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Hi everyone :lol: :lol:

I thought it was time for me to post my first kdvd sample, being
that it was long over due. I hope it lives up to some of your expectations.
Kwag.. if you're reading.. sorry for the LONG delay in sharing these.

Sample #
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7 - 2ndpc.redplanet.cq(74.72x2000x518).ave909.m2v
6 - matrix.mpg.sample.21min.cq(39.86).rar
5 - 1.061403.a.01a03g(duce).(704x480).cq(60x2500x0300x 0x0).rar
4 - N/A - divx.5.02.sci-fi.01.rar
3 - N/A - (kdvd-352x480-half-d1).(osprey-210).mtb.punkd.mpg
2 - N/A - (kdvd-352x480-half-d1).(osprey-210).tmobil.phones.mpg
1 - N/A - kdvd.352x480.half.d1.sable-torrie.rar

PowerDVD users:
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To play my 16x9 encodes videos in the way they were intented to be played
under powerdvd, please apply the follow settings:

4:3 Pan&Scan Screen:
[Change to 1024 x 768]
[x] Ask me before change
-- -- -- --
16:9 Widescreen:
[Change to 1024 x 768]
[ ] Ask me before change
-- -- -- --
Screen Control:
[ ] Run full screen
[x] Keep screen aspect ratio

Note, all other SW players will play incorrectly, and result in 4:3 view.
Fullscreen view in SW players ie, WinDVD incorrectly displays 16x9 encoded
videos. Only True DVD disks w/ 16x9 are played properly in WinDVD.

-vhelp

The sample ( and the two samples :mrgreen: ) looks great :wink:

-kwag

I have U/L'ed my 2nd Sample kvcd clip.

This latest sample clip is based on my NEW Osprey-210 analog capture card,
by ViewCast. Read HERE for more info. So far, it's an awsome card, though it's based
on an A/D 8 bits and Conexant 878A chip. So far, doesn't seem to drop
any frames, and actually captures TRUE frame (based on final quality I have observed
so far)

After looking at the clip in PDVD, and looking so good, I was fooled into beleaving
that it was a 720x480 encode by mistake he he.. but it's not. Well, in my eyes
anyways :wink:

Another one is on the way - an based on Interlaced origin. But, maybe tomorrow, I'll
U/L it. Then, maybe, I'll do some VHS samples, PICs etc. maybe.

Enjoy for now.
-vhelp

That sample #2 looks REALLY good :D
Are you using the drivers that came with the card, or are you using btwincap :?:

-kwag

Hi Kwag..

I got caught up in the MTV Modona special this evening and did a bunch of caps w/ my new toy (card, he he) and then I took a nap.. work is just too
demanding these days, you know ? Anyways..

>> That sample #2 looks REALLY good
Thank you. (still experimenting)

>> Are you using the drivers that came with the card, or are you using btwincap

Actually, yes. I"m using the drivers that came w/ the device, v1.37 I think.
I'm running the card under W98 Gold, not the Win98 SE. I also used
AVI_IO as the capture app, but so far, in the short time I've spent w/ it,
I've only used the BTYUV mode with the caps I done so far.. including the
one you D/L'ed :D

Also, the driver I'm using is VFW based. Not WDM.

Yeah.. I got the card up and running in know time. Drivers installed rather
quickly too. (there's an order to these things - - course, you already know
that)

If you are still curious, I'm gonna try and squeeze in another sample.. Like
I woudn't, hah !! But, I still haven't tested VHS yet. So, we'll see.

-kwag

Sample #3

Here's my other sample clip I promised yesterday.. check it out if you like.
I don't know.. I think it looks pretty good to me. - - (LINK is on top of page 1) :lol: :lol:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif

have a good night
-vhelp

Hey vhelp,

You have a hell of a clean satellite system :D
That sample is one of the best I've seen :!:
I wish my 4DTV would look like that :roll:

Edit: Not to mention that your sample is a 29.97fps "video" sample (not FILM), so it would have looked even better if it was a real FILM, captured and then IVTC'ed and encoded at 23.976. How about a sample like that, maybe from a movie :idea:

-kwag

where did you capture that mtv from? i got cable and my captures always come out with lots of noise.

You should see MY 4DTV captures. They look like crap! The 4DTV channels are a mess. Only some high power analog transponders look any good, but nothing like the sample that vhelp posted :?
Im seriously thinking on getting a new receiver :!:

@vhelp,
Was that capture done via S-Video or Composite :?:

Note: That sample is less than 12MB in size, and it's almost one minute long. So that means it would fit ~360 minutes (6 hours) on one DVD at that quality :mrgreen:
Not bad for being a 29.97fps encode :lol:

-kwag

Hi Kway..

Not quite.. I'm not sure yet, but it would seem that my Osprey-210 is
bringing me much richer/vibrant color than my ADVC-100, but I would have
ta do some testing on that - cause, it could be just my eyes 8O

Thanks again. DirecTV is what I have right now. I used S-Video connects
to the card. Listen, do me a favor, check out Punk'd on MTV. It's
on for the next ~2 hours. I ask, becaues it's in very good quality. It's all
in the source, and who is airing it (most sources are tainted or bitrate
starved, though I don't understand that factor in louzy quality)
MTV, BET, CBT, VH1, MTV-2 and BET are always in great quality. But, ine one
clip I did, I found that one of the videos' was actaully black-bared, cause
they didn't do a good job.. they left the top viewable 8O

Kwag, I don't have any Movie Channels. Didn't want the added $$
to my monthly. I already just upgraded my account to the next level, no
thanks to DirectTV cutting out channels ie, Sci-Fi and TNN for starters.
I had decided (was gonna do it anyways) to step up, cause I mainly wanted
don't laugh.. 8O TVLand 8O cause I wanted Batman (to figure
out HOW to de-SCREWA-lace their source. It's pretty screwed up.. the
telecining process that is. But, you gotta see the quality they are airing it
on TVLND. I was happy even with 352x480 captures. Anyways, I'm gonna
try it w/ my new card he he..

conquest10..
I'm glad you ased - - see above. Applies to you too.

kwag..
we're in tuned, exactly !!

hay, Kwag.. (and others) set your capture to MTV. They are doing
Punk'd on Osborns daughter. It's a repeat, and I recall the quality
very good. I'll do the same, and you can compare your's to mine ??
Good idea ?

Thanks all for your response.
-vhelp

It has to be my receiver. See, the way it works, is I get the "first" generation, because I'm on C-band ( Big Dish 10 feet ).
So DirectTV receives the C-Band transmissions, demodulates them, recompresses them, and re-transmits on DirectTV KU Band. So DirectTV is a "third" generation signal, which in theory, has to be worse than the primary C-Band signal which is what I receive. So definitively my receiver is flaked up :roll:

BTW: Are you aware that DirectTV limits their MPEG-2 DVB broadcast resolutions to 480x480 :?:

-kwag

Kwag..

Well, sort of.. But, I figure it like this.. IF quality is excellent, then
the sharpness and overall quality (from a capture and encode) will not suffer.
Like, it will be as if you were doing a re-encode from a DVD rip of someone
else's RIP to Encode ie, SVCD. But, assuming they did it perfect.

As for Satellite and quality, I do see artifacts in their MPEG-2's and as
such, I live with it, and factor that into my final MPEG quality analisys.

Interlace..
What makes Interlaced encodes poor in quality, is the way the user applies
a de-Interlace method. Please believe guys, there are lots of various forms
of Interlacing sources, and that explains the reasons why one clip will look
great, while another one will look bad. Plus, their station airing the source.
Is it bad (due to the Interlace) etc. So many things to consider. I have
found that you have (MUST) come up with more than one form of de-Interlace
method. And, lable them so that you can track them per source materials.
I'm still working on a number of de-Interlace method.

-vhelp

that's a good idea. i just did a little one minute sample. its like 13 mb. where can i upload it?

@vhelp,

What filter chain did you use for those samples in avisynth :?:

-kwag

Wish I could help, but I'm currently close to my file size limit, and I have to start erasing samples :roll:

-kwag

Kwag..
don't laugh, but none. I was trying to test my new card rather quickly, and
found myself working more on the de-Interlacing. As you know, they are a great
pain in the butt. As I posted earlier, that not all de-Interlacing methods
are (or act) the same. ie, I was desapointed at another clip I did, using
the same method. So, that's why you have to have various methods, and to
lable them, so you can better easily apply them to various encodes :wink:
As I do each new TV show, I keep a record of the form factor Example:
* Interlace; progressive; IVTC or B-IVTC

I'd love to try some filters that I haven't ben able to try yet. Being that
I'm still useing AVIsynthv1 Beta 5 LOL. But, I might install it on
my 2nd pc w/ my new capture card :wink: and keep the old version here
on my first pc. I don't know, we'll see. Just that things are working on
both pc's w/out issues, and I'd hate to disrupt that 8O

Edited by vhelp for content.. snip snip..a got off track of
my own thread.. snip snip.. :lol: :lol:

so much more to say, but so little time.. ah, but the fun of it all..
-vhelp

Sorry about the other post. I wanted to change some things around and
posted two posts too quickly. It's deleted now. It's very late for me, as
you can see. Anyways..

Well, I'm heading for bed. It there are typos in above post, so be it. I'm
too tired to bother :(

I'm heading for bed. See you all tomorrow.
-vhelp

- #4 -

hi all.

Here's a sample capture and encode to divx 5.02, from the Sci-Fi channel.
I was surfing the channels and this happen to catch my eye (and ears)
and I coudn't resist.

See page 1 for LINK.
-vhelp

Sample #5

I'm U/L'ed a sample clip I did early this week, since it's small enough.

For optimum viewing quality:
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Please remember to view it ONLY w/ PowerDVD and set under Configure(Ctrl+C) under Screen and Video tab, the following:
When the above is set, you will have correct 16:9 viewng in both the
normal window view and FullScreen window view - correctly. Weather your
source is DVD media, or your own MPEG-2 encodes.

Warning:
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* Note, if any other software player is used ie, WinDVD, it will not play
...the movie in correct 16:9 AR and will also add lots of NOISE/BLOCKS.
* Also, based on my experience, these apps do not have good AR viewing,
...as they seem to be ment only for 4:3 Aspect Ratio's, and will stretch
...the Height incorrectly, when making your own MPEG-2 16:9 encodes.. which
...adds noise/blocks, giving you the wrong impression of the encode.

Sample clip is at top of Page 1 (this page)

Enjoy the sample, and as always, feel free to comment.
-vhelp

Hi vhelp,

That sample looks great :D
BTW, what movie is that :?:

-kwag

Nice quality,,
on my powerdvd 5 , it was kinda blocky on some spots...

movie is: Deuce Bigalow, Male Gigolo
i think....

Thanks for the name zoot :)
But it's pretty good for a capture.
That's not a DVD rip :!:

-kwag

oh ya,, i agree,,,

thanx for the coolling/mod forum
:lol:

ztr

@ all.. TGIF.

@ Kwag..

I'm Sorry.. I did not properly label the source !
I'll revise that post for Sample #5 :wink:

If you think anything else should go w/ the above list,
please advise. Thanks.

Ok, now for some explainig below..

@ zooter..

Hi, I'm not sure whats going on w/ PDVD v5.0 but my guess is either:
* they made some changes to their MPEG-2 codec (assuming that they
...supply one w/ every D/L) or,
* you are using a completely different MPEG-2 codec (perhaps that you
...are not aware of) Elicard perhaps ?? and forgot ??
* Also, they may have done some cosmetic changes to some of their
...routines.
* The color table may be off in that version, OR, you don't have it
...set to "0" that is.. (ctrl+C) Video tab, and make sure your Dark="0"
...note, WDVD v3.0 color is set to "8" that is.. (you press "+" key till
...its Dark level is MAXed bright, then you press "-" key, 8 times, and
...this will equal PDVD v3.0's Dark="0" color level)
...Note, in WDVD v3.0, the "-" and "+" changes Dark levels, and keeping my
...WDVD v3.0 at "8" matches PDVD v3.0's Dark="0". If you are going to be
...bouncing around between each app, you all need to know this, to keep
...things in synch.
* codec.. your graphics card driver/codec could be off. At one point in
...my trials w/ quality viewing under PDVD v3.0, I had to adjust my Dark
...to +3 then, one day, I had to re-install my graphics card driver, and
...to my surprise, my Dark levels went down to "0" instead. so, this
...could be something to look into as well. You see, when your Dark level
...is too high, you get un-even artifacts during play, and couple that w/
...incorrect AR stretching, and you could be in for a surprise, and even
...re-adjusting your encoding (all for nothing) when all it takes is to
...observe the above issues w/ care.


A note on Aspect Ratios...
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Whenever you make any MPEG-2 encodes of 16:9, the level of correct Widescreen
will largely depend on your encoding of 16:9 ie, Fullscreen vs. Fullscreen (keep AR)
vs. 16:9 525 line vs. 4:3 525 lines vs whatever else there is in TMPG.
So, HOW do you test weather or not you have the correct AR in an MPEG-2
encode ?? Good question.. unfortunately, I do not have any definate
answers (or guides) just yet. I do know that it takes trial and error.
Now, given the above, WDVD will ultimately give the wrong AR. An example
of this is my recent Sample #5 clip. WDVD v3.0 displays it in Fullscreen mode,
while PDVD v3.0 in Widescreen (fullscreen or normal screen)
Now, you could fake a wide screen (the chickens way) buy just encoding w/
a 4:3 AR and adding in the boarders. But, the only problem w/ this is that
on a TRUE widescreen tv, it will not stretch it properly because you encoded
to a 4:3 AR and basically destoyed the actual 16:9 AR (this from a friend
who has a widescreen tv set) But, at least for 4:3 tvs, it will play fine.
Also, MPEG-1 doesn't have support for 16:9, that's why you see 4:3 widescreen
clips. Of course, there are other reason (or benefits) for encoding to a
4:3 AR w/ MPEG-1 clips.

Now, as far as the Sample #5 clip, I did not have the chance to burn it
to CD, so I can test/verifty the quality, AND, what you stated during your
PDVD v5.0 experience. Now, I'm curious, and I have to run this test. I do
know that on my LCD screen (which is VERY picky w/ blocks and color artifacts)
that it's easy to spot these out and make the necessary adjustments, though
a bit painful at times.. but I have a system that seems to work for me, and
is fairly quick.. so it's deffinately worth it.

The above is my experinece, and its taken me a while to come to this point.
So, I'm shareing w/ you, some of my wisdom of trial and tribulation w/
video analisis.


@ zooter..

Can you get me a few snap-shots of some "pics" of those images in PDVD
so I can see what you are. I really don't see what you are seeing. From
my point of view, my video is clean and no blocks, unless I look closely
at the screen and look for them. Mind you, I'm assumg that you are seeing
some bad areas, and what I want to do is verify that it may all be on your
end instead (when you apply the above to your scenario) thats all :)
On ther other hand, it could just be a matter of you haivng a different
pc system that is more sensitive to certain things, and that's ok. What
will count is when I burn the clip to CD and view on my TV. If I see a lot
of issues, then I know something is wrong. Only a final test will tell.
In any case, I will keep your notes on my clips under advisement :) and
work some more on them. In fact, that is what I'm doing now hehe..
Hay, don't forget, I encoded it w/ a low CQ=60. I'm even lowing it to a
mear CQ=50 now, but this time, I'm painstakenly perfecting the MA script w/
this clip, so there's some excuse here, plus, i'm using a higher res too.

I hope to see more of your comments on my samples !!


@ Kwag..

I do hope that BY NOW, you've gotten yourself the "Deuce Bigalow" disk.
Once I get his "The Chic" movie, I'll have my 3thriligy set.. unless he decides
to do another Movie.. I'll go for a 4riligy then, hehe..

Thanks everyone.
-vhelp

Sample # 6

Sorry, this one's late in the posting here.. I forgot!!
Note, it's just a low bitrate test sample based off of a CQM topic discussion:
* http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5221&start=96

-vhelp

Sample # 7

Above is a sample clip, from a discussion on another topic thread CQMatic.

-vhelp