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telemike 04-19-2003 08:50 AM

KVCD: GOP structure for 29.97 fps NTSC ?
 
Does the KVCD GOP (1-24-12-24) WORK WELL WITH 29.97 FPS ntsc?

kwag 04-19-2003 09:49 AM

Re: GOP structure for 29.97 fps NTSC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by telemike
Does the KVCD GOP (1-24-12-24) WORK WELL WITH 29.97 FPS ntsc?

You might want to try 1-30-2-1-30 just for the hell of it :wink:
Remember to adjust the file prediction formula to take 30 frames per sample instead of 24 :!:

-kwag

jshew 04-20-2003 04:44 AM

To adjust the file prediction formula, do you mean in Moviestacker, for instance, to change the line that reads: Sampler(length=24) - change the 24 to 30?

Jellygoose 04-20-2003 05:53 AM

Yes that's what you have to do if you want an accurate prediction. I haven't tried if prediction is still that accurate at this framerate! however, give it a go!

telemike 04-20-2003 02:05 PM

what about prediction with ToK?

kwag 04-20-2003 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telemike
what about prediction with ToK?

ToK does it automagically :D
Make sure you check "Auto", and it will adjust the GOP and the frames size for the samples 8)

-kwag

telemike 04-21-2003 06:05 AM

I tried a GOP of 1-15-2-15 on a 29.97 fps tv capture and it played fine. Played ok on my dvd player.

I think standard TMPGenc GOP is 1-5-2-15

jorel 04-21-2003 07:03 PM

Re: GOP structure for 29.97 fps NTSC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
Quote:

Originally Posted by telemike
Does the KVCD GOP (1-24-12-24) WORK WELL WITH 29.97 FPS ntsc?

You might want to try 1-30-2-1-30 just for the hell of it :wink:
Remember to adjust the file prediction formula to take 30 frames per sample instead of 24 :!:

-kwag

thanks to you Kwag and all here,this is a really important thread!!
:D

using ToK 0053 Auto GOP,

1,5823,2,1,30.... in:

Resolution (fps):480x480 (29,970 fps)
Total Frames: 56420
Total Time : 00:31:23

change or live the 5823??? :? :?
what i do?

thanks in advance!!!
:)

kwag 04-21-2003 07:15 PM

Re: GOP structure for 29.97 fps NTSC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel
using ToK 0053 Auto GOP,

1,5823,2,1,30.... in:

Resolution (fps):480x480 (29,970 fps)
Total Frames: 56420
Total Time : 00:31:23

change or live the 5823??? :? :?
what i do?

You can leave it set to 5823. The MAX number of frames per GOP is always ruled by the last number. 30 in your case.

-kwag

jorel 04-21-2003 08:05 PM

:wink:
as i wrote thousands times before my friend,
you have to create a special thread for "thanks"....
like this;

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...some like this :!:

:wink:

AgNa 04-25-2003 01:07 PM

Is this really needed?? I mean I do a couple of KVCD at 29fps but I didn`t change the /24 vaule in the rpediction formula? I admit the file sometimes was a little bit big but nothig exagerated?


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