DVD Decrypter is gone?
 

Hi DVDREasy,
I'm quite sure you have been up to date on the DVDDecrypter end-of-life announcement.
Even if these news still haven't been made official - who knows if it will ever be official... - and taking into account that DVDDecrypter will no longer be updated, you might be willing to consider other possibilities for DVDREasy ripping tool.
Of course this doesn't need to be done right away in terms of getting your tool up to date with the best decrypter engine out there.
As far as I know, DVDDecrypter will be the best ripping tool for many time to come.
But bear in mind that you ARE distributing DVDDecrypter in your installer and by such breaking the law.
Maybe you should take care of that right away.
And this is where my advise on making DVDREasy a simple binary with links to other tools starts to make sense ;-).
That way noone could go after you for breaking the law ;-).
Cheers Pedro :)

I agree with your Rui, in fact Lightning UK did warn people hosting or including Decrypter with downloads could become illegal and face prosecution.

I think it makes perfect sense to just reffer to needed software and pointing out to people that they will need a ripper.

Hmmm,
I get the feeling that Pedro is way ahead of me on this one.
His homepage is down...
And other homepages from the same provider are not :idea:.
Maybe he's already applying the needed counter measures.
Hope to hear from him soon :).
DVDREasy is a very fine piece of software.
It's a life saver for the newbies.
And even for those that aren't newbies anymore but that don't want to have much work doing a backup copy.
Hope this DVDDecrypter issue doesn't discorage him too.
Cheers

Re: Since Decrypter is gone...
 

Hi Rui,

DVDREasy package DOES NOT include DVDDECRYPTER. As you can see from my website :

DVDREasy uses the following FREEWARE tools (included in DVDREasy package) :

DVD2AVIDG 1.77.3 (by LOLI.J modified version 1.77.3dg by Donald A. Graft)
AVISYNTH 2.5.2 (by Ben Rudiak-Gold)
VOBSUB 2.09 (by Gabest)
SUBTOSUP 0.9 (by Huisendobler)
ECLCCE 1.81 (by RM at DOOM9.org)
HC ENCODER 0.13b (by Hank315)
MPEGinfo (by Hank315)
BBDMUX 1.9 (by Brent Beyeler)
MUXMAN 0.13h (by MPUCoder)
PULLDOWN 0.99d (by Hard Code)
MKISOFS 2.01 (by Ross)

Also, you must have :

DVD Decrypter (You can download it at the oficial site)

I think, that i'm not breaking ANY law :!:

I agree with you, DVDDECRYPTER is/was the best ripping tool available.

I have to consider modify DVDREasy to use ONE of this approaches :
1) aim DVDREasy to use other FREEWARE ripper
OR
2) DVDREasy only deals with allready ripped material. User must use WHATEVER rip tools they want . . .

Suggestions are wellcome !

Cheers,

DVDREasy

Re: Since Decrypter is gone...
 

This should be better.
Some people are using AnyDVD that allows you to read DVD directly from the driver, without to have to rip it.

And more : I tested DVDREasy twice for the same movie (one HC and one CCE encode) and I wasn't so happy to have to rip it a second time :?
(or I didn't find the way to avoid this ?)

Re: Since Decrypter is gone...
 

Hi Pedro :),
I'm so sorry buddy :oops:. Please accept my apologies.
I wasn't at home and didn't have DVDREasy installed on the company's laptop.
I know DVDREasy uses DVDDecrypter but I got carried away and didn't remember that actually it doesn't come bundled in your package.
And that's good because that way I don't think you would be breaking any laws.
For the future, and since breaking the encryption is what really counts for legal matters, it would be wise if you keep DVDREasy just as it is right now.
It can interact with the ripping tool but it doesn't bundle it.
Sorry about this.
Cheers

Re: Since Decrypter is gone...
 

This is what's stated at Nero's site:

*non copy-protected DVD-Video titles

Use something like that in your description, and you are legally clear of any issues ;)

-kwag

Re: Since Decrypter is gone...
 

Hi Rui,
you don't need to apologies, my friend :wink:

I just want to make that point clear for anyone who see this forum . . .

Cheers,

DVDREasy

Re: Since Decrypter is gone...
 

Yep,

There isn't a way to use an allready ripped movie with DVDREasy

After a little search in the net I found this

Although DVDDECRYPTER web site was closed, there are many mirrors and sites wich provides download of the last version.

I think DVDDECRYPTER will continue to be a usable tool for a while (until a new copy protection will appear, wich will take some time . . .)

So, for now, I will not change DVDREasy. I know I will have to, but there is no need to do it in rush :!:

Cheers,

DVDREasy

... and then shortly after, a new decrypter will show up, and we'll be happy again :lol:

-kwag

Karl, let's not forget that it wasn't a simple ripper.
It had a "dvd burning engine" built-in.
And one of the best out there, FWIW.
Now, what happens if they close CladDVD and some others?
That's why I'm worried.
Cheers

Come on ! When an actor dies, you still have his video to watch.
99% of the current disc are readable with latest release of DVDDecrypter. New protection do not come to life every days (we are not speaking about virus industry here :)), and even when a new one appears, few DVD use it because of the fee the majors have to pay to the patent recorder of the protection system.

So don't worry DVDDecrypter will be still abble to decode a large majority of the titles untill the DVD itself dies.

@Phil,
I'm affraid you miss the point of my post.
Now, they've done it with DVDDecrypter but they can go after all the other rippers' coders out there.
It's like putting the 1st stone to build a new house.
With the 1st one in place you see that it's not that difficult and you gain confidence to go all the way through.
And what worries me.
New technology such as HD-DVD may arrive and we might get stuck with it because noone wants to make a ripping tool for this new technology otherwise they face prossecution such as LUK.
And this is only for DVD related products...
Cheers

Even if true, you are a bit too pessimistic.
Do you have difficulty to find keygen for PC softwares recently ?
Do you find more hardly screeners for blockbusters 2 hours after they are in theaters ?
Do you see less people that do not drive upper than speed limits now there are automatic radars on the roads ?

If you fear about new technologies, don't worry, they aren't yet on the market that undergound groups already released craking tools for the protection they plan to use on HD-DVD !

Too much pessimistic :?: You're probably right :!:
At least I hope so, but only the future can tell.
Let's focus back on the present ;-).
Cheers

I'm not worried at all, because whoever starts a new decrypter project, should either put it on either AntsP2P, MUTE, or better yet, set up a forum on I2P network :!:
Have you actually tried I2P :?:
There are several forums and web sites already running, and they are all anonymous :cool:
Yes, I know it's a little slow, but it's getting better with every release (I2P, I mean)

-kwag

We're all Doooooooooomed, DoooooOOOOOOOooomed I tell ya! (Note: has to be said in a Scottish accent. :D). :lol: :lol: :lol:

Actually I think you guys are right as soon as a new protection comes out it usually isn't long before the crack becomes available, look at Macromedia's latest PC games Protection.

I think Macromedia has only stopped one outlet rippers they can't contain eveything surely??? Someone, somewhere will release a piece of software that will over-ride their protection for legimate users.

Macromedia :?:
Isn't it MacroVision :?:

:lol:

-kwag

May I remind you that gaming industry is not a good example of what has been said by others here.
There are severall copy protection mechanism especially made for games that still haven't been completely dealt with.
On 1:1 copies at least.
Of course there will always be the nocd hacks that can do the job but at the end of the day a 1:1 copy isn't really possible.
And I'm talking about copy protection with many months not to say years.
Even your best Alcohol/CloneCD can't handle it :roll:.
Same goes with Audio CDs.
Even the best rippers like EAC or CDex can't handle certain copy protection mechanisms.
But I've been convinced by you guys: let's wait and see because you never know when someone new, with plenty of new ideas, will arrive to the scene.
Cheers

Lol, yes I made a typo, im so dumb. :D

I was doing a night course recently at a college with Dreamweaver so Macromedia must be on my mind. :lol: :lol:

Of course I meant Macrovision, well... you guys know what I meant. :lol:

Mind you using Deamon Tools can sort of be classed as a 1:1 copy as if you were to burn a Alcohol or Clone image of a SD protected disc and burned that image to a CD, DT would mount a virtual drive and let you play the game.

I recently bought Sims2 University and backed that up and it plays via DT.

I don't know though if DT can play SD4 protected discs.

I agree with you on the audio their protections have yet to be overcome, the only method I know to back up your audio CD's is to record it analogue via a piece of software to your PC. :(

No it doesn't :!:
That way you can't just decide to take your games CDs to a familly summer place where you know you'll find a PC, can you?
You'll need to install DT there as well.
And that's cheating because I meant burning a 100% equal CD image onto another CD with the original copy protection.
A real 1:1 copy will always be burnt with the original copy protection in the destination CD ;-).
But I would be glad to have at least a playable 1:0.9999999 copy of several games I own.

I call that cheating, because you might as well use the "nocd" hacks out there that will do the same thing (more or less).

Try burning that CD image to a CD and make it work without DT.

Yes and no.
There are several SD4 versions. Some work, some don't.
The guys from Alcohol are also working on it but it will take a long time.

That's not a 1:1 copy isnt it :lol:.

Now, I just realised that we've been using the DVDREasy forum to discuss things that hardly have anything to do with DVDREasy.
I think it's time for me to stop posting OT, out of respect for Pedro, even because I was the 1st to go OT here.
I would call everybody else to do the same.
Plus you guys have already convinced me some posts ago that this may not be the end of an era or the dawn for dark times :lol:.
For me, Mods might even think about closing this thread ;-).
Cheers guys

DVDDecrypter is not a 1:1 copy maker so ;-)
(even in iso mode, it uncrypts the vobs :p).
Your game CD can't be copied because the copy protection uses a PHYSICAL "defect" on the disc. There is no possibility to "copy" it. That is why a no-cd patch is needed !
For instance, a very simple protection is used on PS1 : if the brand tag written on the disc in not "Sony", then the disc is known to be a copy, and it can't be read... except if you "patched'" the PS1 with a "no-cd" chipset.
The brand is in the "id tag" of the disc and this is an area that is read-only, either on a CD-R. So simple, so efficient...

@rds_correia

I think you are splitting heirs Rui and are being obstinate.

In that case you might as well say all of us that has ever made a backup of our DVD's have not made a 1:1 copy.

For starters a ripping tool rips certain parts out of the VOB and decrypts them.

Then we use either Transcoders or Encoders so hence compressing the Video and/or Audio so that it can fit on a DVDR, even a DVD9 blank hold as much data as a lot of Commercial DVD's.

So with this compression and squeezing of Data onto recordable media for me I can't consider this a 1:1 copy but a comprimise and so its not a 100% copy of the original.

As such we have to make comprimises to backup other mediums.

Also I will never forsee the day when I would take a game with me when visiting someone to play a game, if I did I would bring the original I would bring my laptop.

Hi Michael :),
I have already agreed with you all that I might be completely wrong in my judgement.
At least I hope I am.
And maybe a little obstinated but I'm simply trying to explain my point, that's all.
No we haven't. Maybe you can do it with something similar to DVDShrink but not the way we're used to do it by just keeping the MainMovie files.
I can agree with you that by taking into account just the MMF we actually do a ~1:0.9999 ;-).
True.
It isn't. It's merely a copy. Yes we do compromise a lot to keep our originals safe.
But you miss all the point.
There you can only speak for yourself. I have never done it but I was planning on doing it this summer.
My laptop sucks (Celeron 300Mhz/64MB/4GB) compared to my cousin's desktop that he keeps in his summer place (P4 3.0Ghz/512MB/72GB).
But why do you miss the point? Because we wouldn't know what to do if they took DT and Alcohol away from us as they did with DVDDecrypter.
You could always try to extract with another tool but you would have to go on using "nocd" patches on your installed games.
Not much fun right?
And let's face it: there isn't any other CD ripper as Alcohol, period.
Call CloneCD, CDRWIN, etc but they will always be miles away from AA 120%.
As there is no match for EAC in the AudioCD field.
CDex is really fine but EAC rules.
I hope I've made my point clear.
I clearly have acknowleged everybody else's point.
Please, let's put an end to this off topic, ok?
Otherwise I would kindly ask a mod to split this thread in two and taking the later posts to a new thread at the "anything not video related" part of the forum.
Cheers guys :)

No you can't ! Except if the vob are not crypted AND the DVD is a DVD-5. But in this case, any program will do the trick as the DVD can be considered as protected :)
Did you read my post about physical alteration of original CD that prevents them to be copied and makes MANDATORY a no-cd patch ?
You will never have a tool that can copy a protection based on such thing.

Almost all ripp I see are done with CCD. Few of them with AA. So you might be wrong somehow. But I don't do ripp myself so I can't tell.
I don't see why a discussion can have place only because it is not anymore the place. I'm too lazy too split the thread. And BTW I do not moderate this part of the forum :)