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juhok 09-28-2012 08:55 AM

VHS Vs BetacamSP extravaganza
 
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I happen to got the same material recorded to VHS and also the original BetacamSP master. So how do they compare? Download and find out. :)

UTVideoCodec, converted to 4:2:0 for compatibility (Beta was sampled at 4:2:2).
http://cdn4.digitalFAQ.com/juhok/Pla...camSP_ULY0.avi

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edit: Maybe more videos later with some 'real life' material.

lordsmurf 09-28-2012 09:50 AM

Ahh, VHS --- chroma shifting (color bleeding) and high frequency noise.
What surprised me the most on this clip was the identical luma resolution. Both videos seem to have equal sharpness?

juhok 09-28-2012 10:04 AM

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I have to disagree. Luma resolution is greater in BetaSP version.

Mouseover PNG luma comparison: http://www.siluriformes.net/videohel..._GBA_Luma.html

Aside from the blurred edges of sharp contrast objects, BetaSP has some good definition of surface texture on the game console where VHS has just noise.

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lordsmurf 09-28-2012 11:07 AM

You're right. It was hard to see with the side-by-side version.
The full comparison makes it more obvious -- especially when using the forum's before/after feature.

The instructions/code for using the before/after code is here: http://www.digitalfaq.com/forum/news...er-images.html ;)

Is that banding (posterizing) in the on-screen shadow an error in the source footage? Or some other byproduct?

juhok 09-28-2012 12:04 PM

Seems like posterizing is in the source. It can just and just be seen in the VHS dub too. The backround might be generated in post - I don't know the details of the production.

robjv1 09-28-2012 05:39 PM

Fun comparison!

I suppose though that it's not that hard to believe that we used to think some VHS tapes looked good. It's funny, after I've spent a few days working on VHS sources and not watching much TV, VHS starts to look really good to me, then I turn on an HD channel and it's like stepping into Oz lol.

NJRoadfan 09-28-2012 10:13 PM

What causes that smearing on VHS anyway? (like to the right of the "Advance" text and D-pad) Its one thing that really annoys me about VHS sources and doesn't seem easy to fix.

juhok 10-06-2012 01:07 PM

That's an interesting question. How much is due to recording and how much is added at playback? Do certain types of magnetic tape "bleed" over time in storage? My *guess* is that it's mostly due to sub-optimal electronics and video heads at the recording stage. Full white with quick transtion to dark - sub-optimal gear will not change the signal levels fast enough and there's signal residual which quickly fades away along the video head path, from left to right.

admin 10-08-2012 08:47 AM

The BVP4 proc amp can cause those, on some units, on some tapes. I've seen it here. It also varies between VCRs, even on the same tape. I think it's a combination of issues both on the tape, and with the hardware. It's the frequencies and oscillations, from what I understand.

Though obnoxious, it tends to be the least harmful issue. At some point, you have to just call it good and move on to the next tape.


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