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after log in and log out 2 times to repeat the main page i can write that it is...

A WONDERFULL IDEA :!:
8)

to enter in one ADVANCED FORUM, you have to LOGIN first!

:ole:
testing again....(log out and back to edit)

edited:...yeah.... :flip: "disclaimer" and "who is online" before login!

:arrow: IS an WONDERFULL idea !!!
my congrats, cos a simple solution protect the forum and with a big advice
BEFORE anyone login showing that you take care of this precious place!!!!
:officer:
and to login you need to be a MEMBER!!! :tup:
:hopline:
i love that solution!!!
:mrgreen:

Thanks Jorge :D
That's EXACTLY the idea :!:
People HAVE to read the disclaimer, and then, only after registering, they can post :cool:
I hope this helps clean up the forum a little, specially from all the "leechers" who never log in ;)
This also helps increase the number of registered users :!:

-Karl

i lost some detail.
in this moment:
In total there are 44 users online :: 17 Registered, 3 Hidden and 24 Guests

how can we have 24 Guests if now only after login we enter in the forum?
:?
what i loose?

That's how many users are hitting the page, search engines, etc., and anything that stops by kvcd.net/forum :)
All they can see is the same thing you see when you're not logged in.
Also, the "persistence" of the forum is 15 minutes, so if any unique IP address hits the site, it will count as one guest user, and stay there, even if the user leaves the site.

-Karl

And 139 new registered users, and counting, just today :mrgreen:
I guess the trick DOES work :lol:

Hya,
God bless you two guys :lol:
Great idea guys this will most certainly improove the forum.
You know what? I think we'll have to "work" even harder now that we have 139 newbies to take care of :lol:
Cheers

232 and counting 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O
Maybe I should start a "Toll charge" or "Pay One-Time, lifetime fee of $1.00" for new registrations. :roll:
Seriously :!:
Maybe that's the way I could make some extra income, for site maintenance, etc :idea:
Hell, with just the users registered today, I could have taken my wife for a great dinner, movie, and even have some fun at a casino :mrgreen:

-Karl

:idea:

maybe $2.00 for new registrations and take Correia and me to the cassino, movie and for dinner too!

:roll:
8O Seriously too :!: :lol:

:lol: :lol:

Better yet, after a week or so of registrations, I'll be able to buy a ticket to Brazil :D

-kwag

:eyebrows: :ideasmiley:
...wait one more week with and buy a ticket for Correia too!
then will came you, Mercy and Correia to Brasil together! 8)

Guys, calm down :lol:
This is no Steven Spielberg movie is it :?: :lol:
Seriously: charging new user registrations to the forum wouldn't be fair IMHO.
Even because there would be no way for people to know what's inside before registering, would it?
I don't buy anything without knowing it's specs 1st.
But, bottom line, that would be Karl's personal decision.
Anyway within a month, we would have money to organize that 1st anual KVCD meeting at PR or Brasil such as I proposed in the "anything not related to video" forum sometime ago.
I can already picture it (me Spielberg now): great sun, beautifull beach, gorgeous women, a great barbecue and lot's of caipirinha and ice cold beer :!:
Ah, those were the days... :lol:
Cheers

yes, i send pm to Karl about the people that still don't know about kvcd and the forum.....how can they will came inside the forum to know and understand what we're doing !?!?!....he found a solution and will post later! :wink:

and you're not alone Spielberg, you have a friend in special FX called
"Jorge Loucos"! :lol:

Let's see.
Don't get me wrong but I have a bad feeling on this one :(
If it's a fair one to new users and if we don't loose popularity because of it...
The only upside I've think of is that it will keep newbies away for sometime.
That should mean more Advanced video convertion talking instead of the old newbie 20 post on "how to make a kvcd in 10 minutes".

This is the best one I've heard the whole week :arrow: Steven Spielberg and Jorge Loucos :rotf:

Hi Rui,

There are ways that users will see what's available, and what's going on in the forum.
For example, I'll probably integrate a "real-time ticker" script/viewer, of active topics in the forum, and a full screenshot of what the forum looks like, so new users can see what to expect.
This will clearly clean up the forum, and as a matter of fact, it will force people that really want to learn and participate in KVCD forums.
Leechers will be gone forever, and this is a good thing.
As an example, look at labdv.com forums http://www.labdv.com/ , where they charge 24 dollars for 9 months :!:
And the topics there are pretty generic, and it's not a specialized forum, like kvcd.net
And they already have 8000+ registered VIP users.
So we are looking now at a one time subscription of around $2.49.
This is dirt cheap, and being "one time", it's very attractive for new users :)
I'm already working on it ;)
This will also keep KVCD.Net free of any future advertizing banners, which was already on schedule.
We were going to do a single top banner on each forum page, but I rather keep it clean of that.
That's one of the things I will write on the description, and the $2.49 fee is really a subscription/donation to help maintain the forum.
I feel this is a good business model, as many people (myself included) hate banners on forums.
They distract :!:

-Karl

Hi Karl,
That's one thing I forgot to mention in my last post.
That is, the forum maintenance fees.
If that's the problem, you're right :!:
I hate it, I hate it and I hate it :arrow: commercial banners :!:
I will pay my subscription and my wife's just to save us from that :lol:
Just tell me how and I'll tell you when ;-)
Just tell me you'll accept something different than VISA card.
I don't own any :oops:
Cheers pal

Hi Rui,

You, and all the current registered users don't have to pay a dime ;)
It's only for new users :)
The beauty of this, is that I can go back, after I turn on this mechanism, and delete ALL users that have never posted (and others that use the forum for PM'ing only), and if they want to come back, they will have to register.
I'm currently working (actually my wife!) on the new Kagi and PayPal accounts, as we speak ;)

-Karl

And it just happened ;)
http://www.kvcd.net/portal/articles.php?lng=en&pg=378

-Karl

All users that are now registering, starting after username ophil (4490 on page 96 of members), are either valid (pending) users, or bogus registrations :!:

The way it works, is that when they register, they no longer get an activation E-Mail. We have to activate them manually, after we receive the PayPal confirmation.
So probably the 100+ users per day that are registering every day, are either bogus, or some user who doesn't have anything to do, and is just registering wildcard names.
It doesn't do any harm to us, because the only way for a new user to be able to see the forum and post, is if he/she is activated.
I'm sure this will bring a LOT of peace to KVCD.Net, and we won't see the disasters that are being experienced on "other" forums, as this now brings a new level of control to this site.

What I will now do is just look at the forum database, and "purge" new registered users one week back, on a daily basis (like a sliding window timeline) so the phoney users registering will be deleted daily.

-Karl

Hi,

And why not using a 'read-only' free membership?
Because new people have to pay for something they don't know (they can't even see what they will buy). This way, you kick off leecher (by registring) and you control 'newbies'.

The only problem I see, making people pay to enter kvcd.net forum, is that after that, you can't tell them that this forum is reserved for Advanced video conversion, and don't answer their questions... They will feel the right (by paying) to ask everything...

Don't know what others thinks, but I'd prefer a free read only user...

Salu2
Fabrice

EDIT: Other problem I see is paying the fees. In Europe, we still have problem using US paying servers...

EDIT 2: you can't see Registration instruction, because of a 'This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.' message...

Hi fabrice,

I understand your point, but letting the forum "Read Only" leaves about 70% "leechers" reading and sucking information from us, without ever posting.
For example, the labDV forums claim to have over 8,000 VIP registered users, and hundreds of "on-line" users. But when you browse their forum, you see only a handfull of users logged in.
On vcdhelp.com, they claim (and post!) HUNDREDS on user names on their donation page, which I find very doubtful, because KVCD.Net in over two years, hasn't even reached 5 donators :!:
So we studied the current state of sites, most are making money with advertizing banners and pop-ups.
So we decided to do this "dirt-cheap", because I consider $2.49 peanuts.
Hell, it costs more to go to a video store and rent one DVD :lol:
So I will put more information on the disclaimer and links, such as this that I just mentioned, that this forum will be kept clean of advertizing, as we consider the $2.49 like a small donation to keep the site running and cover maintenance expenses.
As for other currencies, any new user that clicks on the PayPal button, can actually choose to pay in different forms. Here's a copy&paste from PayPal:

"What if I don't have this currency?

PayPal lets you send money in any of the currencies we offer (U.S. Dollars, Canadian Dollars, Euros, Pounds Sterling, or Yen) without having to open a currency balance."

-kwag

Sure you can :)
Log off, and look at the link on the disclaimer ;)

Edit: You don't need to log off :!:

-Karl

Hi,

I was just using the top link... "Registration Instructions and Forum Disclaimer"

Salu2
Fabrice

EDIT: now, without logging in, we can see categories?

Yes, I made that change last night :)
But if a user is not registered, they can't read the forum. Only "view" the topics ;)

-Karl

i see lots of new members in portuguese forum and in the whole forum.

n ew membewrs means........$$$$

with your cool idea to pay to be a member and my greed
...we will rich! :bugeyes:
:encore:
:ole:


Karl...we're growing RICH? :lol:
:drunkard: :drink:

:rotf:

Hi Jorge,

Actually, there have been two valid new (paying) registered today, but I had to shut down the automatic registrations, because apparently, many new users "think" they could go by just by registering.
Now they are forced to go to the PayPal registration page.
Im curently doing some automation in the site, to make things easier, and in a while, I'll be redirecting every user that clicks on the "Register" button, over to the PayPal page on the portal.
That will make them read it, because there's no other way around it :)
So now I have to go back and clean up about 500 "phoney" registrations, because they never got an activation link. The way it works now is that we have to manually activate accounts.
This brings a new level of control to KVCD.Net ;)

-Karl

@ Karl

But the "dark" side of that pay-registrations is that many Knowledged users like peter cheat for example wont participate on "deep" topics based on their own tools :(
Or Scharfis_Brain (ok, he IS already registered) ... when I inivited him to clear up something about deinterlacing in that issue from Muaddib ... assume if he wouldnt have been already registered ... and he is a valuable "giving" character ;-)

... my two cents

Another question ... did you keep all already registered users still for free?
(sorry maybe I didnt catch that)

Hi Inc,

All actual users don't need to register :D
Only the new registrations since I turned on this new scheme.
So you and all current users don't have to worry.
Hell, your contributions in knowledge are already worth more than $2.49 :lol:

Last night I deleted about 1,000 users from the database 8O
These were ALL users with "zero" post count (leechers), so the forum is now much cleaner.
I also disabled (keeping their accounts and posts) our friends ssh, wilbert, r6d2 and similar users who came here mostly to leech and "bitch", so now they have to pay if they want to turn on their account again ;)
I still have about another 300 users to delete, with zero post counts, dating back to 2002, 2003.
BTW, the total count of new registrations in less than 48 hours is now 12 users ;)

-Karl

you're striked.
how can you forget the "lovely" neuron2 :?:
:rotf:

I was going to, but I found he has a link to us here: http://www.neuron2.net/avediting.html :cool:
Maybe he forgot to strike us :mrgreen:

-Karl

hmm :roll:
Are you sure about wilbert and r6d2?
I never came across a bad post from them, at least that I can recall :roll:
But then again, maybe you did.
Cheers

if you excuse me i agree.that guys are always helping me and Wilbert build a colormatrix filter with extreme atention after i post problems in d9 using avisynth! :wink:
but it's only my opinion...they traet me very well and are good friends.

Via PM, yes I did. Remember the "Sources Please" thread :?:
Remember when people had to PM me to get the binary :?:
Well, look at the kind of PM I got back then from wilbert:
"Ok, understood. In that case, I would like to receive MovieStacker 2.1.0 (including it complete source) for personal use."


Yeah right :lol:

And from DDog:
""Trust me. It won't tear down". Trust me, it already has been and you just don't know it yet. How could anybody ever trust you again after this? You are already considered a pariah and I have a feeling you will start to feel the repercussions very soon. You have attempted to suborn the worldwide GPL license for your own needs."

Too many more worse than that, saved on my PMs, but you get the picure ;)

-Karl

I wouldn't delete Wilbert's and r6d2's registration either. Both of them behave in a very civilized manner and in my opinion don't bitch.

I don't see a problem with Wilbert's request.

Well, I was talking about posts, not PMs ;-)
Anyway, "you're the Doc, Doc" :lol:

His post was mostly a sarcastic request, just like most of r6d2's posts.

-Karl

I didn't delete them, because that would show all their posts as "Guest".
I just deleted their password/E-Mail, so if they really want to share constructive information, they will have to go to PayPal, and then they can log in again. ;)
Their accounts are still active, but they just can't log in.

-kwag

I also have to say that I didnt see in r6d2 and wilbert any "deep" bad thoughts. There was once a problem when Wilbert overreacted by posting that shh Moviestacker issue at the kvcd.net main portal.
R6d2 behaved IMHO not that bad, and we also have to keep in mind that in here the "fight" is also kept alive! So why?

Im also Mod at forum.gleitz.info (german doom9) and there are NO bad words or whatever about kvcd. Shh and Wilbert are also active there.

These people maybe behaved not in a manner KVCD like it, but the things are calmed down now, IMHO.

Remember that Time when MVCD was painted black at the wall, many peoples do see now that the things totally changed (as the community now is without Mole himself! *lol ) ...

I did read many posts about that Moviestacker issue, but Wilbert and Shh maybe did have their clear thoughts but they never behaved that bad like that NEO-NEKO who relly pushed things up to the limit - that one really deserves to be kicked out! ;-)

I think its in our hands if already registered users will do keep going on with a bad behaviour - they would be kicked out - as in the past that also was passible.

I think the most importand point of view is:
Many many members of the KVCD community (including me) are also looking and learning things at doom9 ... and they also didn't kick out very present (or even mods) members at KVCD out of their community!

Resumeé: Lets stay above such things in the past - so we dont force the heat, thats a souveraign method and will give personal values for ourselfes - just a little "IMHO".

Which Community was it, who started thinking and practising that prediction 1pass method, which community was it, where the first mega deep testings and developings related to paramters for mencoder where done? It was KVCD .... and many people do know that, ... not only members from kvcd.

:)

100% support from here. No need to stir things up now that they are settled.

I'm a respected member both here and at D9 and have never had any problems with people over there. In fact, as the GPL issue was very hot, Wilbert asked me via PM very politely whether we (the mods here) had discussed the issue. We didn't have this mod forum at that time so that wasn't possible.

for you ink.....
this means that you have an :encore: open mind!

wonderfull guy! :drunkard: