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Big2hd 12-25-2003 06:30 PM

Help using Avalon's Guide: How to encode a SVCD 2-Disc Movie?
 
Ok so I finally found the guide i need to cnvert my 2 part svcd. I'm following "Avalon's Guide: How to encode a SVCD-2-Disc-Movie as a single KVCD" but I had 2 problems:

After doing a level 10 on a ifo made by tmpeg dvd author, how do you "do again or encode in kvcd" the .vob made by dvdshrink. Cause when i try to open it in Mpeg tools in tmpeg it doesn't reconize the .vob in my folder.(even when i pick all files).

In other words my .vob is too big and I need to "shrink again" lol.

Thx in advance, And have a safe and Happy holidays all :wink:

Dialhot 12-25-2003 06:54 PM

A vob is opened in avisynth via a d2v project made by DVD2AVI.

Load the vob in DVD2AVi and save the d2v, then use "mpeg2source" in your avs script.

Big2hd 12-25-2003 08:17 PM

:?: Ahh Dialhot, ounce again dialhot we are on two completely differrent pages.

So again, According to " Avalon's Guide: How to encode a SVCD-2-Disc-Movie as a single KVCD" it states that after a level 10 compression of .ifo file and it is not half of the size of the cd (700/2=350) you have to do the process over again or encode kvcd.

I want to know how do you do that with the .vob I have just made that is way too big fit on 1 cd(size altogether is 1.14 gb after i mux the a/v together.) Hope this clarifies things thx in advance :)

Dialhot 12-25-2003 08:22 PM

"to do the process over" means nothing, as a lot of things in Avalon guides.
Using DVDshrink is the stupidiest think I ever read. But if you want you can restart from the original mpeg2 and use an other level of compression. It's the only way to obtain a vob that is not "too big". But the results will stink.

My advice : never use Avalon's guide.

It's simple to do a KVCD from the 2 original mpeg2 of your SVCD. Just have to load them in DVD2AVI and save the d2v project, then do a KVCD as always.

Big2hd 12-25-2003 09:34 PM

:lol: OH ok that's little better explanation, thx dialhot your da man :D

I'll let you know if success or not :wink:

Big2hd 12-29-2003 07:47 PM

Go Figure Another Program(dv2avi) it is not working, this is where I'm at:

Btw Files are already in .mpg format, click open(all files) then i choose all 2 parts.

After that just alot of not responding's and crashes(pretty much every button I push), pls help or better yet a better way to make a 2 disc (s)vcd into 1 kvcd that does not invole using dvd2avi that would sooooo great :lol:

Thx In Advance!

Dialhot 12-29-2003 08:52 PM

Man you need DVD2AVI for EVERY work here. That's the first tool we use to make KVCD. The only exception is for making avi->kvcd work.

You must find why your DVD2AVI crashes else you won't go further in KVCD wonderfull world :-)

What is you DVD2AVI version ?

Big2hd 12-29-2003 09:32 PM

The version is 1.77.3(i don't know the version of the one with dvd2svcd, but same result anyways).

And it's more of no responding thing than crashing

Quote:

Man you need DVD2AVI for EVERY work here. That's the first tool we use to make KVCD. The only exception is for making avi->kvcd work
.

I don't know as much as you on subject but i'm positive there is another doing this(problem is finding author"Avalon" of the other method), but at the same time i'm willing to learn anyway as long as it gets to point b.

Quote:

you do not need to post this message three time to obtain an answer ! See my answer there and stop all aother threads on the subject please.
Uh.. kinda do(2 to be exact) cause i either different or wierd cryptic answer of my question(3rd post was my bad, i didn't know you had dvd2avi specific forum.)

Might be i don't know how to make .d2v project cause it always works with my dvd2svd i think.

Thx In Advance :wink:

Dialhot 12-29-2003 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big2hd
I don't know as much as you on subject but i'm positive there is another doing this(problem is finding author"Avalon" of the other method), but at the same time i'm willing to learn anyway as long as it gets to point b.

The one using DVDShrink ? This method is crappy. Period. I can give you a lot of other methods with such poor results. Davideo for instance is an all in one tool taht can do what you want but you will trash the final video as soon as you will see it :-)

Just to tell you : Avalon did a lot of guide (in very short time) but he did that after having discovered KVCD since a few days ! I do not understand how people can decide to make guide about something they do not know.
BTW, these guides are good for one thing : they are well designed and well done.

But it does not solve your problem with DVD2AVI :-)

1.77.3 ? I guess it should work. What do you call "not responding" ? I think that we should first try to undestand that.

Quote:

Uh.. kinda do(2 to be exact) cause i either different or wierd cryptic answer of my question(3rd post was my bad, i didn't know you had dvd2avi specific forum.)
The problem is that your problem is not really tied to DVD2AVI but to work you want to do. So you should explain ALL the problem on the DVD2AVI forum in order to be sure taht people know what is involved there. And you will recognize it's useless to do a copy of that present thread.

But don't be affraid : peoples generally lurk into all the forums and they answer even if you are not in the relevant one :-)

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Might be i don't know how to make .d2v project cause it always works with my dvd2svd i think.
Perhaps that's the point. In fact is simple :

- open DVD2AVI
- type F3 (LOAD)
- select all the mpeg2 you want to import
- click on OK to close the import window
- save the dv2 project.

That's all. I figure that is what you already did, no ?

Note: I use also DVD2AVI taht is delivered with D2S and it is version 1.76. Why don't you try to use it instedd of 1.77.3 ?



Thx In Advance :wink:[/quote]

Big2hd 12-29-2003 11:16 PM

lolololol, this is getting ridiculous so all i'm gonna do is tell you step by step what i'm doin and if anybody see's somethin wrong just instruct, help, holla, do what you want cause had enough with this program:

Open DVD2AVI(folder contains the following: exe,vfi,ini all with the same name-> dvd2avi)

Push f4

Open mpg file(part 1)

Open other(part2)

Push OK

Click On Audio

Check Demux All Parts

Click on Load Project(Note save project is still unclickable at this time)

Load First .mpg

Load Project Again

Load Second .mpg(Note after this save project is accessible)

Click on save project

Information Box Comes up(note not a damn thing in the info box!!)

YAY! .dv2 project saved

Open tmpeg

Browse for video source(being .d2v of course)

Click on .d2v tmpeg crashes or does not respond( or says can not support or open file when doesn't)

Btw where is this .mpa(dude probably doesn't know what he is talking about but who i'm to judge at this point) dvd2avi was suppose to make.

Dialhot 12-29-2003 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big2hd
Push f4

WHAT ??? F4 is for "Save project", not load. It's F3. Just a mistake I guess.

Quote:

Click on Load Project(Note save project is still unclickable at this time)

Load First .mpg
But "load a project" is to load an already processed D2V file ! How can you load a mpeg there ? The only choice the toll gives to you is to open a ".d2v".

Quote:

Load Second .mpg(Note after this save project is accessible)

Click on save project
Here again you are wrong : save project is available as soon as you have load a mpeg in the first step (press F3, open the 2 mpeg and click ok : taht is the first step).

Quote:

Information Box Comes up(note not a damn thing in the info box!!)
For sure : by loading a mpg insteed of a d2v you probably erased the list of mpg to process (the one you loaded in step 1 :-)).

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Click on .d2v tmpeg crashes or does not respond( or says can not support or open file when doesn't)
Because there is nothing valuable in this d2v you generated :-)

Quote:

Btw where is this .mpa(dude probably doesn't know what he is talking about but who i'm to judge at this point) dvd2avi was suppose to make.
DvD2AVI does not make anything in your case.
Vote : saving a project take some mintues to process. How long does it take in your case ?

Note : again I suggest to you to use the DVD2AVI version that is delivered with DVD2SVCD.

Big2hd 12-30-2003 12:47 AM

LOLOLOL WOW

Going through circles here(doesn't help when you're telling me I'm lying and wrong) so if anyone can help please msg me or make a half decent "2 vcd to 1 kvcd" tutorial would be much appreicated.

Dialhot you don't have to respond anymore(kind of like that anyways) thx for the input(epecially the f3 over f4 lollolol) and your efforts I will build on them as much as I can lol!!!!!

Ounce again anybody successfully done a "Multi vcd to a 1 kvcd" and can help me pls do

Thx in advance Happy Holidays All!!

Dialhot 12-30-2003 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big2hd
Ounce again anybody successfully done a "Multi vcd to a 1 kvcd" and can help me pls do

What I fear if that noone can give you a solution for that as dvd2avi is the only tool that can handle mpeg2 as input :-(

I didn't tell you but I was doing one SVCD->KVCD yesterday while I was responding to you (to be sure of what I was telling ;-))

Open DVD2AVI, F3, pick the 2 mpeg, Ok, F4 (save the D2V) then using normal procedure to make a KVCD.

The movie was ended this morning when a wake up.

No if you are convinced that my advice to use DVD2AVI 1.76 is not good, that's okay for me.

EDIT : Wait a minute !!!
Are you making SVCD -> KVCD or VCD -> KVCD :?:
This method is working for SVCD -> KVCD only :!
DVD2AVI is known to become nut when you pick MPEG1 into it
See the subject of the thread and the last request you did : they do not tell the same thing :evil:

Big2hd 12-30-2003 01:28 PM

Damn!!! why didn't i think of that(just noticed that every tutorial says mpeg2 rather than svcd).

I just d/l an svcd clip and it works in dvd2avi

I guess the easiest way to encode to mpeg-2 is tmpeg right?

Thx dialhot you've ounce again proved me wrong :lol:

Dialhot 12-30-2003 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big2hd
I guess the easiest way to encode to mpeg-2 is tmpeg right?

Yes it is :-)

Quote:

Thx dialhot you've ounce again proved me wrong :lol:
:lol: That was not the purpose :-)

So, you need to do VCD -> KVCD ? That is really simple if you know how to use avisynth.
All you have to do is to load the source like this :

Code:

a=DirectShowSource("file1.mpg",25).KillAudio()
b=DirectShowSource("file2.mpg",25).KillAudio()
a++b

The rest of the script is the same as always.

Big2hd 12-30-2003 02:49 PM

hmmm that sounds alot easier :D (even though my knowledge of avisynth is limited, I use dvd2svcd to make all my (s)kvcd's nuff said lol!), so looking at the script you just posted I would change the "file1" into the name of my file.

But you say the rest is the same? Is it script or .avs used to make a kvcd(you have to be specific with me I was dropped on head as child :lol: ) and when all that is complete do load it in tmpeg or somethin right?

Dialhot 12-30-2003 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big2hd
But you say the rest is the same? Is it script or .avs used to make a kvcd(you have to be specific with me I was dropped on head as child :lol: ) and when all that is complete do load it in tmpeg or somethin right?

AS you are doing VCD->KVCD I recommand you to use this scripts I did you AVi->KVCD.

Take it there : http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7223
(pick the last one, called "V4")

Remove the line "Avisource" and replace it with what I tell you just before. Do not change the rest of the script. Then you can use any guide talking about making avi->kvcd.

Big2hd 12-30-2003 06:57 PM

Ok I think I'm on the right side of the road no, uhh I think :)

This is the script I made with yours pretty sure it's cool:

Code:

a=DirectShowSource("obs-mra.mpg",25).KillAudio()
b=DirectShowSource("obs-mrb.mpg",25).KillAudio()
a++b
BlindPP(cpu=4)
Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max=3,variance=0.1,seed=1)
Convolution3D(1, 6, 12, 6, 8, 2.8, 0)
GripCrop(WIDTH, HEIGHT, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="LanczosResize")
Undot()
TemporalSoften(2,7,7,3,2)
DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0)
#Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max=10,variance=0.3,seed=5623)
GripBorders()

And what is not cool is I can't find but 1 freakin(I use to trip all over these guides there were so many!) tutorial for avi-->kvcd: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....light=avi+kvcd

:?: Question in that guide where do I exactly start using my .avs and .mpg files, or is that just a sucky guide?

Thx againn

Big2hd 01-06-2004 12:55 AM

k you said use 1 of the avi->kvcd tutorial to turn my to vcd files into kvcd, but where does the script come into to play(look at just all of them and none of them even use avisynth)? :cry:

Dialhot 01-06-2004 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big2hd
:?: Question in that guide where do I exactly start using my .avs and .mpg files, or is that just a sucky guide?

Your work starts in 3. In the poitn c, just load the avs insteed of the avi ('as indicated in the guide).

Quote:

look at just all of them and none of them even use avisynth)
:?:
All the scripts use avisynth. Are you asking how avisynth works or do I misunderstand you question ?

Big2hd 01-06-2004 05:35 PM

Koo1 :D so I'm not going nutz cause when I load the avs script I get a out of this world res (1096 x 56) and when I change manual and start encoding video->m1v I get I tiny file that plays absolutely nothing :cry:

I think has to something wiht my avs script

Code:

:?: Is the one I modify and posted here good:

a=DirectShowSource("obs-mra.mpg",25).KillAudio()
b=DirectShowSource("obs-mrb.mpg",25).KillAudio()
a++b
BlindPP(cpu=4)
Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max=3,variance=0.1,seed=1)
Convolution3D(1, 6, 12, 6, 8, 2.8, 0)
GripCrop(WIDTH, HEIGHT, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="LanczosResize")
Undot()
TemporalSoften(2,7,7,3,2)
DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0)
#Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max=10,variance=0.3,seed=5623)
GripBorders()

Or Should I put the the full path of folder where the files or at in the script as well?

Also does it matter where I put .avs script cause I put in the folder where the 2 files or located?

Thx again Dialhot appriecate putting up with me dog :lol:

CheronAph 01-06-2004 05:38 PM

Open your .avs with media player 6.4, it should tell you whats wrong in your script!

Dialhot 01-06-2004 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CheronAph
Open your .avs with media player 6.4, it should tell you whats wrong in your script!

Or open it with vdub that will pop up a window with the text of the error.

Big2hd 01-06-2004 06:32 PM

Ok, all it says is:

BlindPP: Work in yv12 colorspace
Path of folder below it, then it says line 4(guessing that is what line is messed up?)

So if this is problem how can I fix?

Same thing in vdub

Dialhot 01-06-2004 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big2hd
BlindPP: Work in yv12 colorspace

As you use Directshow and it will be too long to trace wich directshow filter handle the mpeg2 on your machine (in order to set it to output in YV12 and not in YUY2), just add "ConvertToYV12()" before the blindPP line.

Big2hd 01-06-2004 09:38 PM

Worked like a charm but go figure another error:

Convolution3d supports YuY2 color format only

Followed by file path line 6

Uhh.. I'm guessing that the script you gave is incomplete so maybe you can lead me in the direction of 1 that is not incomplete(so I can stop bothering you :x )

Dialhot 01-06-2004 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big2hd
Convolution3d supports YuY2 color format only

You don't have the correct version. Go to http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises/ and take the YV12 version.

Quote:

Uhh.. I'm guessing that the script you gave is incomplete so maybe you can lead me in the direction of 1 that is not incomplete(so I can stop bothering you :x )
It is not the script, it's your plugins library (and the convertToYV12 is due to your codec, and again not to the script).

Big2hd 01-08-2004 09:34 PM

Back Again(i'm not giving up after all this dude :x ), I did what you said and every look sweet!

But it crashes like after encoding about 1/2 mins of the game :cry:

I think the most obvious thing to do is to get rid of the convolution3d .dll(and keep y12 version of course), but I'm little afraid of that cause of 2 reasons:

-I couldn't make my dvd2svcd(with dvd2kvcd plugin) work properly until I replace plugins.
-If this thread proves anything, it is I know less to none then I thought I knew bout kvcd

Ounce thx for the help

Big2hd 01-10-2004 10:01 PM

Ok got rid of the old .dll 1 but it is still not working anysuggestions?

Btw my problem is when I load my .avs and encoding has started my tmpeg crashes into about 1/2 minute of working :cry:

Dialhot 01-10-2004 10:17 PM

What kind of crash ? Error message or the tool closes by itself ?

Big2hd 01-11-2004 10:35 PM

neither of them, it is more it takes 100% of cpu(and yes I close everything that is active) and the only way I can unfreeze is the close the .exe in my windows task manager.

Dialhot 01-12-2004 04:23 AM

You use directshowsource ? Do you have avs2.5.3 ?

Big2hd 01-13-2004 06:14 PM

Dialhothot you're da man dude :D :D :D ,now I just hope it fits on cd :wink:

But I have a question :?: This seems very easy way(considering if it works after encoding) to turn a multiple vcd into kvcd, is there anyway to do you this method with svcd?

:?: If not :idea: I was thinking to convert my svcd-->vcd! But I need to know if this is good idea, as far the affect on quality and playability on dvd players.

Thx In Advance, and 1nce again thx Mr. superduper genius Dialhot :D

Dialhot 01-13-2004 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big2hd
is there anyway to do you this method with svcd?

Yes of course. It's even easier as DVD2AVI can handle mpeg2 file withotu any problem (just load them as you use to load the vob of a DVD).

You can also use the directshowsource solution but I do not recommand it personally.

Quote:

:?: If not :idea: I was thinking to convert my svcd-->vcd! But I need to know if this is good idea, as far the affect on quality and playability on dvd players.
Really no gain in that, so don't lose your time :-)

Quote:

Thx In Advance, and 1nce again thx Mr. superduper genius Dialhot :D
Lol. Thank you.

WOWIEGURL 03-06-2004 09:47 PM

Can some one give me the address to Avalons guide?

Thanks


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