What means K in KVCD?
 

That's my question what it mean K.

Encoder Master

If you look around these forums you'll notice a lot of posts by kwag, the creator of KVCD, so I would assume it means:
Kwag's Video CD. :)

Thanks for your answer

Encoder Master

The "K" is for "Kwag" or "King" of VCD, which is also Kwag! :yippie:

You call yourself Encoder Master and you don't know that?!?!

Shame on you! :D

I don't know it because Kwg isn't very good and popular.
I'm the best and I was also interested in newcomers

Encoder Master

Kwag isn't very good? Have a look at some of the results we've got here! All thanks to kwag's work! And then you say hes not very good?! :angryfire:

And not very popular?!? I think you'll find that the majority of people into encoding have heard about KVCD, and just look at the amount of people on this forum!! :lol: :lol:


You're the best? :roll:
a) You really dont seem to know anything about advanced encoding, just load your "CVCD" template, adjust the average bitrate and click Go!
b) You call your template CVCD, although it's just another XVCD template using 2-pass VBR and a lowered audio quality. Unlike KVCD, which has an optimized GOP, matrix and resolution, and uses CQ.

Sounds like you're the newcomer to me.... :roll: :lol:

First my 2pass AdvanceVCD Templates are better than the CQ because this feature does't show all frames I've test it with 25fps and also my friend said it. Only 24,5. With 2pass isn't it and my matrix is also selfmade and better than KVCD. Because I don't use the same Matrix.
80min default matrix and also 90 min 100 bis 150 min my 3 different matrixes. And it's my experience that I've better Movies as KVCD.
But that's what I think.
120min on one 800MB CD-r is a little bit better than the standart VCD.
And if the sound isn't very good at 128kbps then I take the AC-3 sound and muxed it.
Perfect.

Like I said before I think so. An I don't want to manipulate the people on this board.

Encoder Master

How could this be true? That means the movie would slow down very slightly, unless you mean it just loses half a frame...I dont see how you can even have half a frame....

But then it wouldn't fit on one CD-R would it!? And using the KVCD method 112 kbps is always great quality!

But anyway, I dont want to start a flame war. Any ideas where I could download your templates and try them out for myself? :)
If the result is better than KVCD, I'll believe you.

if you like I send you my 80min on 700MB 100min and 120min.
It's only experience but open a CQ Movie with Windows Media Player 6,4
The older version. And then on proberties I think and the double click on the VideoRender and you see it . 25fps it's between 24,5 and 24,9
so I choose 2pass but it's your choise.
Can you say me your E-Mail and I send the Templates to You?

Encoder Master

P.S.:The GOP is default because I've never problems with this feature.

Oh yet another question. Can you tell how can I you the Movie Stacker when I save the AVS there's only one Sentence It's always the same.

And are the results better them Normal?

Encoder Master

This guy is cracking me up, sorry :lol:

Do you really think WMP 6.4 is a good tool to check if the framerate of a movie is correct? It's not possible that CQ mode takes away half a frame from a video stream. :wink:
We have proven it many times that CQ beats TMPGEnc's 2-pass-VBR.

BtW: what resolution do you use in your templates?

Not only the Windows media player show this also a lot of friends say it.
I often use 352x288 and sometimes 352x576 or 480x576. But the best quality is with 352x288 or 352x240

Encoder Master

And how would they find out?


At the loss of a lot of sharpness!


Man, you continue to refer to yourself as the Encoder Master but appear to have no knowledge of certain encoding-related things..like frameserving!

You're supposed to use the checkboxes to select the filters that you want to use. Read some of the stuff at the Optimal Scripts and AviSynth forums.


Much better. :wink:


Anyway, send me those templates, and I'll compare them myself.
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PyRoMaNiA, why do you encourage this guy? Some newbie's going to read this guy's sh!t and believe he really is an "Encoder Master" rather than a "Master Bater"! He takes some basic settings on TMPEG, ups the bitrate, runs it thru 2 pass, and thinks he's doing something! I have been using the KVCD templates for months with a few modifications, and my customers have been thrilled with the quality! I have posted messages thanking Kwag for all of his hard work, and now we have this flamer talking crap who doesn't even know how to use video filters!

Your are jealous.
First as I was on this board I've thought here cool people there're nice and.... But guys like I'm laughing about.

I don't know, I just like testing things... :? ...although I very much doubt these templates are anything better than KVCD, but I'll try to keep an open mind anyway.

@"Encoder Master"
Wow, 8O thats a big selection of Q-matrices...although they look a bit basic to me compared to the KVCD Notch. I compared the AVCD 120 minute NTSC template to the KVCDx2 352x240 NTSC and KVCDx2 352x480 NTSC templates, as they are both rated at 120 minutes average.


But based on my results.... no offence meant but your templates do suck :roll: ....120 minutes a CD better than VCD quality? Doesn't look like it to me...standard VCD would look nicer. Mosquitos all over the place, the KVCD 352x240 version was much cleaner. The 352x480 encode I did looked a bit sharper at least, and in most places looked better than the AVCD one, there were a few more DCT blocks because of the higher res though...but I would still favour it over the AVCD version.

I tried to make it a fair test, so I made sure all the files were around 1.03MBs, as the AVCD one was. The default settings on the KVCD templates still looked quite a bit better than AVCD......I only raised the CQ to try and make it a fairer test...I used the same AviSynth script on all tests, although it seems to me that you never used an AVS script with your AVCD templates before, but the KVCD versions were still superior.
Did you actually try the KVCD templates yourself? I recomend you do.


If you want to stick with your AVCD thats fine with me, but I think I'll carry on using KVCD, as I have been. :wink:

Oh no problem.
But I use AVCD because I'm from Germany and we say
"Was der Bauer nicht kennt isst er nicht!"

But the conversation about KVCD and AVCD are very nice.

Encoder Master

This sentence applies exactly to you. I am sure u never tried KVCD as you don't know how to use Avisynth at all.
I am from Germany too. As MVCD is used to be the best template in Germany i tried it. You are like the MVCD guys... always talking about that all the templates you made r better than KVCD but never tried them.
http://www.kvcd.net/samples
go ahead.

Wer macht das nicht.
Here one example

http://www.redcomet.de/forum/viewtop...c16dd85e460c24

125min on one CD-R in top Quality

Encoder Master

Hmm thats at the MoleVCD forums...... :x

You do know that Mole's templates came from KVCD yeah?

Here's where they came from. :wink:

PyRoMaNiA, I've read many of your posts, and you seem like a sensible guy. Keeping an open mind about new things is good, but "Encoder Master" has not proven to anyone that his templates are an improvement over KVCD, as they are only mild modifications to the standard TMPEG templates. Kwag has provided us with a whole new matrix, and only asks for a little credit, when he deserves our repsect! I've very sure if "Encoder Master" were to get into a real discussion about encoding and matrixes with Kwag, he would not be able to keep up.

"Encoder Master", why would I be jealous of you? I have many customers in Germany for my VCD's, and they say they are some of the best quality they have ever seen! I tell them I use the KVCD matrix! Two to three hours plus of great quality video on a single disc! You come on this forum and flame on about KVCD, talking about how great your templates are, but you present nothing. Read the posts, learn about KVCD, use it, and then come back when you have something to add. A name like "Encoder Master" shows you have something lacking anyway. I bet you drive around Germany in a fancy red sports car to make up for what you lack in other areas also...

Warum versuchen Sie, dieses Forum mit Ihrem Müll zu flammen? Das wissen mehr Sie, sie mehr Sie Sie nicht sagen beweisen, was Sie ungefähr reden. Wenn Sie Leute wollen, offen zu Ihren Ideen zu sein, überreicht sie in gewisser Hinsicht, der andere offen sein werden, zuzuhören.

*LOL* :flip: ... rofl... this is really a good one... because it dosn't maky any sence.... :encore:

I think you're a sensible guy.

The samples are good but the bitrate is to high. So no 120min Movie going on one CD

Aber ist mir auch egal ich schreib hier auch nicht mehr rein.

Wünsche euch noch ein schönes Leben

Have a nice Life

Encoder Master

That's what I get for using freetranslation.com LOL!

What I was trying to say to "Encoder Master" was, Why do you try to flame this forum with your garbage? The more you say, the more you show you do not know what you are talking about. If you want people to be open to your ideas, submit them in a way that others will be open to listen.

Really :!: An AC3 file is ~300-400MB in size. So then your movie is only ~400MB :!: HAHA! What kind of quality can you expect on a 2 hour movie encoded in 400MB :mrgreen:
Not to mention that Not a single player will play AC3 audio when it's playing a (X)VCD.
Please, take this nonesense some other place right now, as you're misleading some (new) users. I hope I don't see more of this type of incorrect and nonsense comments again.

-kwag

WOW, I can't believe what I'm reading :lol:
This thread is amusing :mrgreen:
Give me more :!: ROTF

-kwag

Kwag, if you're ever in NY, drop me a line and we'll go out for drinks. "Encoder Master" is a hoot! :drink:

@Encoder Master...

From a favorite movie...

"Listen for the pop."

"What?"

"You need to listen for the pop."

"What the hell does that mean?"

"It's the sound you'll hear when you finally pull your head out of your ass."

.
.
Uhmm with Jellygoos on this one. This is a fun, fun thread w/ lots
of laughs. ohh, don't delete this one Kwag - it's a winner so far.

But, please don't flame each other, guys.

Be happy.
-vhelp

Hey did you all know that the original AVCD templates have the DEFAULT TMPGEnc matrix :P so much for the High Optimise Notch matrix. Here you go:


object TMPEGConfigFile
MPEG.Text = 'AVCD NTSC'
MPEG.Description = ''
MPEG.OutputStreamType = MPEG_OutputStreamType_System_VideoAudio
MPEG.OutputStreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.StreamType = MPEGVideoEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1
MPEG.Video.StreamType_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.Width = 720
MPEG.Video.Width_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.Height = 480
MPEG.Video.Height_ReadOnly = True
MPEG.Video.YUVFormat = 1
MPEG.Video.YUVFormat_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DC_prec = 1
MPEG.Video.DC_prec_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_VideoEncodeMode_Progressive
MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.FrameRate = 4
MPEG.Video.FrameRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.AspectRatio = 2
MPEG.Video.AspectRatio_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.RateControlMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_RateControlMode_CQ
MPEG.Video.RateControlMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate = 9800000
MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.MinBitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.CBR_BitRate = 3000000
MPEG.Video.VBR_AvgBitRate = 5000000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxBitRate = 9000000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxPassCount = 2
MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.VBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.MVBR_MaxBitRate = 9000000
MPEG.Video.MVBR_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.MVBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.AVBR_Quality = 60
MPEG.Video.AVBR_MaxBitRate = 7500000
MPEG.Video.AVBR_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.AVBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality = 68
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.CQ_MaxBitRate = 2600000
MPEG.Video.CQ_MinBitRate = 200000
MPEG.Video.CQ_EnablePadding = True
MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize = 49152
MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval = 1
MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount = 1
MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount = 12
MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount = 1
MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount = 0
MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Profile = 4
MPEG.Video.Profile_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Level = 8
MPEG.Video.Level_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.VideoFormat = 2
MPEG.Video.VideoFormat_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth = 0
MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight = 0
MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MotionSearchSpeed = MPEGVideoEncoder_MotionSearchSpeed_Normal
MPEG.Video.MotionSearch_AlwaysHalfPel = False
MPEG.Video.UseFloatDCT = True
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMode = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_Intra = 6
MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_NonIntra = 8
MPEG.Video.YUVBasicYCbCr = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra = {
081013161A1B1D22101016181B1D222513161A1B1D22222616 161A1B1D222528
161A1B1D202328301A1B1D202328303A1A1B1D22262E38451B 1D23262E384553}
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra = {
10111213141516171112131415161718121314151617181913 14151617181A1B
14151617191A1B1C151617181A1B1C1E1617181A1B1C1E1F17 18191B1C1E1F21}
MPEG.Audio.StreamType = MPEGAudioEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_Layer2
MPEG.Audio.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency = 44100
MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode = 1
MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CantUseMono = False
MPEG.Audio.BitRate = 128000
MPEG.Audio.BitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC = False
MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType = 0
MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.System.StreamType = MPEGSystemEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_VideoCD_Illegal
MPEG.System.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.System.CommentText = ''
MPEG.System.EnableCommentText = False
end

Have a nice Day Encoder Master..... :wink:

At least this guy has some sense of humor...
"Your are jealous." <-- This one made me laugh! :mrgreen:

Some News about Mr.Perfect "Encoder Master".

Unfortunately he left us and is now a Member of the MVCD Forum :lol:

I just cannot believe, that such a "omniscient User left us :D

Now,MVCD didn't only stole Kwag's best Matrix, they even stole Kwag's best user :D

Have a look...

http://www.redcomet.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9023#9023

I'm not going because MVCD has stole me because the Guys around here.

Encoder Master

You have to admit that weather is goog or bad they do talk about KCD in other forums, it must be because they send their spys to come and ask questions and steel ideas and then they give credit to them self. Why not give Credit to who really diserve it? The info. is here to be shared, is there no such thing as decense any more? :roll:

no. a lot of people just love strealing ideas and taking all the credit.

Well I guess it's true. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen...