KVCD: 115 min on 1 cd with kvcdX3 - mpeg1 or 2?
This one was a real pain in the @ss to do.
Finally, the only acceptable quality was to use the lowres pal-plus template at 120min/cd, CQ60. Then I read in this forum the author Kwag recommends the (hires) kvcdX3 templates, even at 120min/cd! After a little testing I'm still not convinced. This is a real non-action movie but I can't get the quality above the low-res template. (my CQ-value around 50) This is my .avs: --------------------- LoadPlugin("H:\Warez\Dvdsoft\Encoders\Mpeg2dec\MPE G2DEC2.dll") LoadPlugin("H:\Warez\Dvdsoft\Encoders\Mpeg2dec\Gri pFit_preview.dll") LoadPlugin("H:\Warez\Dvdsoft\Encoders\Mpeg2dec\blo ckbuster.dll") LoadPlugin("H:\Warez\Dvdsoft\Encoders\Mpeg2dec\leg alclip.dll") LoadPlugin("H:\Warez\Dvdsoft\Encoders\Mpeg2dec\sam pler.dll") LoadPlugin("H:\Warez\Dvdsoft\Encoders\Mpeg2dec\flu xsmooth.dll") LoadPlugin("H:\Warez\Dvdsoft\Encoders\Mpeg2dec\dus tv5.dll") Mpeg2Source("E:\Video\Sweetnov.d2v") LegalClip() GripCrop( width=544, height=576, overscan=1 ) GripSize() FluxSmooth() SpaceDust() Blockbuster(method="noise", variance=.4, seed=1) GripBorders() LegalClip() Sampler(length=24) ## MPEG size = ((Total frames/MovieTimeInMinutes)/24) * MPEG sample file size * .98 ## ----------------------------- Do I have to use the mpeg-1 or mpeg-2 template at 120 min/cd? Are my filter-settings correct? Please help. Regards, |
Re: Sweet November - 115 min on 1 cd with kvcdX3 - mpeg1 or
Try KVCDx3 again, but change your script to this:
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LoadPlugin("H:\Warez\Dvdsoft\Encoders\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2DEC2.dll") Now run your sample session to find your new higher CQ value :wink: -kwag |
how about this instead and takes less time:
Mpeg2Source("E:\Video\Sweetnov.d2v") LegalClip() GripCrop( width=544, height=576, overscan=1 ) GripSize() SpaceDust() NoMoSmooth(30,2,6,2,6) TemporalCleaner() GripBorders() LegalClip() I've been messing around with nomosmooth after spacedust and getting good results... |
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The few tests I did with space+nomo then temporalcleaner were equal to pixie then temporalcleaner...
so I am saying to use all three SpaceDust() NoMoSmooth(30,2,6,2,6) TemporalCleaner() instead of just PixieDust() TemporalCleaner() |
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So for heavy noise sources, use PixieDust or FaeryDust, and for fairly clean sources use SpaceDust. :D -kwag |
FaeryDust uses temporal filtering only. It should preserve the maximum
detail. (Not really true yet with strong settings but will be :) Recommended limit settings 1-5 SpaceDust is just the spatial filter from PixieDust. It is for those who want the April version speed from Dust now :) It can improve the visual quality quite a bit. However unlike PixieDust, It can only reduce noise - not remove it. So the compression gains (and compressed quality) will be less. PixieDust is essentially FaeryDust + SpaceDust (with some twists). It is probably the best to use for medium noise and those who shoot for 1-CD encodes. Recommended limit settings 3-8 But going by what you just said you wouldn't need to add temporalcleaner to pixiedust since pixie has temporal and spatial... so what I did is almost the same thing... pixiedust() spatial+temporal TemporalCleaner() temporal --------------------------------------------------- SpaceDust() spatial NoMoSmooth(30,2,6,2,6) spatial+temporal TemporalCleaner() temporal I just have 2 spatials and 2 temporals where you put 1 spatial and 2 temporals Try it... I think you'll like the results :D |
Thank you for your fast replies,
One more question. When do I have to use the kvcdX3 mpeg1 or the mpeg2 template? Do low-action movies or high action movies make any difference whether you choose mpeg1 or mpeg2? |
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Kwag,
I agree, but for a 1CD encode I couldn't tell a difference on a regular television using pixie(very long) then temporalcleaner vs space+nomo(much shorter) then temporalcleaner. Since I don't have an HDTV I couldn't say about the fog. For me... I only use spacedust and temporalcleaner and backup usually to 2 CD's since I rather have quality than trying to cram 2 hour and 3 hour movies onto 1 CD :wink: |
Hi KingTuk,
Ok, I agree that for the "ultimate" compression ( squeezing the last drop :lol: ), it is a good choice :D I'm currently doing a test run with Snollygoster's new "AviSynthesizer" using ALL filters turned on :mrgreen: -kwag |
Why are you using such a high resolution? If you decrease the resolution could you not up the CQ?
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Ok, so if I use the higher res, can I drop Blockbuster? I've been doing CVD w/Flux and Blockbuster(noise) with great results.
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-kwag |
Ok, great. I'm starting to use TMPEG more now, since it is faster doing a CQ encode than CCE is doing a 3pass encode :) but just need a bit of advice. Is the Grip resizer the best to use and what filters would I use to increase compressability the most ,DCTfilter, Mergcroma .....? without slowing the process down to much and not decreasing videoquality? Plus if I was to go to Avisynth 2.5.1 instead of 2.0.7 would I get a speed increase with TMPEG?
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Ok, after some testing, looks like the lower res is the way to go for a one cd encode. I'm testing with Dragon Fighter - 90min - NTSC interlaced. When using the KVCD3 >528x480 template I would need to use a CQ value of 53 which is unacceptable quality but when using 352X480 I can use a CQ value of 70 which looks good :) If I was going with a two cd encode then I would use KVCD3 because then the encoder would have enough bitrate to play with.
Oh, yeah, about the AVISYNTH version, I'm using 2.08 for now because I run into all sorts of problems with Moviestacker, ToK and DVD2SVCD with version 2.51 P.S. the encode took 16hrs w/CCE 3 pass and took 7hrs with TMPEG on a AMD 1000. That's using Bicubic, de-interlaceing, Fluxsmooth and Blockbuster. The TMPEG encode looks better. |
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would you agree with the above statements?
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I should have been more specific :D -kwag |
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