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Dialhot 06-05-2005 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kwag
Or use DVDREasy :)

It does not work on Win2000.
Always a failure at the last step. And as it removes intermediates files (like just encoded video), I lost two times 5 hours and removed it.

black prince 06-05-2005 03:35 PM

Kwag wrote:
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Or use DVDREasy
I use DVDREasy version 6.3 and encoded with CCE 2.6 with no
trouble at all on Windows 2000 Pro. I quit using HCEnc due to
the very long time (12+ hours) for two passes to finish encoding.
My results are fantastic. My encoding times are 4 to 8 hours total.
I changed my partition drive to NTFS which allows DVD Decrypter
to create a .vob file greater than 4.2GB in size. :)

-BP

Dialhot 06-05-2005 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by black prince
Kwag wrote:
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Or use DVDREasy
I use DVDREasy version 6.3 and encoded with CCE 2.6 with no
trouble at all on Windows 2000 Pro. I quit using HCEnc due to
the very long time (12+ hours) for two passes to finish encoding.

I did a test with both encoders and had the same error in the next step. Something about a bad value "5" that is out of range. I don't even know what causes that.
(I used 0.64, the one for CCE 2.70)

kwag 06-06-2005 02:55 AM

I just tried playing a .ratdvd file that I did on my wife's machine (she's on XP), and I can play it on W2K :D :!:
Just so you all know that although you can't encode on W2K, you can playback :cool:

-kwag

Dialhot 06-06-2005 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kwag
I just tried playing a .ratdvd file that I did on my wife's machine (she's on XP), and I can play it on W2K :D :!:

Still the same question : what about the quality please ?
And also, final target file size obtained compared to source's one ?

Dialhot 06-06-2005 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyphon
If that is the case I would use DVD-RB using the KVCD matrix to backup my DVD then just use RatDVD to make it into a single file for viewing on my laptop if I wanted to watch the movie without having to bring the actual DVD along with me.

If you mean that you won't use ratDVD for compressing then, again, an ISO done with DVDDecrypter is exactly what you need. ratDVD is useless here.

kwag 06-06-2005 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
I just tried playing a .ratdvd file that I did on my wife's machine (she's on XP), and I can play it on W2K :D :!:

Still the same question : what about the quality please ?

Very good :!:
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And also, final target file size obtained compared to source's one ?
It encodes in CQ mode, so the file size will be different for every movie.
Still, way under the 4.3GB limit.
Check your PM :cool:

-kwag

Zyphon 06-06-2005 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon
If that is the case I would use DVD-RB using the KVCD matrix to backup my DVD then just use RatDVD to make it into a single file for viewing on my laptop if I wanted to watch the movie without having to bring the actual DVD along with me.

If you mean that you won't use ratDVD for compressing then, again, an ISO done with DVDDecrypter is exactly what you need. ratDVD is useless here.

Lmao. :lol: :lol: Yes you are right of course Phil, silly me. :oops:

It is far esier to do just that and use an ISO from DVDDecrypter than to mess around encoding my DVD's again. :D

black prince 06-08-2005 06:44 AM

@All,

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How can I play back ratDVDs? Do I really need Media Player 10?

ratDVDs is a special format that due to its advanced features needs a special set of filters for playback. These playback filters get installed when you install ratDVD and register in the system.

Once they are registered every player can use them. One player which does this is Windows Media Player. Other players often need some modifications in order to "understand" the ratDVD extension and so uselize the correct filters. If a player does not work this is probably because he does not "know" the .ratdvd extension and uses the wrong set of filters.

To enable every player to play back ratDVDs I released the filters for integration into every player for download here. Everyone is welcome to use it as he wants - if you have questions regarding the integration contact me at the email address below.

So, in summary, currently there are not that many players that do the playback but it should only be a days work to integrate it into a player that can work with DirectShow filters. Regarding the DVD Player "requirement" please read here.
There has been an update to the playback programs which no longer
requires WMP 10. These filters use DirectShow and players can
be configured to use them for .RatDVD files. Check the RatDVD website
to download them. :)

-BP

kwag 06-09-2005 08:09 AM

I just had an idea :idea:
Because RatDVD used Directshow to process a DVD, how about a program that would "trap" DVD reads (break the filter graph chain), redirect them to AviSynth, and redirect back to ratDVD :idea:
The idea is to divert the stream being read from ratDVD, so that we may apply filters to the stream, and then loop back to rat's processing.
Then we could call it "ratDVD Trap!" :lol:
Maybe I'll look into Directshow API and see if something can be done :cool:
Does this make sense, or is this another of my "dumb, early morning" ideas :?: :mrgreen:

-kwag

Dialhot 06-09-2005 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kwag
l:Does this make sense, or is this another of my "dumb, early morning" ideas :?: :mrgreen:

I always say that you should never use Direcshow to encode your source because you can't know what is interfering in the render chain between the source and you. Your idea is the exact illustation of this :)

kwag 06-09-2005 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot
I always say that you should never use Direcshow to encode your source because you can't know what is interfering in the render chain between the source and you. Your idea is the exact illustation of this :)

I agree, but in this case, ratDVD DOES use Directshow for processing :!:
So breaking the filter chain would be the only way to add external filtering.

-kwag

Dialhot 06-09-2005 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kwag
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
I always say that you should never use Direcshow to encode your source because you can't know what is interfering in the render chain between the source and you. Your idea is the exact illustation of this :)

I agree, but in this case, ratDVD DOES use Directshow for processing :!:
So breaking the filter chain would be the only way to add external filtering.

Yes, that's what I wanted to say. If I'd develop something like ratDVD, I'd never user directshow. Because there is always a crazy mind to have the idea to screw my efforts with his crazy ideas :D

kwag 06-09-2005 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot
Because there is always a crazy mind

Thanks :!: :mrgreen:
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to have the idea to screw my efforts with his crazy ideas :D
But my crazy idea is not to screw up ratDVD. On the contrary ;)

-kwag

black prince 06-09-2005 07:07 PM

@Kwag,

Keep coming with those ideas. :idea: Some will become very useful :)
Your purpose would be to improve the compressed RatDVD picture and
that's worth a try. 8) Others will improve your ideas later, but try it
out as a start. I would like to see KVCD Notch matrix somehow applied
to RatDVD. It certainly helped DVDREasy improve it's picture quality.

-BP

Dialhot 06-09-2005 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by black prince
Your purpose would be to improve the compressed RatDVD picture and
that's worth a try.

I see that nobody understand when I'm doing jokes... :(

danpos 06-09-2005 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot

I see that nobody understand when I'm doing jokes... :(

It's because you're a "serious guy" :!: :lol: :lol: :lol:

CYA :!:

AlexandreBH 06-10-2005 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot
I see that nobody understand when I'm doing jokes... :(

sometimes is like "a delicated sound of thunder"... :lol:
don't worry,like danpos said,you seems a serious guy(and is of course) but it's only the words that you choose to write.change the sinonimous in your posts and will transmit more friendly answers! :wink:
see how Rui can be amazing and lovely even when "brave" .yep,another Rui fan here! :lol:

rds_correia 06-10-2005 07:17 PM

I take it as a compliment :D.
But Phil is a supermod on 49 sub-forums here at kvcd.net.
He has 8490 posts in ~2 years, which gives more than 11 posts/day.
Not to mention that he also is a mod in other communities.
With such figures you have to agree that sometimes it's difficult to choose the right words before hiting the "submit" button :lol:.
Cheers

Prodater64 06-10-2005 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rds_correia
With such figures you have to agree that sometimes it's difficult to choose the right words before hiting the "submit" button :lol:.
Cheers

I'm pretty sure that Phil always write that he want, with corrects words that he carefuly selected.


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