. DVD2SVCD offers the following: Frames pr spread, Offset CQ Value, and Spread, as well as a Use fixed CQ Value checkbox. What do we set these to to emulate the various KVCD templates?

Also, Kwag... Number of P Frames in GOP is capped at 100. Is this sufficient? I know you use some number that is 'too high' as a signature, but I forgot what value was 'high enough'.

Hi Daagar,

You must use the same number as MAX number of frames in the P's. Not 5823 ( signature). My signature makes DVD2SVCD throw up :lol: , and sets the value of P's to 0, causing a blocky mess of an mpeg 8O . So if you are using one of the PLUS template, where the MAX frames per GOP is set to 48, go ahead and also set the P's to 48. So it will read 1,48,3,1,48 and if using the LBR, it will read 1,15,2,1,15

-kwag

Could you upload your matrices.ini so I can see how you have set it up to work.

Thanks,
Shaq

Hi Shaq,

Just run TMPEG and load any of the KVCD PLUS templates. Exit TMPEG and then look at your .INI file. It will be set with our Q. Matrix.

-kwag

Excellent Kwag.

Also, it appears you put the CQ Quality value in the slot marked "Offset CQ Value". DVD2SVCD will then do a test encoding at CQ_VBR 22 and work its way up or back to fit it on the number of CDs desired. Seems to be pretty cool! I think I blew it last night and told dvd2svcd to target 2 CDs, so I will try again and force it to target a single CD (I'm using the LBR template).

If you don't want it to perform tests, you can check the Use Fixed CQ Value, and it'll use whatever you place in the Offser CQ Value field.

I still don't understand the purpose of "Frame pr spread" and "Spread", so I've been leaving them at default.

frame rate change
 

Doesn't VCD require that the frame rate be 29.97 for NTSC. My DVD player won't play right unless the setting are 352x240 <1150 and frame 29.97?

I am trying to convert an AVI that has a frame rate 23.97 with AVI2VCD and TMPG. How can I MAKE AVI2VCD CHANGE THE FRAME RATE TO 29.976.

Hi Kwag -

I made one film with DVD2SVCD, was very simple, but the size was 20% larger from that I obtain with the old TMPGEnc way....

Will check my parameters and try again...

Funil99

I just ran a 2 hour AVI movie through DVD2SVCD emulating the KVCD LBR parameters as closely as I could. DVD2SVCD has the ability to 'guess' at the correct CQ_VBR value to use to maximize diskspace usage, which appears to follow the method outlined here in the forums.

For this particular movie, 1:55:50 in length, I downsampled the AC3 stream to 192kbps 44.1KHz Surround 2, and the movie was resized to 352x240. DVD2SVCD calculated that it could go as high as CQ_VBR 27.15 and still fit a 800MB CD.

Final filesize: 747MB. Woo! It looks great in media player, but have yet to do a real playback in the DVD player.

Parameters to get correct size of a vcd in dvd2svcd
 

BBmpeg tab make sure VCD and VBR are checked also make sure force muxed rate is set to 0

Set frames per spread to 80 and spread to 60. The test encodes will run a bit longer but size will be accurate.

NYPlayer -

One thing in my mind :
When I'm using the 120 minutes on one cd template, if the film is 4X3 I can put much less time per cd. But because the encoding is made with TMPGEnc, I use the cut/joiner option in TMPGenc tools and make 2 mpeg's with less than 800Mb;
But now we are using in DVD2SVCD an method that we tell in advance hom many CD's we will get, based in the time of film...

By example, now I'm making The Green Mile with subtitles, and to achieve better image I force 4x3, even if is 16x9. Sure, this will make at least 2 Cds with the 120Minutes template, but my doubt is IF DVD2SVCD will make this film right, because if it use my information of time ( i use 0-120 minutes = 1CD of 800, and from 120 to 240 = 2 cd's of 800 min) the resize will make things very different.
What you think ?

Funil99

update
 

this is the new update of dvd2svcd:
Last edited by dvd2svcd on 20th October 2002 at 04:56


look........

8)

h**p://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35674&perpage=20&pagenu mber=1

download ds2110b1rc1 than
d2s110b1rc2 (updated).

read about news ........

:) :) :)

Kwag -

Ok, the film Green Mile was perfectly made, but on strange thing :
The total size was 814 + 578 = 1393 Mb ( whitout credits ), that was 130 Mb smaller than that with TMPGenc + DVD2AVI. I made with CQ = 35, vbr 300 - 1500 , and VBF = 40.
When I compare the 2 methods in a home DVD, this seems the same !

Why ???????????

Funil99

Thanks NYPlayer. I didn't realize the spread values were determining the sampling rates for the filesize prediction routines. Makes sense after the fact :) It did a nice job with the default values, but I'll give yours a try as well.

Seems like the formula used in DVD2SVCD is not as accure as the one we're using. It usually makes smaller files that the actual final size. I have sent DVD2SVCD a message about trying out our method. Hopefully he will try it, and verify that it does indeed give a very sharp result using CD or CQ_VBR modes.

-kwag