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samus87 01-08-2016 05:47 AM

Buy JVC Taiyo Yuden or MDISC is better?
 
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A seller in Brazil is offering me this JVC DVD media for purchase, this media is legitimate of Taiyo Yuden or not? What is the useful life expectancy in years of a DVDR disc JVC Taiyo? I buy this JVC media or MDISC is better?

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Goldwingfahrer 01-08-2016 06:27 AM

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I still have a couple of spindle TYG02 with 100 pcs.
but mine are not printable.
This TYG02 are among the best.

I would buy it

lordsmurf 01-08-2016 11:30 AM

Buy the TY.

samus87 01-08-2016 11:45 AM

What is the useful life expectancy in years of a DVDR disc JVC Taiyo? I buy this JVC media or MDISC is better?

lordsmurf 01-08-2016 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by samus87 (Post 41709)
What is the useful life expectancy in years of a DVDR disc JVC Taiyo? I buy this JVC media or MDISC is better?

We've already been over this. I'm not doing it again. My answer is unchanged from your past posts.

samus87 01-08-2016 11:54 AM

the price of TY disc is higher than the price of any other DVD disc from another brand, so I asked about the durability and resistance of DVDR TY

the Mdisc has a higher price than the TY

it is true that the dvd-r JVC Taiyo Yuden has a life span of 100 years?

dpalomaki 01-12-2016 06:37 PM

No one knows for sure. DVD media has not been around for 100 years.

Life estimates are based on accelerated aging tests involving cycles of heat and humidity, statistics, and material science assumptions about how these factors effect media life. Other factors include handling, manufacturing variances and tolerances, and other physical stresses. Add to this advertising hype.

Genuine TY has an excellent reputation for CD and DVD media. M-DISC is relatively new and most burners cannot write to the media. Also, it is more expensive and has lower burn speed ratings.. However, the few published tests of M-DISC do read good.

Since media is generally much lower cost than other production elements, you could burn a copy of important stuff on both media types for your archive as touch of insurance.

In any case, handle and store you media properly for longest live.

And, if you can still find a reader for the media, you will have an answer in 100 years or so.

samus87 01-12-2016 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dpalomaki (Post 41784)
No one knows for sure. DVD media has not been around for 100 years.

Life estimates are based on accelerated aging tests involving cycles of heat and humidity, statistics, and material science assumptions about how these factors effect media life. Other factors include handling, manufacturing variances and tolerances, and other physical stresses. Add to this advertising hype.

Genuine TY has an excellent reputation for CD and DVD media. M-DISC is relatively new and most burners cannot write to the media. Also, it is more expensive and has lower burn speed ratings.. However, the few published tests of M-DISC do read good.

Since media is generally much lower cost than other production elements, you could burn a copy of important stuff on both media types for your archive as touch of insurance.

In any case, handle and store you media properly for longest live.

And, if you can still find a reader for the media, you will have an answer in 100 years or so.

JVC TY DVD disc stored the humidity 35 ~ 64% and temperature of 30 ~ 36 degrees will have an estimated useful life of how many years?

dpalomaki 01-13-2016 06:54 AM

But too many variables to make a solid prediction, the biggest of which is how you handle them.
Consider anything beyond 30 years good fortune and anything under 10 years a disappointment.

Visit http://www.osta.org/technology/dvdqa/dvdqa11.htm.

And read some of the other pages from the left side bar links.

Since this is an international following, be sure to specify units (C or F) used with temperatures.

samus87 01-13-2016 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dpalomaki (Post 41789)
But too many variables to make a solid prediction, the biggest of which is how you handle them.
Consider anything beyond 30 years good fortune and anything under 10 years a disappointment.

Visit http://www.osta.org/technology/dvdqa/dvdqa11.htm.

And read some of the other pages from the left side bar links.

Since this is an international following, be sure to specify units (C or F) used with temperatures.

at my house the temperature is 30 C ° ~ 36 C ° and humidity 35% ~ 64% without rain, a DVD + R 16x Philips (CMC MAG M01) and DVD-R JVC Taiyo Yuden will have an estimated durability of years in these conditions ?

dpalomaki 01-13-2016 08:30 AM

Did you read the links I referenced?
Cannot be predicted with any certainty.

If you want a number from someone else of whom you do not know the credentials, for planning purposes, and assuming no abuse beyond time, temperature and humidity, at those temperatures perhaps a range of 12 to 40 years. However, individual pieces and batches of media could do better, or worse, before excessive read errors develop.

samus87 01-13-2016 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dpalomaki (Post 41792)
Did you read the links I referenced?
Cannot be predicted with any certainty.

If you want a number from someone else of whom you do not know the credentials, for planning purposes, and assuming no abuse beyond time, temperature and humidity, at those temperatures perhaps a range of 12 to 40 years. However, individual pieces and batches of media could do better, or worse, before excessive read errors develop.

I read the links yes
the link says that the DVD-R disc has a 30 year life but the temperature has to be 22 C ° and the humidity below 50%, but my storage conditions are completely different temperature is 30 C ° ~ 36 C ° and humidity 35% ~ 64% without rain and my discs are DVD + R 16x Philips (CMC MAG M01) and DVD-R JVC Taiyo Yuden therefore asks how many years of life that Philips and JVC that have these conditions
that my conditions dvd philips and dvd JVC and how many years of useful life?

dpalomaki 01-13-2016 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by samus87 (Post 41793)
I read the links yes ...

Then you have essentially the same information I have.

Do you want someone to say the TY will last 24 years 4 months and 12 days while the Philips will llast only 23 years, 3 months, and 11 days? If they said that, would you believe them?

samus87 01-13-2016 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dpalomaki (Post 41794)
Then you have essentially the same information I have.

Do you want someone to say the TY will last 24 years 4 months and 12 days while the Philips will llast only 23 years, 3 months, and 11 days? If they said that, would you believe them?

I do not know anything accurate but just want to know your opinion and knowledge of useful life expectancy of these my dvds philips CMC mag m01 and JVC in the conditions that we store as I have quoted before

lordsmurf 01-13-2016 06:09 PM

Given your location (Brazil), my educated guess is 20 years, on average, for the TY discs.
CMC is probably less than half that.

OSTA has some flaws in their methodology, so I wouldn't follow it too exactingly. Some of their info was distorted from reality.

samus87 01-13-2016 06:20 PM

I contacted email the CMC and they said the DVD + R 16x Philips (CMC MAG M01) has a useful life expectancy of 30-50 years at temperature 25 C ° below 50% moisture, true or false?? I trust you guys forum, in my condition temperature is 30 ° C ~ 36 ° C and humidity 35% ~ 64% without rain which the opinion of you life of disc?

lordsmurf 01-13-2016 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by samus87 (Post 41804)
I contacted email the CMC and they said

They're obviously biased, and not independent. Of course they'll bloat their numbers, and claim to best best ever. You basically wasted your time even emailing them. 15 years of forum user net-wide can't be wrong, and CMC is right, when it comes to their media being awful garbage.

samus87 01-13-2016 06:30 PM

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what the CMC said it's all lies? dvd + r phillips CMC mag m01 does not have a life expectancy useful between 30 ~ 50 years?

dpalomaki 01-13-2016 08:02 PM

I would not say out and out lies, just under very specific and optimal controlled conditions. But at your temperatures perhaps half their claimed life if otherwise carefully handled, likely less allowing for normal usage.

samus87 01-14-2016 06:00 AM

I wonder if the CMC Magnetics is a liar company to talk to DVD + R Phillips manufactured by CMC has a useful life expectancy of 30 ~ 50 years at 25 ° C and humidity below 50%

dpalomaki 01-14-2016 06:10 AM

Just about all manufacturers hype their products, citing best case life data. What you will experience in real life use will be different, probably substantially less.

If you are that concerned, obtain CD/DVD diagnostic software and a calibration/test-quality drive. Make two copies of every archive media (one is a back-up). Then every 6 months to a year test all your archive media for correctable read errors. When the number of errors starts to increase make a new archive copy (i.e., before the errors become uncorrectable). While not a 100& guarantee that you will not lose data 20 years from now, it is a significant step toward that goal.

I have no specific recommendations as to which software or drives to buy.

samus87 01-14-2016 06:48 AM

In the case of DVD + R 16x Philips (ID: CMC MAG M01) what is the true maximum life expectancy useful it? I do not know what dye this dvd disc uses
The CMC said it was 30 ~ 50 years under normal storage conditions, the more you said that this information is a lie

dpalomaki 01-14-2016 08:00 AM

They gave you a range of 30-50 years at 25C and 50% RH.
Your conditions are different - up to 10C warmer and fluctuation temperature humidity.
That might cut it to 12-20 years.
If your disks also are being handled. played, viewed, etc. that would cut it even more.

There is no way anyone here can predict it. So back-up and test.

If that is not a satisfactory answer, then consider visiting forums that specialize in optical media

Good day and good luck.

samus87 01-14-2016 08:09 AM

the information on the DVD disc philips 30-50 years at 25C and 50% RH to CMC gave me is true or false? is a lie of them?

what are the best optical media forums?

lordsmurf 01-15-2016 02:56 AM

The kind of info you seek isn't going to be found on any forum. Or online at all. Or offline at all. You're asking for that which does not exist. If I could see the future, I'd be rich. But I'm not.

You located the best media: Taiyo Yuden. Use it.

samus87 01-15-2016 07:44 AM

I answer only this doubt: the information on the DVD+R 16x disc philips 30~50 years at 25C and 50% RH me passed to CMC is true or false? is a lie of Them?


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