KVCDx2 vs KVCD x3
 

I have really good results with the x2 704x480 template, but I have seen several comments that the x3 template is just as good (or better) when viewed on the TV. My question is this: why would a reduced resolution produce identical results? When I viewed samples from both templates on my monitor, the x2 output looked better.

I haven't put any XVCD's together with x3, but I will be more than willing to give it, a try (with the proper convincing).

So, convince me! Is the advantage to be found in a shorter encoding time, reduced block noise, smaller file size, what's the appeal?

Thanks in advance for this; I'm still a hopeless Noob :lol:

Re: KVCDx2 vs KVCD x3
 

Less mosquito noise, fewer macroblocks, less overall blockiness, shorter encoding time, higher CQ/CQ_VBR level, longer playing time.

:)

Holy smokes!! :oops:

Yep, that did it. All further projects will be x3.

Thanks, Sansgrip!!

Mine too. Have just finished Spiderman. Over two hours, almost fullscreen and the quality is very acceptable.

(eventhou the final quality was 7.77)

Very nice job the gurus in here!!!


Keep on going.


Gaudi

I can now testify that I was a complete fool using the x2 template. The quality on 'Super Troopers' is nothing short of gorgeous!! Granted, since I am still mostly a complete fool, I chose to activate Tempgenc's color-correct AND noise reduction filters, and I am now looking at a 25-hour encoding time for a 98 min movie... :D

I can be VERY patient when it comes to better results....

Thanks to Sansgrip and Kwag, and all the rest of you merciless, unstoppable video gods!! :twisted:

Colour-correction and noise reduction can both be done as easily and more effectively through a variety of Avisynth filters. Personally I like FluxSmooth. Did I mention that already? :mrgreen:

Btw, you should probably put kwag's name (and the names of others) before mine. Just take a look at the date I joined the forum... ;)

No way SansGrip :D . I started a little snowball and you and many others have made it into a huge avalanche :flip:

-kwag

Very well....

ALL HAIL THE GRAND HIGH POOBAH OF VIDEO - KWAG! KWAG! KWAG!

Prostrate yourselves before the man who started it all!!!

Seriously, Kwag, you are a life saver!! I am so happy I found out about you and your disciples....

TWO! FOUR! SIX! EIGHT! WHO DO WE APPRECIATE!? KWAG!!!! KWAG!!!! KWAAAAAAAAG!!!! :lol:

I just got a 2h20m movie on one disc at 528x480 with very good quality. I wouldn't call that a little snowball :mrgreen:.

I know, I know....

But I am loath to learn an all new program just yet. If you can steer me in the direction of a good thread based on this technology, I'd be grateful.

Did I mention I was a complete idiot? :D

Once you get used to it Avisynth is so easy you'll be amazed you ever felt intimidated. Go here and download 2.07 and install it as per the instructions, then read some of The Giant Threads(tm) for good scripts to use.

If you need help, and it's about Avisynth in general, shout in the Avisynth forum. If it's about one of my filters specifically (Blockbuster, FluxSmooth, Sampler, etc.) shout in SansGrip's Filters forum and I'll see what I can do.

You did, but I don't believe it :).

All right, SansGrip, I downloaded the scary new software addition to my desktop, per your instructions. I have no doubt that you are right in recommending this, but I fear you've overestimated my end-user skills :D

I'll work at it, and I hope to deliver good news soon...

SansGrip,

BTW, thanks for offering your help. Hope I don't need it (I probably will LOL), but nice to know it's there....

CQ setting
 

on the KVCD X3...

What is the lowest CQ setting you would goto before you split it up on more CD's?

I've used 11 for my lowest and it looks great on a normal 32" Television.

Hi KingTuk,

The best thing to do is to look at your encoded prediction sample. If it looks good for one CD, leave it. If not, then go for 2 CDs :D

-kwag

I'm encoding K-19 right now, at 15 (lowest I've had it). I may have to run it through again, It's almost done and the file size (video only) is Over 700 megs. Hopefully I can add the audio and keep it small enough to burn!

I'll keep that 11 minimum in mind if it comes to that!

Re: CQ setting
 

I've never had to go to more discs. I usually just drop the resolution. But if you don't want to do that, I'd say base your decision on how the sample looks, not what the number is. If you see too many artifacts then go to two discs.

The only way of knowing what is "too many" is to encode lots and lots of samples at different quality levels, then play them on your TV. You'll soon pick up a feeling for what is acceptable and what isn't.

I assume you mean CQ_VBR. I've gone as low as 8-9, but that's pushing it. I'd rather stay in the teens.

@Reno
I encoded K19 with the latest 704x480 template using clip borders in Tmpgenc. Here's the template.

LoadPlugin("D:\Downloads\FitCD\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("d:\downloads\fluxsmooth\fluxsmooth.dll ")
LoadPlugin("d:\downloads\sampler\sampler.dll")
LoadPlugin("d:\downloads\legalclip\legalclip.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\Movies\Vob\K19\K19.d2v")
LegalClip()
BilinearResize(672,352,0,0,720,480)
FluxSmooth()
AddBorders(16,64,16,64)
LegalClip()

Got it on 1 disk with excellent quality.

-Yoda

Mucho thanks Yoda!!

I'll try that out.

Oh, one more (really dumb noob) question; you appear to have loaded some of Sansgrip's filters in Tempgenc. I thought those where written for Avisynth! They're supported? Argghh...

Actually new_bee-look-alike-contest-winner has posted his .avs-script and not his template...

Hey everyone i am a new person to this website, as you can tell i joined today. Yeah i know alot of video formats and everything but i bearely heard about KVCD today and i heard that you can fit 180 minutes on 1 cd with amazing results and wow!!! if thats true wow and if it is true then i would rather make a movie 120 minutes per cd for better quality. but can you rip a movie and then make it a kvcd or do i have to convert it to another high quality compression like divx or something like that? oh and hey can anyone please show me how to do a kvcd x3 plz i would appreciate it thanx. :D

Hi Cecilio,

Start by looking at this guide :D : http://www.kvcd.net/guides/kguide/kvcdguide.htm

-kwag

hey kwag i wanna make kvcd with very very very high quality. lately i have been ripping my movies as CVD at a max bitrate of 2000 kb/sec which gives me about 50 minutes of video per cd. but that is a clear copy of the dvd. usually i use only 2 cds because i use a bitrate calculater and i enter the lenght of the movie and it tells me what bitrate i should use. and well i want something that i can put an 80 minute video on one cdr and that looks way better than a vcd

The go for KVCDx3, and it will look almost like a DVD :D
We've been putting ~2 hours on a CD with the latest techniques, like FaeryDust and Convolution 3D filters.
Check this thread: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2339

-kwag

hey well yea i will try to learn how to make a kvcdx3 but i will need a guide that explains most of the steps and software i need. can you please show me a guide so that i can learn. because 2 hours on 1 cd with high almost dvd quality shhh i dont believe it. i can make really good dvd quality video but only 50 minutes per cd but na that doesnt compare to 120 minutes of high quality video on only 1 cd. thanks kwag for starting this and all you others for making this what it is now. peace

First download this: http://www.kvcd.net/redplanet-cq78-faery-c3d.mpg
Now that should make you a believer :wink:
Now go read this guide: http://www.kvcd.net/guides/kguide/kvcdguide.htm
and follow it step by step.

-kwag

First download this: http://www.kvcd.net/redplanet-cq78-faery-c3d.mpg
Now that should make you a believer :wink:
Now go read this guide: http://www.kvcd.net/guides/kguide/kvcdguide.htm
and follow it step by step.

-kwag[/quote] hey listen kwag im sorry to keep on bohtering you but ok first of all you told me to download this file and i put it and it doesn't work it says windows media player has encountered an error and has to close. its windows media player 9 for windows XP. i tried it like 5 times the screen just stays white. ok and then you told me to read the guide well i already saw that guide and it says that the guide is to make kvcdx2 and well i wanna make kvcdx3 and well anyways i did try following the guide and i had most of the software except one which is headac3he. i downloaded the program but i cant seem to download the dll files from the original website like i put download and it takes me to a lycos website and then it just loads something and it just pops out a screen that says lycos big and thats it so i cant download the dll files so im like na its aight its only to make kvcdx2 not x3. plz i need help. do you have msn messenger or yahoo messenger. if so holla back at me and if not halla back at me anyways aight peace dawg :)

hey listen kwag im sorry to keep on bohtering you but ok first of all you told me to download this file and i put it and it doesn't work it says windows media player has encountered an error and has to close. its windows media player 9 for windows XP. i tried it like 5 times the screen just stays white. ok and then you told me to read the guide well i already saw that guide and it says that the guide is to make kvcdx2 and well i wanna make kvcdx3 and well anyways i did try following the guide and i had most of the software except one which is headac3he. i downloaded the program but i cant seem to download the dll files from the original website like i put download and it takes me to a lycos website and then it just loads something and it just pops out a screen that says lycos big and thats it so i cant download the dll files so im like na its aight its only to make kvcdx2 not x3. plz i need help. do you have msn messenger or yahoo messenger. if so holla back at me and if not halla back at me anyways aight peace dawg :)[/quote] hey ok i am downloading the file you told me to download. the only problem is that i have dial up and it is going to take me about 25 minutes to download it. oh and another thing is this a kvcdx2 or a kvcdx3. and what should i burn it as a vcd or an svcd. thats it just knowing that i should be good off. :o

[quote="Cecilio_87"] Hey you know what i am just gonna give up on kvcd. i tried it and i made some video but they looked a little bit crappier than a vcd. but i know i did it wrong. cause the samples were excellent. but im having to much of a hard time doing this and na im jus gonna keep on making cvds thanks anyways kwag for trying to help aight peace out dawg.

amazing
 

Would you explain to us how you got that much movie on just 1 disc.. thanks

I tried this code but the video resolution is illegal.. what should i do? and what template did you use?

It's right at the top: 704x480 :wink:
That would be the KVCD 704x480 PLUS template.
You must burn your mpeg file as non-standard VCD so that the authoring programs ( VCDEasy, Nero ) will read the file.

-kwag

hey again
 

i am still really confusing with all this stuff.. could you help?
I wanna burn a 100min movie. I want the quality to be great and i dont mind if it is on 2 cds. What would be the best way to do this?

what difference between mpeg2 and mpeg1 ?

Re: amazing
 

I don't even remember what movie it was, let alone what settings I used ;). I believe it was 352x240 LBR, but with the new techniques I believe it would be possible to get the same amount of material (depending on the movie of course) on one disc using 528x480.