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Prodater64 06-28-2004 12:50 PM

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You are looking for 2 boxes near Source Yellow folder pic, below mpeg resizing. If you can't modify it, load any valid source, then you can change it with your required values. Once maked it, press de arrow down icon. Upper values will be copied to film pixel boxes, and calcs will can be maked. (excuseme for my bad english, I hope you could understand)


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incredible 06-28-2004 01:17 PM

And dont set crop round to 16 as this could result in AR errors OR cutting too much from the source. Set it to 2 or 4.

If you have to use mod16 filters and your source is NOT Mod16 like some mpeg4's (and no GripCrop is used) I would use
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Import
Addingborders (at down and right)
Mod16Filtering
Crop back to orig state
Bicubicresize(and here the parameters out of moviestacker)
Addborders.

Sounds complicated BUT the result will contain defenitely a better effective picture area AND even maybe less AR error.

kwag 06-28-2004 01:20 PM

And check "Anamorphic" on source, which is usually the case.

-kwag

KYUSS 06-28-2004 02:40 PM

i can't believe you are still trying to do this!

i thought you would have succeeded by now or given up.

1. rip mpg's from cdrs (iso buster or vcdgear)

2. demux video from audio (TMPGEnc.)

3. convert each video seperately to KVCD (CQmatic + TMPGEnc)

4. Mux video and audio back together (TMPGEnc)

5. Author onto 1 cd using VCDeasy or Nero.



thats it!!!!!!!!!

no need to re-encode audio.

whats the problem?

Prodater64 06-28-2004 03:13 PM

@KIUSS: We are just answering all WOWIEGURL questions, one step one.


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WOWIEGURL 06-28-2004 03:49 PM

THanks for the advice guys

Quote:

Originally Posted by KYUSS
i can't believe you are still trying to do this!

i thought you would have succeeded by now or given up.

1. rip mpg's from cdrs (iso buster or vcdgear)

2. demux video from audio (TMPGEnc.)

3. convert each video seperately to KVCD (CQmatic + TMPGEnc)

4. Mux video and audio back together (TMPGEnc)

5. Author onto 1 cd using VCDeasy or Nero.



thats it!!!!!!!!!

no need to re-encode audio.

whats the problem?

I have tried this, but when I load one half of the movie into cqmatic and get tmpgenc working. the cq drops to min of 2 & max of 60. I don't know how to fix it.

kev23m 06-29-2004 01:39 AM

Ok this is how i do it.

in the script i make these changes

Directshowsource("cd1.mpg") ( remove kill audio and it does the audio)
For a single cd encode i generally keep the audio at 112kbps.

For Multiple Files
Directshowsource("cd1.mpg") + Directshowsource("cd2.mpg")

I use the kill audio for prediction and remove it after that.

Rest of the script being the same , i have no problems whatsoever.

WOWIEGURL 06-29-2004 03:36 AM

I used the same script in this post, but I don't understand why the 2nd half of the movie doesn't show up in the preview screen when it encodes. If I let it finish then the end product, the 1st half has the video and the 2nd half is just black.

Dialhot 06-29-2004 03:41 AM

Because you are doing an error somewhere. Or you source is corrupted !
A lot of Dled source on the net are splitted in 2 parts with a simple "file cutter" and the second part hasn't any header. You can read them but taht gives problems for encoding.

Do you have this with all your sources or only some of them ?

Note: I'm quite sure that you MUST use the kill audio if your mpeg has 2 audio stream because avisynth won't deal with that correctly.

WOWIEGURL 06-29-2004 05:04 AM

I didn't dl it off the internet, I bought it off the internet. I'm thinking that the problem has to do with the 1 video stream in cqmatic. I've now changed it to 2. But as I combining 2 mpgs would the audio stream be 2 as well or stay as 1? Each mpg only has 1 audio stream.

Kev23m - when you encode 2 mpgs into 1 file what is your cq? my cq is as low as 15. When I back up DVDs the cq is usually around 70 - 80 - 89. This is great looking on the standalone. I'm worried that if my cq is so low for 2 mpg files it would turn out terrible on the standalone.

Dialhot 06-29-2004 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOWIEGURL
I didn't dl it off the internet, I bought it off the internet. I'm thinking that the problem has to do with the 1 video stream in cqmatic.

!!!

NO ! You have to set the number of stream on ONE and put in the minutes the TOTAL minutes of the two sources !
I didn't remember you used CQMatic and the error is surely there : if the number of minutes given to CQMatic is wrong, the tool does not work correctly.

Quote:

my cq is as low as 15.
The CQ never depend on the source format.

Quote:

I'm worried that if my cq is so low for 2 mpg files it would turn out terrible on the standalone.
It seems that is simply a bad usage of CQMatic.

WOWIEGURL 06-29-2004 05:42 AM

file 1 is 47.14 mins long. The 2nd is 45.0 mins long. So I put 92 in the min & 14 in the seconds box (CALCUMATIC). I leave the audio is 128 bitrate I leave the video as 1 correct? Then in CQMATIC I round off the mins to 93. Then I paster avg bitrate of 1056.2 in the CQMATIC. PREDICTION 3 X & click execute. IS there anything wrong?

Dialhot 06-29-2004 06:20 AM

No error in the process with CQMatic/Calcumatic.
Can you please copy/paste your EXACT script. Because I suspect an error in it.

kev23m 06-29-2004 06:58 AM

Yeah I generally do 150 min movies so use the ulbr template and get a cq of around 70. If its a 2 hr film then i increase the max bitrate.

Though i do my predictions manually. There is an error somewhere so as Dialhot says post the text based project file and the script you are using.

WOWIEGURL 06-29-2004 07:10 AM

a=DirectShowSource("E:\movie1.mpg").killaudio()
b=DirectShowSource("E:\movie2.mpg").killaudio()
a++b
ConvertToYV12()
BlindPP(cpu=4)
Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max =3,variance=0.1,seed=1)
Convolution3D(1, 6, 12, 6, 8, 2.8, 0)
GripCrop(352, 240, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="LanczosResize")
Undot()
TemporalSoften(2,7,7,3,2)
DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0)
#Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_ma x=10,variance=0.3,seed=5623)
GripBorders()


*sigh* - the 2nd half has gone black again....

IS there anyway of encoding 1 mpg1 file using an avs script? what would you change in the current scripts?

Dialhot 06-29-2004 10:26 AM

Thats is not your exact script, that is the script I posted !
Or you renamed the movies "move1.mpg" and "movie2.mpg" ?
Else please POST THE EXACT SCRIPT !

BTW, can you please OPEN your script into tmpenc, go into the preview and drag the cursor till the end. Is the end correctly displayed ? What is the time and number of the last frame ?

WOWIEGURL 06-29-2004 05:11 PM

I renamed the movie. The time is 1.32.14. if the resolution is already 352*288 what should I change it to? If I use moviestacker it is the same result. I make the resolution to vcd standard.

Dialhot 06-29-2004 05:47 PM

You answer to only half of the question : does the preview of tmpgenc display the correct picture for the second half or does it not ?

Second: you start from a PAL source and turn it into NTSC resolution without any line to convert the framerate :?: :?: :?:


Okay we will just stop there, that's enought for me. You are doing something wrong, and we never find what it is this way. Open tmpgenc, go in file menu, mpeg tool, merge & cut, add movie1.mpg, add movie2.mpg, choose a name for the destination, set the mux format to VCD and press go.
You will have a merged mpg1 issued from the 2 parts and you won't have any troubles.

The end :-)

WOWIEGURL 06-30-2004 04:39 AM

okay what resolution should I change it to since my original format was already 352*288? I just chose 352*240 since you said you shouldn't have the target resolution the same as the original file. TMPGENC shows the 2nd half fine. muxing it that way will make it a 900mb file

Dialhot 06-30-2004 04:46 AM

No, the size won't change and you will still have to reencode it into KVCD. But you will have a single mpeg to convert as it seems that you do not manage to handle the movie when it is in two parts.

Second I never said something like this about resolution.

Third : which resolution ? The one you want but if you convert a PAL to a NTSC you have to change also the framerate ! And that is a totally different work.

Fourth (and last) : you argue to have buy these VCD and they aren't even in your area standard ? Or you don't know if you are in PAL or NTSC country and really do things without understanding the slightest detail ?

I won't add any words on that thread; It's really starting to bore me so I prefer to stop. You have ALL the informations needed there and anyone following them manage to do the job. So keep your VCD as they are, that's better after all.

WOWIEGURL 06-30-2004 05:25 AM

my standalone can handle pal and ntsc so it doesn't matter what I change the resolution to. Wait I only know how to encode avis. I don't know what to change the source to. like Avi is AVISOURCE and 2 mpgs is a=DirectShowSource b=DirectShowSource a++b but what about 1 mpg1? DirectShowSOurce on its own?

incredible 06-30-2004 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOWIEGURL
my standalone can handle pal and ntsc so it doesn't matter what I change the resolution to.

For SHURE not :!:

And Ill tell you why:
If you would be more knowledged it would makes sense saying that, as by this you would know what youre doing.
But actually you run through the walls, not the slightest intention to get a bit more knowledge (sorry but true) by searching around in here or other mpeg1/2 areas. You should first get things under control BEFORE saying "doesnt matter..." ;-)
Its not a way to get knowledge by starting things at point 5 or whatever. AND even someone explains you things, you dont use them later?! Why?

THIS POST IS NOT AN OFFENSE! BUT try to put yourself into a moderators mind, so YOU CAN imagine whats needed on informations to help you deeply.

jorel 06-30-2004 06:29 AM

déja vú...... :roll: and 6 times the same! (hey Phil, it's wroten right?)

WOWIEGURL 06-30-2004 06:29 AM

my apologies incredible - I do try thats why I use the old posts here and use the script here for 2 vcd into 1 kvcd. I'm more used to doing DVD backups than merging and compressing 2 files into 1. OKAY!!! In TMPGENC when I open the avs in the preview screen after I have loaded the avs file, the 2nd half of the file shows up with no problems. I'd like to keep it as PAL resolution. What should I do next?

incredible 06-30-2004 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOWIEGURL
...... the 2nd half of the file shows up with no problems. I'd like to keep it as PAL resolution. What should I do next?

You should do READ Phils posts!

Quote:

Originally Posted by DialHot
Open tmpgenc, go in file menu, mpeg tool, merge & cut, add movie1.mpg, add movie2.mpg, choose a name for the destination, set the mux format to VCD and press go.
You will have a merged mpg1 issued from the 2 parts and you won't have any troubles.

Cause IF you would do that described way above you woudn't still deal with 2 parts.

Thats what I meant above, ... someone like Phil takes his time for explanations and it seems you dont even follow them ??

jorel 06-30-2004 06:56 AM

déja vú.....7 times!
ink,
do you know the Frank Zappa's music called:
"the torture never stops" :?: :grrr: :rotf:

incredible 06-30-2004 06:58 AM

Sarcasm/on

Isnt there also a song called "Road to nowhere" ??? :lol:

Sarcasm/off

WOWIEGURL 06-30-2004 07:14 AM

I did as Phil said and muxed it as standard VCD. THen I ended with a file that is about 908mbs. I don't know what to do next.

kev23m 06-30-2004 07:42 AM

No one asked you to mux it but merge it .
In Tmpgenc > Mpeg Tools . Goto Merge/Cut
Add in order both the parts and select Mpeg1 Vcd and merge , so you will have one file to encode to kvcd.

incredible 06-30-2004 07:43 AM

LAST PROBLEMS YOU GOT WHEN ENTERING YOUR LAST SCRIPT USING 2 PARTS OF THE MOVIE!
NOW WHEN YOU GOT ONE PART (merged NOT muxed!!!!!!!!!!!) .... wouldnt it be nice ... (just for fun) to try IF now your problem could be solved when doing the way via dirctshowsource as expalined BUT using this ONE PIECE OF MPEG .... to me this would be some kind of logic reaction?!

(I do scream cause I want you to HEAR me).

Related to merging that was clear spoken out already:
Quote:

Originally Posted by DialHot
go in file menu, mpeg tool, merge & cut, add movie1.mpg, add movie2.mpg


WOWIEGURL 06-30-2004 07:47 AM

I meant MERGe not mux.. I merged the 2 halves of the movie into 1 movie. DO I just change the source to DirectShowSource in the 1st part of the script?

kev23m 06-30-2004 07:53 AM

This would be the script now

DirectShowSource("E:\movie.mpg").killaudio()
ConvertToYV12()
BlindPP(cpu=4)
Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max =3,variance=0.1,seed=1)
Convolution3D(1, 6, 12, 6, 8, 2.8, 0)
GripCrop(352, 288, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="LanczosResize")
Undot()
TemporalSoften(2,7,7,3,2)
DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0)
#Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_ma x=10,variance=0.3,seed=5623)
GripBorders()

Dialhot 06-30-2004 07:54 AM

So now just go with a regular script using just one single line "directshowsource" insteed of the line "avisource".
What Inc wanted to tell you is : do we have really to take you by the hand step by step all the way long ?

We can also do the KVCd for you ans send the CD by postmail, you want ?

WOWIEGURL 06-30-2004 07:56 AM

Ta !!! I'll try and encode now. Tell you the result tomorrow.

WOWIEGURL 07-03-2004 10:14 AM

No need to be that nasty. But I think I won't post after I have had a long day at work. Seems to be affecting my ability of reading off the computer screen. Merging the file using the function in TMPGENC works, but what I don't understand is that when I use preview and scroll to the end, the timer at the top states the whole movies (part a + part b) duration, but the video is only showing the 1st half. I used the script posted earlier in this topic. What could I have done wrong?

Dialhot 07-03-2004 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOWIEGURL
I use preview and scroll to the end, the timer at the top states the whole movies (part a + part b) duration, but the video is only showing the 1st half.

EIGHTEEN POSTS before this one, this isd what I asked to you :
Quote:

You answer to only half of the question : does the preview of tmpgenc display the correct picture for the second half or does it not ?
Eighteen... 10 + 8 :!: You really like to make us all lose our time :!:

Your source is crap. Period.

WOWIEGURL 07-03-2004 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialbot
Your source is crap. Period.

So nothing can be done to fix it?

Dialhot 07-03-2004 10:41 AM

No.

WOWIEGURL 07-10-2004 08:46 AM

I'm backing up another 2 VCD to 1 KVCD using the script for joining 2 mpgs and it worked. The end result is I have a video that contains exactly what the 2 files have. But the playback of the video is slower. Its so slow movements become blurry. My source file is 25fps. 352*288. What can I do to get it back to normat speed?

Dialhot 07-10-2004 09:55 AM

And how is your target ?


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