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sparskter 10-11-2005 04:35 PM

Which encoder is 100% compatible with standalone players ?
 
Hello!

I did a search in forum. Found this quote from kwag:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sagittaire
... IMO Libavcodec is the best for MPEG2) prove that with this trailer ...

It's also the worst compliant encoded MPEG2 stream in the world, which causes many incompatibilities in standalone players :!:

Well, considering O-N-L-Y the notch matrix (kvcd technology):

1- TMPGENC PLUS 2.524.63.181 (last of 2.xxx series)
2- HC 0.16 (HCbatch 0.16 testrelease2 16-09-2005)
3- QUENC 0.60 (libavcodec based) --> letīs give it at least a try :oops:

Which one is the really full 100% standalone players compatible with ? Does the resolution (720x480, 352x480, 352x240) matter on compatibility also ? I mean, the larger resolution, the better compat. is ?

I am asking this because:

1- TMPGENC
:arrow: had problems with lower resolutions

HC & QUENC
:arrow: had problems using PAL-M

One more important question: the burning software. Does it matter ? I am trying Nero 7, but I think it has some bugs. I do not know yet for sure. Maybe is better to take nero 6 for now.

best regards

sparskter

incredible 10-11-2005 05:16 PM

? Just the sentence "100% Compatible with SAPs" means with WHAT SAP?

The Cyberhome505 plays all, means CCE, TmpgEnc, HC, Libavcodec ....

But if you want an Encoder which results in 100% DVD mpeg2 specs compilant streams which has been proofed over month/years, then go for CCE or TmpGEnc.
I never have heared about issues on TmpgEnc. and for shure not on CCE.
Many people also do claim a given encoder not 100% mpeg2 specs compatible cause something is setted wrong.

So if you do encode for yourself, feed the SAP with streams they do work, thats it.
If you do encode on customer request (anybody out there? ;) ) means real Jobs for the "outside" then I'd go for CCE as its the best combo of speed and compilancy. And the Price for basic (2pass VBR only imho) is ok.
http://www.cinemacraft.com/eng/basic.html

HC is also very promising, but .... its not worth safe 59$ for going into risks about compilancy (still talking about lessest riskfactor on money earning jobs) as HC is not that proofed to be compilant like CCE. Ok, HC isnt that long available and in developing stage, but I already heared about 1-2 user reports about compilancy issues.

sparskter 10-11-2005 05:53 PM

Thanks for the reply, incredible!

Quote:

Originally Posted by incredible
? Just the sentence "100% Compatible with SAPs" means with WHAT SAP?

Yeah, I mean ALL Stand Alone Players: SONY, LG, PHILIPS, CYBERHOME, JVC, etc. In other words, my questions could be translated as: "which encoder is closest to be 100% compatible to all of them ?".

And what about the resolutions ? Does it not matter for compatiblity ?

*curious*: I read somewhere that the "industry" (hollywood, sony pics, etc) ONLY uses a "special" hardware for their professional MPEG-2 encodes. Is that true ? No "common" software (cce ?) at all ?


best regards.

Prodater64 10-11-2005 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparskter
And what about the resolutions ? Does it not matter for compatiblity ?

mpeg2 at 720*576(480), 704*576(480), 352*576(480) and 352*288 and mpeg1 at 352*288(240) are all DVD compliants resolutions.

Dialhot 10-11-2005 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparskter
*curious*: I read somewhere that the "industry" (hollywood, sony pics, etc) ONLY uses a "special" hardware for their professional MPEG-2 encodes. Is that true ? No "common" software (cce ?) at all

That's true. Just for speed reason.
And when then use software, it is not "amateur" tools that we know (I don't know for CCE) but things like Discreet Cleaner.
http://www.dvcreators.net/products/cleaner_win.html

sparskter 03-20-2006 08:06 PM

from CCE manual:

Quote:

3.8 Disable adaptive Q-matrix switching
Cinema Craft Encoder SP (later than 2.67) adjusts quantization matrix
automatically to improve the quality of image when Multipass
VBR is selected. However, some DVD player does not support such
MPEG streams as encoded with adaptive quantization matrix, and
may cause the block noise when playback.
When you encounter the
problem, you can avoid it with this option.
Sounds to be exactly my problem :!: Many SAP plays like this when I encode at low resolutions (352X240) :!: I will need to test it :/

Boulder 03-21-2006 02:00 AM

The adaptive quant matrix option is very commonly used on commercial DVDs. Just check the matrices with DGIndex :wink: Besides, it is DVD compliant - if the standalone doesn't work, the standalone is not compliant :lol:

gamma 03-21-2006 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparskter
from CCE manual:

Quote:

3.8 Disable adaptive Q-matrix switching
Cinema Craft Encoder SP (later than 2.67) adjusts quantization matrix
automatically to improve the quality of image when Multipass
VBR is selected. However, some DVD player does not support such
MPEG streams as encoded with adaptive quantization matrix, and
may cause the block noise when playback.
When you encounter the
problem, you can avoid it with this option.
Sounds to be exactly my problem :!: Many SAP plays like this when I encode at low resolutions (352X240) :!: I will need to test it :/

You should turn this off to make sure CCE will always use the notch.


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