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jorel 04-07-2004 09:17 AM

Dialhot and fast answer
 
Phil,

i need a faster and precise answer:

why someone download movies from internet ?

kwag 04-07-2004 09:35 AM

Because:

(1) They are lazy (vagos).
(2) They don't know how to encode video.
(3) They don't care about quality (or have poor eye sight) (ciegos!).
(4) They have a miniature 5" TV set.
(5) They have fast internet access, and can "suck" (maman, chupan) all they want :lol:
(6) They don't know what KVCD is :!:
(7) Add more here ......... :mrgreen:

-kwag

rendalunit 04-07-2004 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
(3) They don't care about quality (or have poor eye sight) (ciegos!).

or maybe just "poor" :P

Dialhot 04-07-2004 02:12 PM

Actually having a computer + a hight speed network link does not enter in my definition of beeing "poor".

When my sister came into my fridge to find some food for my 2 nephews, you can trust me, she didn't dled movies in the meantime.

jorel 04-07-2004 02:33 PM

Phil, friendal... :secret:

like Kwag posted:
" (7) Add more here ......... "

i'm sure that .... who download the movies don't own the originals!
:lol: :roll:

8) ...or... :dark: :?:
right or wrong?

kwag 04-07-2004 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
Actually having a computer + a hight speed network link does not enter in my definition of beeing "poor".

Well, depends :!:
Cable modem in the states is now ~49.00 per month for 3Mbps 8O
So that's cheaper than buying ~3 DVDs.
So yes, for some people with that speed (for that price), they actually can suck bandwidth from the net, downloading all kinds of stuff.
Here in P.R., with the damn monopoly of the phone company, ADSL costs $60.00 for 256Kbps Downlink/128Kbps Upload :x

-kwag

bigggt 04-07-2004 05:53 PM

9) No dvd rom

jorel 04-07-2004 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigggt
9) No dvd rom

different point of view but.....true!
8O

Dialhot 04-07-2004 06:35 PM

Even if you have the original DVD it's ILLEGAL to DL an avi version of a movie. So this "no dvd-rom" excuse is just a crap.

The movie you DL is illegaly ripped and distributed by a person commiting a fellony. And thus, you can be charged with "concealing" of illegaly obtained things.

In France, this can lead you up to 2 years in jail and 25000 $US ticket.

Any volonteer ?

bigggt 04-07-2004 07:26 PM

Quote:

Even if you have the original DVD it's ILLEGAL to DL an avi version of a movie. So this "no dvd-rom" excuse is just a crap
TRue Phil but i just wanted to add to the list,I like to participate(in this forum) whnever i can :D

Dialhot 04-07-2004 07:37 PM

:-D

You will bring oranges to people following your advice ? ;-)

jorel 04-07-2004 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigggt
Quote:

Even if you have the original DVD it's ILLEGAL to DL an avi version of a movie. So this "no dvd-rom" excuse is just a crap
TRue Phil but i just wanted to add to the list,I like to participate(in this forum) whnever i can :D

true my friend Phil!
true too my friend bigggt!
:wink:

Phil wrote:
"In France, this can lead you up to 2 years in jail and 25000 $US ticket."
true? 8O
(of course it is)

"Any volonteer ? "
:ideasmiley: .....not me!

i don't download any movie!...true!
:wink:

bigggt 04-07-2004 07:53 PM

Its not advice ,the last thing i need is people to follow anything i say :lol:

kwag 04-07-2004 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
:-D

You will bring oranges to people following your advice ? ;-)

And movies :mrgreen:

jorel 04-07-2004 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
:-D

You will bring oranges to people following your advice ? ;-)

And movies :mrgreen:

and without quality !

:lol:

Prodater64 04-07-2004 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
Even if you have the original DVD it's ILLEGAL to DL an avi version of a movie. So this "no dvd-rom" excuse is just a crap.

The movie you DL is illegaly ripped and distributed by a person commiting a fellony. And thus, you can be charged with "concealing" of illegaly obtained things.

In France, this can lead you up to 2 years in jail and 25000 $US ticket.

Any volonteer ?

1 - How about stydy or scientist reasons?
2 - How about 24 hs. deleting?
3 - How a legal DVD owner can get your DVD copy if don't know how to make it. If somebody make it for him, is a felony too?
4 - Is any DVD copy not equal than original (like we makes in here with avisynth, scripts, etc.) a legal copy?

Dialhot 04-07-2004 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prodater64
1 - How about stydy or scientist reasons?

:?: :?:
In España scientists are allowed to commit crimes if this is the subject of their studies ?

Quote:

2 - How about 24 hs. deleting?
In Spain you are allowed to rob a bank if you spent the money in less than 24h ?

Quote:

3 - How a legal DVD owner can get your DVD copy if don't know how to make it. If somebody make it for him, is a felony too?
In Spain it's a fellony to ask anyone to help you doing LEGAL things like building a house for which you have a valid authorization ?

Quote:

4 - Is any DVD copy not equal than original (like we makes in here with avisynth, scripts, etc.) a legal copy?
In Spain it's illegal to record a CD you own on a tape and never listen to the original CD ?

Do you have other questions ?

Prodater64 04-07-2004 09:13 PM

Hi Phil: Do you feel husled for my questions?
I make it without any other dark reasons, I sure you.

I can read in many websites "you can download it and keep in your pc for 24 hs...." or "all material in here is for scientis reasons..."

I don't understand why somebody can't download a copy of your own DVD. Download is for free. If i don't know how to make DVD copies, i should pay for this ones.

And "In Spain it's illegal to record a CD you own on a tape and never listen to the original CD ?" CD copied to a tape is not directly modified by owner in the sense that I think you understand. Scripting, enhaces video or makes smaller file sizes. Really I don't know if it is legal or not. Like you answer me with questions...

kwag 04-07-2004 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prodater64
I can read in many websites "you can download it and keep in your pc for 24 hs...." or "all material in here is for scientis reasons..."

That is incorrect, and it's a fallacy.
Quote:


I don't understand why somebody can't download a copy of your own DVD. Download is for free. If i don't know how to make DVD copies, i should pay for this ones.
It's illegal, because it's the law :!:
Quote:


And "In Spain it's illegal to record a CD you own on a tape and never listen to the original CD ?" CD copied to a tape is not directly modified by owner in the sense that I think you understand. Scripting, enhaces video or makes smaller file sizes. Really I don't know if it is legal or not. Like you answer me with questions...
That's a gray area.
Under the "Fair Use" law, you can make a copy for personal backup purposes.
But then, the DMCA circumvents (or tries to!) the Fair Use law :!:
But then, if you want to copy your DVD, which the DMCA says it's illegal because you're decrypting the DVD, then you can copy your DVD from the S-Video connector because that's Analog, and the DMCA doesn't apply.
But then they'll say that you broke Macrovision protection ( which is analog ), but if you use a Time Base Corrector to stabilize the video, you filter it.
So LEGALLY, you CAN copy a DVD this way, and NOBODY can say anything about it, because DMCA rules on DIGITAL content, and what you have on your S-Video cable, is analog. So, there's a little loophole, which anyone can use, and say that they copied their DVD this way, and they don't have to say that it was ripped ;)

-kwag

Prodater64 04-08-2004 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
So LEGALLY, you CAN copy a DVD this way, and NOBODY can say anything about it, because DMCA rules on DIGITAL content, and what you have on your S-Video cable, is analog. So, there's a little loophole, which anyone can use, and say that they copied their DVD this way, and they don't have to say that it was ripped ;)

-kwag

Is for this reason that capturing from tv signal is not illegal. Or it is illegall too?

jorel 04-08-2004 10:30 AM

right Prodater64 but....
the tv channel that show the movie pay for it and get more $
from audience, don't ?

kwag 04-08-2004 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prodater64
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
So LEGALLY, you CAN copy a DVD this way, and NOBODY can say anything about it, because DMCA rules on DIGITAL content, and what you have on your S-Video cable, is analog. So, there's a little loophole, which anyone can use, and say that they copied their DVD this way, and they don't have to say that it was ripped ;)

-kwag

Is for this reason that capturing from tv signal is not illegal. Or it is illegall too?

For PERSONAL purposes, it's legal to capture from TV broadcasts.

-kwag

vmesquita 04-08-2004 03:37 PM

Just to add one extra point that I have said before:

Not everything is available in DVD and many very interesting stuff is not. And some stuff is very hard to have access to, unless you download. A few examples:

1) The complete series "The Wonder Years". Here in Brazil they pass on Satellite TV but the episodes are shown out of order, they don't show all of them, plus you have to have the time to capture end encode everyday (I don't have)

2) The documentary "Brazil Beyond Citizen Kane", that a power media organization forbided in Brazil because it was about them.

3) The Original "American Life" Madonna video, which somehow made a critic to Iraq war. MTV does not show the original version anymore.

4) Some rare beatles musicals.

5) Some musicals, like the Beyonce and Santana performance in superbowl opening, aired in ABC and not anywhereelse.

6) A very rare stanley kubric movie, which was never even on VHS.

The list goes on and on. :wink:

jorel 04-08-2004 04:57 PM

it's true V :!:
the problem is the ilegal downloads ...you know what i mean!
:wink:

rds_correia 04-10-2004 01:57 PM

I would completely agree that downloading a copyrighted movie/software it's a crime.
But it's also a crime letting sites have those things for download and not doing anything as usual.
I can't understand why the authorities don't act sooner...
Even the P2P networks should never have gone so far.
NOW and only now they want to stop the world from exchanging information???
I don't understand...what were they doing until now?
Downloading???
Cheers

jorel 04-10-2004 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rds_correia
I would completely agree that downloading a copyrighted movie/software it's a crime.
But it's also a crime letting sites have those things for download and not doing anything as usual.
I can't understand why the authorities don't act sooner...
Even the P2P networks should never have gone so far.
NOW and only now they want to stop the world from exchanging information???
I don't understand...what were they doing until now?
Downloading???
Cheers

"downloadading a copyrightted movie/software it's a crime !"
yes :!:

"But it's also a crime letting sites have those things for download and not doing anything as usual."
yes :!:

"I can't understand why the authorities don't act sooner..."
me too but they will soon or later !

this are the points correia, the axis ! 8)

kvcd forum don't want and need it and this is some of the reasons, :!:

my personal fear is that "something" wrong could be found here....
that downloads scares me.
"only" this !
:wink:

BobNET 04-10-2004 05:34 PM

Downloading music (and probably other copyrighted material) is legal in Canada right now. This was confirmed in December by the Copyright Board and again in March by Justice von Finckenstein (the judgement itself doesn't seem to be online at the moment but several dozen articles can be had from Google Groups). Strangely enough, uploading copyrighted material is still as illegal as ever, since Canada's current copyright law only allows you to make copies for your own private use, not for anyone else's.

But this doesn't affect me at all... I don't think I've downloaded any illegal-in-other-countries material in quite a few months. Maybe I should be taking advantage of this legal loophole... :-D

ovg64 04-11-2004 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
Actually having a computer + a hight speed network link does not enter in my definition of beeing "poor".

Well, depends :!:
Cable modem in the states is now ~49.00 per month for 3Mbps 8O
So that's cheaper than buying ~3 DVDs.
So yes, for some people with that speed (for that price), they actually can suck bandwidth from the net, downloading all kinds of stuff.
Here in P.R., with the damn monopoly of the phone company, ADSL costs $60.00 for 256Kbps Downlink/128Kbps Upload :x

-kwag

YES KWAG, $50 bucks for 11mbps ROAD RUNNER, and $30 bucks for SBC DSL Yahoo, anyway my syster lived in Isla Verde and now she lives in Guravo 25 min away from the mess, she has Broad, my cousin in Mayaguez has Broad band, so you are just living in the run part of the Island ... hehe... :twisted: bolive me once you'll get it you wont want anything alse :D


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