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DVDREasy using HCEnc?

@All,

Anyone try DVDREasy:

http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/arch...r_dvdreasy.cfm

It uses HCEnc and has a very friendly front end.

-BP

I'm trying it out right now, BP :D
I saw the tutorial, but I just bypassed their recommendation to use the standard matrix, because i know what the "notch" matrix can do ;)

Thanks for the link!
-kwag

Hi BP,

Thanks for the link to this guide and tool.

I shall install it and do some tests and see how they come out.

I will also be using the kvcd matrix. :D

I usually use CCE with KDVD, will the kvcd matrix be automatically selected if I did use CCE instead of HC or is there some added thing I need to do?

Just woke up this morning to a beautiful encode on my "Cher - Live in Concert" DVD :mrgreen:
I selected HC encoder with the "Notch" matrix".
I can barely tell the difference from the original, viewing close to my monitor :!:
What a great piece of work :!:

-kwag

Sounds great Karl, I shall have to test out this software also.

Did you use 2pass with HC?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon

Did you use 2pass with HC?

Yes I did :)

-kwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Yes I did :)

-kwag

Great, thanks for the info. :)

Bad experience here :(
I was about to burn my converted DVD, only to find out that the "VIDEO_TS" folder is 4.64 GB (4,992,536,576 bytes) :cry:
No way I can put that on a DVD, so theree are some issues with calculated bitrate on the program.
I'll try to report this to dvdreasy.

-kwag

@Kwag

Kwag wrote:

Quote:

Bad experience here :Sad:
I was about to burn my converted DVD, only to find out that the "VIDEO_TS" folder is 4.64 GB (4,992,536,576 bytes) :Crying: or :Very sad:
No way I can put that on a DVD, so there are some issues with calculated bitrate on the program.
I'll try to report this to dvdreasy.
-kwag

I wonder if DVDREasy uses Bitrate Viewer to calculate size. The trial version of BV
is said to be unreliable. I know you tweaked DVDREasy to use Notch Matrix
and other tweaks. Could you possibly share your settings with us mortals. :)

Thanks

-BP

Hi BP,

I think it's a math problem on dvdreasy :)
Look at HC's log:

Code:

              --------------------------------------------

              | HCbatch - MPEG2 encoder - rel. 0.14 beta |

              --------------------------------------------



input:                h:\temp\movie.avs

output:               h:\temp\movie.mpv



              --------------------

              | encoder settings |

              --------------------



profile:              BEST

frames:                      1  161609

framerate:               29.97

aspect ratio:         4:3

bitrate Kb/s:             6817

max. bitrate Kb/s:        9100

closed gops:          no

VBV check:            yes

scene change det.:    yes

interlaced:           yes, TFF

goplen,B-pic:         AUTO

dc_precision:               10

scan method:          ALTERNATE

time code:                   0       0       0       0

CPU:                  MMX/SSE/SSE2/SSE3

matrix:               NOTCH



              --------------------

              |  source   stats  |

              --------------------



nr. of frames in source:          161609

width*height:                    720*480

fps:                               29.97

nr. of frames to encode:          161609

frames to encode:                      1 -   161609



              ---------------------

              | encoding - pass 1 |

              ---------------------



pass 1 encoding time:              1:50:29  (6629 s)

average fps:                          24.4



              --------------------------------

              | encoding - intermediate pass |

              --------------------------------



bitrate set to:                  6817000 b/s

est. outfile length:             4487269 kB

intermediate encoding time:          0.6 s



              ---------------------

              | encoding - pass 2 |

              ---------------------



pass 2 encoding time:              1:29:15  (5355 s)

average fps:                          30.2



              ------------------

              | encoding stats |

              ------------------



total encoding time:               3:19:45  (11985 s)



intra matrix used

   8   9  12  22  26  27  29  34

   9  10  14  26  27  29  34  37

  12  14  18  27  29  34  37  38

  22  26  27  31  36  37  38  40

  26  27  29  36  39  38  40  48

  27  29  34  37  38  40  48  58

  29  34  37  38  40  48  58  69

  34  37  38  40  48  58  69  79



non-intra matrix used

  16  18  20  22  24  26  28  30

  18  20  22  24  26  28  30  32

  20  22  24  26  28  30  32  34

  22  24  26  30  32  32  34  36

  24  26  28  32  34  34  36  38

  26  28  30  32  34  36  38  40

  28  30  32  34  36  38  42  42

  30  32  34  36  38  40  42  44



nr. of gops:                      12143

nr. of frames:                   161609

nr. of I-frames:                  12143

nr. of P-frames:                  54912

nr. of B-frames:                  94554

average quant (non linear):       4.805

VBV underflows detected:              0

VBV underflows fixed:                 0

minimum bitrate:                    262

maximum bitrate:                   9099

average bitrate:                   6817

And the size of the .m2v file was 4.27 GB (4,594,974,720 bytes) but the audio file (AC3) size is 287 MB (301,973,504 bytes) :!:

As you can see, the average bitrate given to HC, did create a very close final file size.
I think the program is not taking into account the size of the audio, plus DVD MUX overhead, which must be subtracted prior to calculating average bitrate ;)
I just sent a PM to dvdreasy about it.

-kwag

Im glad you found out this bug before I waited hours to find out. :D

Nice find Karl, I hope the guys at DVDREasy get back to you and hopefully fix this problem.

Like you said it could be a mux overhead and audio size not being taken into account.

Just for the hell of it, I deleted all files and directories on my "h:/temp", and started the process again.
Let's see if the result is identical. I have less that one hour to go :)

-kwag

Hi to all !

@Kwag, as I told you by PM

This is what DVDREasy does to calculate new video bitrate :
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Audio = audio bitrate(kbps) / 8
Movie = total time of movie in seconds - (hours * 60 * 60) + (minutes * 60) + seconds
CBR = audio * Movie
New Video BitRate = (4564480 - CBR) / Movie * 8

In your conversion process (movie = 01:23:46 and audio bitrate = 448)
audio = 448 / 8 = 56
movie = 5026 seconds
CBR = 56 * 5026 = 281456
New Video Bitrate = (4564480 - 281456) / 5026 * 8 = 6817,38... (6817)

I'm pretty sure that this maths works like a charm with CCE.
I also tested with HC and never had this problem

Ok, the result was almost identical.
Final size of .m2v is 4.27 GB (4,594,972,743 bytes)
AC3 audio track size is 287 MB (301,971,712 bytes)
Size of VIDEO_TS folder is 4.64 GB (4,992,528,384 bytes)

@dvdreasy,
Here's the complete log file. Maybe you can see something in there:

Code:

Begin of DVDREasy Conversion Process . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

Process Started at : 2005/05/04 18:21:39

Free disk Space : 25,039,776 Kb





Computer State . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

Total Running Processes : 42

.....System Idle Process - 16 K

.....System - 232 K

.....smss.exe - 372 K

.....csrss.exe - 3,144 K

.....winlogon.exe - 2,796 K

.....services.exe - 3,988 K

.....lsass.exe - 5,564 K

.....svchost.exe - 4,872 K

.....svchost.exe - 4,032 K

.....svchost.exe - 18,564 K

.....svchost.exe - 2,964 K

.....svchost.exe - 4,344 K

.....spoolsv.exe - 4,344 K

.....avgamsvr.exe - 5,388 K

.....avgupsvc.exe - 1,932 K

.....FileZilla server.exe - 2,016 K

.....svchost.exe - 3,832 K

.....explorer.exe - 22,280 K

.....TrueCryptService.exe - 788 K

.....wdfmgr.exe - 1,608 K

.....vmware-authd.exe - 3,416 K

.....vmnat.exe - 1,788 K

.....vmnetdhcp.exe - 1,512 K

.....alg.exe - 3,312 K

.....sistray.exe - 2,148 K

.....Updater.exe - 2,404 K

.....daemon.exe - 2,656 K

.....winampa.exe - 1,504 K

.....avgcc.exe - 9,500 K

.....MWSOEMON.EXE - 1,444 K

.....jusched.exe - 1,648 K

.....avgemc.exe - 5,724 K

.....iTunesHelper.exe - 3,400 K

.....iPodService.exe - 3,356 K

.....qttask.exe - 1,584 K

.....realsched.exe - 160 K

.....Aqua Dock.exe - 552 K

.....invtray.exe - 4,144 K

.....reader_sl.exe - 1,860 K

.....wuauclt.exe - 6,652 K

.....wmiprvse.exe - 5,500 K

.....dvdreasy.exe - 10,160 K





DVDREasy settings . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

[Folders]

Working=H:\temp



[Paths]

cce=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\CCE Basic Trial Version\cct2t.exe

brv=C:\Program Files\BitrateView\bitrate.exe



[CCE]

vbr_pass=3

quality_prec=17

use_filter=0

filter_val=2

gop_m=3

gop_nm=4

seq_hdr=1

all_closed_gop=0

fix_gop_length=0

progressive=0

alternate_scan=0

non_linear=0

dvd=0

intra_dc_prec=-1



[ISO BURN]

dvdrw_drive_letter=E:

delete_files=1



[ENCODER]

name=hc



[HC]

profile=Best

dc_prec=Auto

noseq_endcode=0

closedgops=0

matrix=NOTCH

dc_pec=Auto





Choosed settings information

--------------------------------------------------------------

IFO File : E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_0.IFO

Type : MPEG2 720x480

Aspect : NTSC 4:3

Lenght : 01:23:46

Chapters : 29

Audio : 0x80, English - AC3 6Ch 

Subtitles : 0x20, English

Create Iso Image : False

ISO Volume Label : CHER_LIVE_IN_VEGAS

Burn Iso Image : False





STEP - Executing DVD Decrypter to rip VOB files . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

Step Started at : 2005/05/04 18:21:39

Command line : cmd /c cd "H:\temp" && "C:\Program Files\DVD Decrypter\dvddecrypter.exe" /MODE IFO /SRC E: /DEST "H:\temp" /VTS 01 /PGC 1 /ANGLE 1 /DIRECT 0xE0 0x80 0x20 /START /CLOSE

Step ended at : 2005/05/04 18:38:47

Free disk Space : 19,809,260 Kb





STEP - Analising ripped VOB files . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

Ripped VOB Files Size : 5,230,398 Kb

Re-encoding needed : True





STEP - Creating DVD2AVI project & Demuxing audio track . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

Step Started at : 2005/05/04 18:38:47

Command line : cmd /c "C:\Program Files\DVDREasy\dvd2avidg\dvd2avidg.exe" -CS=2 -TN=1 -OM=2 -AIF=[H:\temp\vts_01_1.vob] -OF=[H:\temp\movie] -exit

Step ended at : 2005/05/04 18:42:00

Free disk Space : 19,513,904 Kb





STEP - Bitrate calculation

--------------------------------------------------------------

Audio Bitrate (Kbps) : 448

New Video Bitrate (Kbps) : 6817





STEP - Executing VobSub to extract subtitles . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

Step Started at : 2005/05/04 18:42:00

Command Line : cmd /c rundll32 "C:\Program Files\DVDREasy\subtitles\vobsub.dll",Configure H:\temp\vobsub.txt

Step ended at : 2005/05/04 18:44:59

Free disk Space : 19,509,656 Kb





STEP - Executing SUBTOSUP to converte subtitles . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

Step Started at : 2005/05/04 18:44:59

Step ended at : 2005/05/04 18:45:01

Free disk Space : 19,506,896 Kb





STEP - Creating AVS File . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DVDREasy\dvd2avidg\mpeg2dec3dg.dll")

mpeg2source("H:\temp\movie.d2v")

AddAudio()

ConvertToYV12()





STEP - Executing BitRate Viewer to get video settings . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

Step Started at : 2005/05/04 18:45:02

Num. of picture read: 161609



Stream type: MPEG-2  MP@ML  CBR



Resolution: 720*480



Aspect ratio: 4:3 Generic   



Framerate: 29.97



Nom. bitrate: 7500000 Bit/Sec



VBV buffer size: 112 



Constrained param. flag: No 



Chroma format: 4:2:0



DCT precision: 10



Pic. structure: Frame



Field topfirst: Yes



DCT type: Field



Quantscale: Nonlinear



Scan type: Alternate



Frame type: Interlaced



Notes:



PullDown needed : False

Step ended at : 2005/05/04 18:49:29





STEP - Creating HC.INI File . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

*ASPECT 4:3

*BITRATE 6817

*MAXBITRATE 9100

*INFILE H:\temp\movie.avs

*LOGFILE H:\temp\hc.log

*OUTFILE H:\temp\movie.mpv

*MATRIX NOTCH

*PROFILE Best

*DC_PREC 10

*INTERLACED





STEP - Executing HC ENCODER to Encode Video . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

Step Started at : 2005/05/04 18:49:29

Command line : cmd /c cd "H:\temp" && "H:\temp\hcbatch.exe" -ini "H:\temp\hc.ini"

Step ended at : 2005/05/04 22:12:44

Free disk Space : 15,019,012 Kb





Executing Muxman to Author New DVD . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

Step Started at : 2005/05/04 22:12:44

Command line : cmd /c start /w /HIGH /d"C:\Program Files\DVDREasy\muxdemux" muxman "H:\temp\movie.mxp" -d "H:\temp\video_ts" -l "H:\temp\muxman.log" -run

Step ended at : 2005/05/04 22:30:09

Free disk Space : 10,144,068 Kb





End of DVDREasy Conversion Process . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------

Process Ended at : 2005/05/04 22:30:18

Free disk Space : 10,144,068 Kb

-kwag

@dvdreasy,

Could it be HC 0.14 that I'm using :?:
I followed a post on your forum, to rename the new (latest) version to "HCbatch.exe" I believe, and that's what I used to encode.

-kwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

@dvdreasy,

Could it be HC 0.14 that I'm using :?:
I followed a post on your forum, to rename the new (latest) version to "HCbatch.exe" I believe, and that's what I used to encode.

-kwag

No, I don't think so . . .
I have to investigate this a litle further.

Hi dvdreasy,

Based on my calculator, CalcuMatic, the average bitrate for this movie should be: 6688.1 Kbps.
The calculated average in dvdreasy is shown as 6817 Kbps, which overshoots the size of the DVD-5 media.
Here's a screenshot:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/i.../2005/05/1.jpg
http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/i.../2005/05/2.jpg

And from HC's log:

Code:

bitrate set to:                  6817000 b/s

est. outfile length:             4487269 kB

That encoded file size did hit the target size, which is 4,594,972,743 / 1024 = 4487278.0693359375
That's the size of the encoded .m2v file on my directory.
So the calculated average bitrate is indeed too high.

-kwag

I just edited the file "hc.ini" with average bitrate of 6688.
I then manually executed: "c:\Program Files\DVDREasy\hcenc\HCbatch.exe" -ini "H:\temp\hc.ini"
So I will know in the morning if the final file size produced by HC will be 4,201,820 which is what the video stream should be.
I'll let you know, but now I'm off to bed :D

-kwag

Can you not put your own bitrate in the 'New calculated video bitrate' box?

Or is that fixed by DVDREasy and cannot be changed?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Based on my calculator, CalcuMatic, the average bitrate for this movie should be: 6688.1 Kbps.
The calculated average in dvdreasy is shown as 6817 Kbps, which overshoots the size of the DVD-5 media.
-kwag

I get about the same value 6663 if, in the calculation method I consider 1 KBPS = 1024 bits. But if I consider 1 KBPS = 1000 bits, wich is what both CCE and HCENC uses I get 6817

IN CalcuMatic what are you using ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvdreasy

I use 1024.

BTW, the size of the .m2v file after reencoding with 6688 average, is now 4.19 GB or 4,402,367 KB
It seems HC is encoding a final size larger than wanted, because based on my calculations at an average of 6688, the final size should be about 4,201,820 KB for the video stream, but it was larger!.
That's 200MB larger that the wanted file size.

-kwag

@dvdreasy,

I think this is the problem.
I see that on dvdreasy, with this particular DVD it detected a movie length of 01:23:46, but the real movie length is 1:29.52.
That's after dragging the VOB that dvdreasy extracted, straight into Vdub, and I also verified in the DVD box, where it states that the video time is 90 minutes.
The audio file size is correct, at 294,895KB.
So it seems dvdreasy thinks that the movie is shorter, selected a higher average bitrate, and that's why it oversized.
As Zyphon suggested, could it be possible to modify the value in the 'New calculated video bitrate' box?
This would take care of IFO differences of some DVDs, and the user can override the average bitrate for correction.

Thanks again,
-kwag

Thanks for your extensive testing Karl, you have saved me from wasting several hours of encoding.

Thanks also to you dvdreasy for your feedback I hope these teething problems can be solved sooner or later.

Great work btw a nice all-in-one tool. Just needs a little tweaking. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

I think this is the problem.
I see that on dvdreasy, with this particular DVD it detected a movie length of 01:23:46, but the real movie length is 1:29.52.
That's after dragging the VOB that dvdreasy extracted, straight into Vdub, and I also verified in the DVD box, where it states that the video time is 90 minutes.

Strange !!!!! :!:
And it only happens with that particular DVD ? Did you make the same comparision with other DVD and all were OK ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

As Zyphon suggested, could it be possible to modify the value in the 'New calculated video bitrate' box?
This would take care of IFO differences of some DVDs, and the user can override the average bitrate for correction.

I want to avoid this kind of approuch. this is a one-click tool.
The way Zyphon suggested, DVDREasy must break/interrupt the conversion process waiting for user input.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvdreasy

Strange !!!!! :!:
And it only happens with that particular DVD ? Did you make the same comparision with other DVD and all were OK ?

I haven't tried other DVDs. This was my first try :!:
I'll test with a couple of other DVDs now, and see if the times match the ones dvdreasy are pasring from the IFOs.

Edit: This is the DVD with the problem: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0218879/

-kwag

Hi dvdreasy,

I just tried another movie, and dvdreasy did read the correct time.
I also tried this particular DVD with DVDShrink, the one reading less time, and DVDShrink does read the correct time of 1:29:46, where dvdreasy reads 01:23:46
Here's the IFO file, if you want to take a look at it: http://www.kvcd.net/downloads/VTS_01_0.IFO

-kwag

kwag,

Thanks !

this could be a BUG in DVDREasy (Ifo parsing)

I will investigate this and report ASAP

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvdreasy

kwag,

Thanks !

this could be a BUG in DVDREasy (Ifo parsing)

I will investigate this and report ASAP

Thanks http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif :D

-kwag

@all,

Great progress. 8) DVDREasy is a keeper for high quality DVD backups
for me. Nice work DVDEasy!!!

-BP

dvdreasy wrote:

Quote:

....consider 1 KBPS = 1000 bits, wich is what both CCE and HCENC uses...

Just a little off topic question,anyone around here that can tell me what TMPEGnc use, 1kbps=1000bits or 1kbps=1024bits??

Thanks

About DVDREasy,im doing first backup now,HP and The Chambers Of Secrets,and the lenght was read correct,2h 34m 21s,so with AC3 6ch 384Kbps and subtitles the bitrate was set to 3558.Halfway through first
pass now.Nice tool,keep up the good work :!:

@all

YEP,
its a BUG in DVDREasy. This only occurs in some extremely rare situations. I allready corrected this and will be available in next release (soon)

@ Kwag,

Thanks for pointing this out and for your time on extensive testings.

Cheers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvdreasy

@ Kwag,

Thanks for pointing this out and for your time on extensive testings.

Cheers.

Any time my friend ;)

-kwag

WOW! 8O
Just finished encoding "Cold Creek Manor". Original size of the whole DVD is 7.34 GB. Encoded size is 4.33 GB, in other words, PERFECT! 8)
And I haven't even mentioned the quality yet. I can't see any difference from the source DVD. Great tool. Thanks a lot!