09-25-2024, 11:20 PM
|
|
Free Member
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2023
Posts: 35
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
|
Hello. I am looking to capture with a Sony Betacam SP BVW-75, and it appears that it has component outputs. Since that is of better quality than composite (and S-Video), I am wondering if anyone has a good recommendation for a capture card that uses component. I primarily use Vdub, but am open to alternatives if I have no other choice depending on capture card compatibility.
|
Someday, 12:01 PM
|
|
Ads / Sponsors
|
|
Join Date: ∞
Posts: 42
Thanks: ∞
Thanked 42 Times in 42 Posts
|
|
|
09-26-2024, 01:15 AM
|
|
Free Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 3,530
Thanked 601 Times in 552 Posts
|
|
Pretty much any capture card with component input, Betacam format is very forgiving and component is more stable than other lower quality connections such as S-Video and composite, Just shop around but avoid non brand chinese junk. What type of card you're looking for? PCIe, USB, TB?
https://www.youtube.com/@Capturing-Memories/videos
|
09-26-2024, 09:15 PM
|
|
Free Member
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2023
Posts: 35
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by latreche34
Pretty much any capture card with component input, Betacam format is very forgiving and component is more stable than other lower quality connections such as S-Video and composite, Just shop around but avoid non brand chinese junk. What type of card you're looking for? PCIe, USB, TB?
|
I'm open to anything that's gonna get the job done and doesn't make the capture look like crap. Although, I suppose a USB of sorts would probably be preferred, as I wouldn't have to install additional hardware. But, again, I am open to options.
|
09-27-2024, 12:47 AM
|
|
Free Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 3,530
Thanked 601 Times in 552 Posts
|
|
Well for starters, the BM Intensity shuttle is a good component capture card, just not good for consumer tape formats over S-Video or composite, Like I said if components is the main goal look for BM, Aja, Avermedia, Grass valley, Osprey, ATI, just to name few.
https://www.youtube.com/@Capturing-Memories/videos
|
09-29-2024, 05:37 AM
|
|
Free Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: VA
Posts: 1,740
Thanked 381 Times in 337 Posts
|
|
FWIW the BMD Intensity Pro 4K IS NOT a good capture card for NTSC component signals. The levels are way off beyond repair. It is a known problem that BMD is aware of for several years but AFIKT not fixing.
On the other hand the original (discontinued) Intensity Pro levels were OK.
If you want SDI output the BMD Analog to SDI mini converter might work, but I have not tried it with component signals.
|
09-29-2024, 09:19 AM
|
|
Free Member
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2023
Posts: 549
Thanked 77 Times in 75 Posts
|
|
I looked up the BVW-75, that's a pretty cool machine by the looks of it!
It appears NOT to use a rotary transformer to move the signals out of the spinning head which I always wondered if produced a better result - You'll see there's a post that sticks out of the top of the head and it has several brushes that pick up the video signals off of that post. Could be that is more or less standard for Betacam, but I haven't seen it too often for VHS other than in some early JVC professional machines.
Anyhow, looks like the BVW-75 already has a TBC in it (which I'm guessing is some combination of line and frame), so the BMD products should do a good job with it. The Intensity Shuttle would be going straight to USB3 or Thunderbolt, so that'll save you a device in the chain for actual capture over having the Mini Converter give you SDI. BMD products get a bad rep here mainly because they don't handle consumer formats or timebase errors well, but I don't think that applies here.
If you plan to do editing with the footage afterwords with a ProRes intermediate, you could consider something like the AJA Ki Pro which has component inputs (and even balanced audio inputs) to capture to ProRes 442 HQ directly to a hard drive. While ProRes HQ isn't lossless, it is supposed to be "visually lossless", and it's basically your whole capture PC in one small box. BMD makes hard drive and SD-card recorders as well that also accept analog component (also storing as ProRes), I just have seen a lot more parts/failed units on ebay to suggest that they might not be as reliable in the long run.
Lossless probably has an advantage over ProRes HQ if you plan to deinterlace the content before putting it into your linear editor, but I doubt you'll visually be able to tell a difference unless you are dealing with extremely rapid-motion scenes. One possible advantage of ProRes capture is that it uses 10 bit color whereas Lossless captures are typically 8 bit. If you have scenes where there are mainly solid colors that slowly change to a different color (like sunsets/sky) you can get banding of color with 8 bit whereas you won't with 10 bit. Depending on the deinterlacer, it might truncate the color space back down to 8 bit anyway which kind of removes the advantage of capturing in 10 bit.
The other (possibly) annoying thing about AJA and BMD recorders is that many record to Mac formatted drives, so you'll either need to buy/install something like Paragon HFS+ for Windows to pull the contents from the drive unless you have a Mac that you are using as the destination or intermediate device to copy the files to first.
|
10-01-2024, 09:25 PM
|
|
Free Member
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2023
Posts: 35
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by dpalomaki
FWIW the BMD Intensity Pro 4K IS NOT a good capture card for NTSC component signals. The levels are way off beyond repair. It is a known problem that BMD is aware of for several years but AFIKT not fixing.
On the other hand the original (discontinued) Intensity Pro levels were OK.
If you want SDI output the BMD Analog to SDI mini converter might work, but I have not tried it with component signals.
|
Well, I hope it still isn't great with component. Because I just sold my BMD Analog to SDI because of the god awful black frame dropouts when trying to capture composite. Would suck to learn that it's a completely different story with component.
Last edited by PizzaTime; 10-01-2024 at 09:25 PM.
Reason: Clarity
|
10-02-2024, 01:16 AM
|
|
Free Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 3,530
Thanked 601 Times in 552 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by PizzaTime
Would suck to learn that it's a completely different story with component.
|
It is, But mainly because Betacam is stable to begin with.
|
10-02-2024, 11:39 AM
|
|
Free Member
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 135
Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts
|
|
For digitizing BetaSP tapes I have used a Matrox MX01 as well some Blackmagic box. I can't remember the model, sorry. Both worked well enough for capturing Component.
|
10-02-2024, 07:43 PM
|
|
Free Member
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2023
Posts: 35
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by latreche34
it is, but mainly because betacam is stable to begin with.
|
fml..... 🫠
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:36 PM
|