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nicksteel 01-24-2004 09:21 AM

Best Decomb Version?
 
What's the best version now available and the download location?

incredible 01-24-2004 10:14 AM

Download location is still warpenterprises.

My favorite in deinterlacing PAL Blockbusters if the're broadcasted field shifted (also looks interlaced)

Telecide(guide=2,post=true)

(from the decomb.dll package)

And if its real deinterlaced (documentations, station trailers etc.)

Fielddeinterlace(full=false) or
Fielddeinterlace(full=false,blend=false) (in case of no text on screen or static lines)

Even more Quality gives

Smoothdeinterlace(doublerate=true, TFF=true, blend=false).selectodd()
(also here if text or lines then blend=true).

Well theese are the PAL recommendations as you also live in PAL land.

Here the comparison:
( I just copied it from my response to Kwags NTSC 60ito24p Sticky)

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Here a little comparison of the blending in case of deinterlacing (just a part of the guide) watch the drops above right. All images here are safed in Jpeg, quality 45%
http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif

And here comes a sample where we should use blend=true (no matter if fielddeinterlace() or Smoothdeinterlace() ... as you see very fine Typo is contained which would be destroyed but her eyes do look correct.
Because the typo is static and blend=false would cause problems.
I know that Girl Sonja from the station Pro7 does have everything a man really wants ;-)

http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/error.gif

nicksteel 01-24-2004 11:25 AM

Sorry, Incredible. Just added location. (Texas, so not PAL).

Thanks,

kwag 01-24-2004 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incredible
I know that Girl Sonja from the station Pro7 does have everything a man really wants ;-)

Yeah :!:
She sure does.
I post in little (married people) font, so my wife will have (hopefully!) trouble reading my post :mrgreen:

rds_correia 01-24-2004 01:56 PM

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incredible 01-24-2004 09:55 PM

@ Nick

Uops! I thought you're from Liverpool but I was confused as it seems ;-)

So WHAT DO you want to deinterlace????

Your PVR 250 capts? What movie you want to interlace? A captured blockbuster or Stationtrailers or documentations etc.etc.etc?

nicksteel 01-25-2004 06:21 AM

PVR250 movie capture. I am now using:

decomb510.dll
Telecide(order=1,guide=1,post=2,vthresh=25)
decimate()

Just wanted to know if this is the latest and best for captures.

And another question:

In other posts, you mention that this kind of movie can use forcefilm in DVD2AVI. In the case of TV captures, I edit in VirtualDub and save trim statements and wav file. Would these be in synch with a forcefilm D2V from DVD2AVI?

incredible 01-25-2004 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicksteel
PVR250 movie capture. I am now using:

decomb510.dll
Telecide(order=1,guide=1,post=2,vthresh=25)
decimate()

Just wanted to know if this is the latest and best for captures.

Well Telecide() is the perfect one for Telecined Movies which where original shot on Film.

In regular (and so it should be), the station takes a 23.976 Movie, performs a Field(or phase) shift which gives that interlaced "look" (to explain in esay words) and they do perform a Pulldown by adding frames (blending technology) so they get a broadcastable 29.976 TELECINED material.
And exactly that do the decomb commands in case of regular and right telecined material:

Telecide() # restores to the orig "FRAMES" by doing a reverse field shift, which does NOT mean that it just deinterlaces in a way usually done by i.e. Fielddeinterlace(), cause fielddeinterlace doesnt "restore" it blends or interpolates between fields. And thats why we don't just use Telecide() on really interlaced material, even if it gots parameters to ged rid of interlaced artifacts which have been left after a reverse field shift. Because there are many tricky ways how orig framerates are converted to 29.976,

Get a Capture from maybe same disney donald duck movies and do a step by step preview in Vdub. You will see that there WON'T be a coninously frame by frame movement even if the pulldown is reversed by Decimate() to 23.976!
Most cartoons do have doubled fields in not heavy motion areas.
So a step by step preview will look like that only every SECOND frame happens a movement, cause on cartoons our eyes won't recognise that.
Ok, on new computerbased cartoons a real framerate of 23.976 can be generated incl. motion blur but do you really think those old-school cartoonmakers did make 24 pics for one second? ;-)
And thats i.e. where a post=true of Telecide() attacks those commbings which have been left after reverse fhield shifting,


Quote:

And another question:

In other posts, you mention that this kind of movie can use forcefilm in DVD2AVI. In the case of TV captures, I edit in VirtualDub and save trim statements and wav file. Would these be in synch with a forcefilm D2V from DVD2AVI?

Well it really depends on the movie and WHATS his origin!

As you explained your workout (which I didn't understand by language that correct now) just try it.

But I don't know why you're still using just Vdub in case of dealing with avisynth afterwards??

Just do write your import script using FitCD, and open that avs in
VirtualDubMOD!, then goto "tool" and script editor.
Now you can see your avs where that stream bases on and you can directly do your changes and after hitting F5 you get a 1:1 preview. NICE!
And another Bonbon is, that you dont need anymore that vcf2avs!
Go in that script editor window under "edit" and choose "import framesets as trims" after you did cut your movie using the known way of VdubMod before.
Pong!: The correct Trim() commands will be added (cuts taken from VdubMods cut settings you did). Hit again F5 to update the frameserver and After that go into the regular VdubMod window and choose in "edit" .."reset frame subsets". Voilá now you have the correct trimmed movie and right trimmed via your avs file.

Now you can go under Streams and Streamlist in VdubMod and save your audiopart as uncompressed wav :arrow: ready


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